Posted September 12, 200717 yr obesity is costing the nhs a billion pounds a year, apparently, we as a nation are far more obese then any of the predicted statistics indicated. there is no excuse for it, but if people want to eat to excess then isnt that their right? but who should pick up the tab for the ill health obesity brings with it? should the government add a 'fat tax' to unhealthy foods in order to fund treating 'fatties'?...
September 12, 200717 yr should the government add a 'fat tax' to unhealthy foods in order to fund treating 'fatties'?... I think they shoudl then it would possibly encourage more people to eat healthier if they have less to pay for that food. plus if cigarrettes and stuff have taxes on them then why shouldnt other harmful things do so
September 12, 200717 yr No, it is easy to define what is cigarettes and alcohol and so on but how do you define a fatty food ? Anything that is not salad gets a tax on it ? so you tax chips and soft drinks and you tax chocolate and you tax butter and so on ? where does it end ? how do you define fatty food ? 95% of foods would end up being taxed Would damage the economy
September 12, 200717 yr No, it is easy to define what is cigarettes and alcohol and so on but how do you define a fatty food ? Anything that is not salad gets a tax on it ? so you tax chips and soft drinks and you tax chocolate and you tax butter and so on ? where does it end ? how do you define fatty food ? 95% of foods would end up being taxed Would damage the economy Junk Food is the main problem - McDonalds, BK, KFC, etc, the way they encourage people to "Supersize" or "Go Large", "XXL", and so on, that's just encouraging gluttony and obesity... I think that the Morgan Spurlock documentary "Supersize Me" put it across pretty concisely.... I would tax these Junk Food outlets to the hilt, or else ban anyone under the age of 16 going into them...
September 12, 200717 yr Author No, it is easy to define what is cigarettes and alcohol and so on but how do you define a fatty food ? Anything that is not salad gets a tax on it ? so you tax chips and soft drinks and you tax chocolate and you tax butter and so on ? where does it end ? how do you define fatty food ? 95% of foods would end up being taxed Would damage the economy i think theres enough information on foods that indicate which are the fattiest foods, the tax could be staggered in line with the ammount of saturated fats in them, or sugars. its clear that all the information on healthy food is being ignored by gluttons who inflict ill health upon themselves when maybe the money used treating them would better be spent on kids with cancer for eg.
September 12, 200717 yr I know it might be an unpopular view, but I really think it would be an idea if the NHS started charging people at least half the treatment costs in cases where the illness has been brought about by smoking/drinking/over-eating.
September 12, 200717 yr I wish the government would p/ss off and concentrate on more important stuff, i.e. Stopping Crime or Making Streets Safer. If someone wants to eat excessively, then let them. If a kid is fat, let him/her be fat. The NHS shouldn't worry over something that the person themself has to sort out on their own. Giving drugs to cancer patients, should be first priority, obesity shouldn't even be a priority.
September 12, 200717 yr It all depends on someone's metabollism though that is what causes obesity not what they eat I eat typically 3 or 4 packets of crisps a day and a large bar of Milky Bar and at least 3 cans of Coke but because of my metabollism I do not get abese, I am a relatively ok 14 and half stone even though I eat like a pig in a trough, I think that it would be unfair to fine people for having a bad metabollism rate when I am just as at much and am at risk from the same food related illnesses
September 12, 200717 yr ooooo dont even get me started on weight issues, it really get on my nerves how people have to be the 'perfect' or 'normal' weight to make people happy, whether its overweight people or size zero people.......does it really matter how much people weigh??? no it doesnt. so long as people are happy and have reasonable health then it shouldnt matter http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/pink_princess01/new%20album/avatarhell_xxdeathwishesxx_scales.gif
September 12, 200717 yr Author does it really matter how much people weigh??? no it doesnt. so long as people are happy and have reasonable health then it shouldnt matter well yes it does matter as us taxpayers have to pick up the bill for their greed. obese (not overweight, im talking OBESE) people are a ticking time bomb, they WILL NOT have 'reasonable health'
September 12, 200717 yr I think they should tax it too. And charge them more for clothes, because it's well rude that they get more material at the same price, and I'm not even bringing jokes ):
September 12, 200717 yr Author The NHS shouldn't worry over something that the person themself has to sort out on their own. Giving drugs to cancer patients, should be first priority, obesity shouldn't even be a priority. you are showing a remarkable lack of understanding here... just how can an obese person sort out heart trouble, diabetese, cancer, etc etc etc 'on their own'?... if a person is ill the nhs treats them, if we as a population eats its way to ill health then the rescourses are being depleted by obese buggers and less is being spent on REALLY ill people. people who are ill through no fault of their own losing out to self inflicted ailments.
September 12, 200717 yr you are showing a remarkable lack of understanding here... just how can an obese person sort out heart trouble, diabetese, cancer, etc etc etc 'on their own'?... if a person is ill the nhs treats them, if we as a population eats its way to ill health then the rescourses are being depleted by obese buggers and less is being spent on REALLY ill people. people who are ill through no fault of their own losing out to self inflicted ailments. What I'm talking about is the NHS helping out people who are just 'obese'. Ok if they have heart problems, diabetese, etc. then that IS a reason to help out. Personally I've always felt that weight/size/obesity is down to the person. The serious stuff I guess like Tumors, Healthy but unlucky people with disease, they're the ones who should be cared for, not the ones who have ate there way into cancer.
September 12, 200717 yr Author It all depends on someone's metabollism though that is what causes obesity not what they eat TRIPE! if that was true then obesity wouldnt be on the rise. obesity has EVERYTHING to do with what you eat. however there are a few, a very small minority that are obese through a medical condition and their doctor would diagnose it, they deserve treatment .
September 12, 200717 yr Author What I'm talking about is the NHS helping out people who are just 'obese'. Ok if they have heart problems, diabetese, etc. then that IS a reason to help out. Personally I've always felt that weight/size/obesity is down to the person. The serious stuff I guess like Tumors, Healthy but unlucky people with disease, they're the ones who should be cared for, not the ones who have ate there way into cancer. the point is though that obese people have far greater health problems brought about by their greed/gluttony. tbh taxing unhealthy foods is imho a good idea.
September 12, 200717 yr Author I know it might be an unpopular view, but I really think it would be an idea if the NHS started charging people at least half the treatment costs in cases where the illness has been brought about by smoking/drinking/over-eating. i agree. why should people absolve themselves of reasponsability for their own well being then expect US to pay for their treatment?
September 13, 200717 yr It all depends on someone's metabollism though that is what causes obesity not what they eat I eat typically 3 or 4 packets of crisps a day and a large bar of Milky Bar and at least 3 cans of Coke but because of my metabollism I do not get abese, I am a relatively ok 14 and half stone even though I eat like a pig in a trough, I think that it would be unfair to fine people for having a bad metabollism rate when I am just as at much and am at risk from the same food related illnesses I thought this myth had been exploded so many times now that nobody still believed it. Metabolism has nothing to do with it. If you eat more than you burn you'll get fat - simple as that. I assume that if you are fourteen and a half stone that you are several inches over six feet tall, otherwise your Body Mass Index is likely to prove you slightly overweight! Edited September 13, 200717 yr by 45cat
September 13, 200717 yr I thought this myth had been exploded so many times now that nobody still believed it. Metabolism has nothing to do with it. If you eat more than you burn you'll get fat - simple as that. I assume that if you are fourteen and a half stone that you are several inches over six feet tall, otherwise your Body Mass Index is likely to prove you slightly overweight! I am just over 6ft tall and have a BMI of around 27 which puts me in the slightly overweight catergory but no doubt I am damaging my internal organs by drinking so much coke and eating so much chocolate and crisps but no one talks about making me pay for treatment because I don't look obese at all but I am eating every much amount of junk food as an obese person, add to that the 4 lots of 12" pizza I have every week, I am a heart attack waiting to happen so why should I get free treatment if anything happens to me yet someone 16 stone has to pay ? And Rob where does this making people pay for treatment stop ?? Should anyone who drinks too much alcohol have to pay for their NHS treatment ? Should someone who smokes have to pay ? Should people who's houses are near airports have to pay given the emmisions from planes ? Should people who are not obese but do not belong to gyms or sports clubs have to pay ? Should people who injure themselves playing sport have to pay ? Should people who make too many mobile phone calls have to pay as it is proven that over use of mobiles can cause brain tumours ? Every time we go outside we are breathing in all sorts of $h!t into our lungs from traffic pollution and industrial pollution and so on so should there be an outdoors tax too where anyone that gets asthma or lung probs through being outside has to pay for their treatment as they could have just stayed indoors ? Where does it end ? why penalise one group of society and not others ? hell lets penalise EVERYONE who has a non perfectly healthy living llifestyle and charge NHS treatment to everyone except vicars, nuns and trappist monks :rolleyes: Edited September 13, 200717 yr by Vic Vega
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