Posted September 14, 200717 yr (sensible replies ONLY please) is it all hokum? or is it possible to alter events to suit you?... did the ancients have a knowlege of natural powers or is it all hippy bull$h!t? everything that exists is made up on a collection of molecules, elemental atoms condensed in various conglomerates to form everything from water to gold. as atoms contain massive amounts of energy, is it possible to 'tap into' this energy, and use it for 'supernatural' means?... personally i think not, but i do think this is an area that science has not yet properly explored and there could be some truth in it.... or could there?
September 14, 200717 yr As with religion, either you believe or you don't. I don't. Scientific proof rarely changes beliefs so why bother? I'd rather see the money spent on something more important.
September 14, 200717 yr Author As with religion, either you believe or you don't. I don't. Scientific proof rarely changes beliefs so why bother? I'd rather see the money spent on something more important. but if it is possible to harness natural forces for good then surely that would be worth it. maybe it would explain healing... see i think that the human being isnt the finished product, we are merely the 'latest model' and our brains are 80% or something unused... im warm to the prospect that maybe the human being can do far more then we understand. like religion, IF proof can be discovered that witchcraft is based on science then the truth will be undisputable.
September 14, 200717 yr but if it is possible to harness natural forces for good then surely that would be worth it. maybe it would explain healing... see i think that the human being isnt the finished product, we are merely the 'latest model' and our brains are 80% or something unused... im warm to the prospect that maybe the human being can do far more then we understand. like religion, IF proof can be discovered that witchcraft is based on science then the truth will be undisputable. Scientific tests have been done on the human brain that prove that we use most of it all the time. The "80% unused" is a very old myth long discredited. In 1935 a scientist called Karl Spencer Lashley had been experimenting on rats and concluded that up to half of their brain could be destroyed without changing their ability to learn. Assumptions were made about all brains based on this. In the 40s in America a place called The Pelman Institute ran ads for self-improvement courses which said "What's holding you back? Just one fact - one scientific fact. That is all. Because, as science says, you are using only one-tenth of your real brain power!" And so the myth grew. Nowadays we have CAT, PET and MRI scans which prove that there are NO inactive regions of the brain - even when we're asleep! See what I mean about not believing what you don't want to believe whether it's been scientifically proved or not? Sorry, I'm starting to sound like Stephen Fry or Richard Dawkins! Edited September 14, 200717 yr by 45cat
September 15, 200717 yr Author Scientific tests have been done on the human brain that prove that we use most of it all the time. The "80% unused" is a very old myth long discredited. In 1935 a scientist called Karl Spencer Lashley had been experimenting on rats and concluded that up to half of their brain could be destroyed without changing their ability to learn. Assumptions were made about all brains based on this. In the 40s in America a place called The Pelman Institute ran ads for self-improvement courses which said "What's holding you back? Just one fact - one scientific fact. That is all. Because, as science says, you are using only one-tenth of your real brain power!" And so the myth grew. Nowadays we have CAT, PET and MRI scans which prove that there are NO inactive regions of the brain - even when we're asleep! See what I mean about not believing what you don't want to believe whether it's been scientifically proved or not? Sorry, I'm starting to sound like Stephen Fry or Richard Dawkins! lol.. ok i take your point, and sounding like richard dawkins is fine by me!!!! lol. however i know that the human being produces 'fields on energy' around it (the aura) and that the hands can emit and detect 'force'. in the mid 90's i was in a group who regularly experimented in this area. you can 'feel the force' between 2 hands, or from fingers on one hand to somebody elses palm.. i have sat in a chair in a room and been 'shrunk'... ie someone fired 'force' into me from their hands (i knew not what was going to happen) and i began to experience the sensation of becoming small, everything else grew... i have been tickled, someone fired 'force' into my back without me knowing and it tickled me beyond belief! ive played a sensing game.... i was blindfolded and had to negociate my way across a room of people without touching them, by sensing their presence by using my hands to detect their aura... now to the best of my knowlege, none of this has been scientifically examined! yet it happend to me and i can still perform the detecting thing... what it shows me is that we dont know all the facts or possibly faculties that the human being can perform. the significance?... well, it might explain various healing 'miracles' and it might shed light onto the possibility that controling natural forces (ie withcraft) IS possible.
September 15, 200717 yr 90% of the brain that is supposedly isn't used is actually in use constantly. Repairing cells, pumping blood around, making the heart beat etc. There are a billion and one things that the body does every minute to keep us upright. It's all managed by our brains. I know it sounds stupid, but people think that their conscious and sub-conscious are the only things the brain is needed for. They seem to forget the functions of it on a micro-level. I think that there are good and evil forces in the world and so therefore think that there are also positive and negative forces too. I don't know about witchcraft and if I put on a hex/spell on someone that it would work and I would have the power to do that. But I do think that negative forces eminate from somewhere just don't know where.
September 15, 200717 yr 90% of the brain that is supposedly isn't used is actually in use constantly. Repairing cells, pumping blood around, making the heart beat etc. There are a billion and one things that the body does every minute to keep us upright. It's all managed by our brains. I know it sounds stupid, but people think that their conscious and sub-conscious are the only things the brain is needed for. They seem to forget the functions of it on a micro-level. I think that there are good and evil forces in the world and so therefore think that there are also positive and negative forces too. I don't know about witchcraft and if I put on a hex/spell on someone that it would work and I would have the power to do that. But I do think that negative forces eminate from somewhere just don't know where. My money's on The Daily Mail.
September 15, 200717 yr Author But I do think that negative forces eminate from somewhere just don't know where. i dont, i only see 'good' forces or none. i dont think the universe is black and white, i think theres either light/heat/sound/life or theres nothing. theres nothing creating silence, darkness, coldness, death even.. its just a lack of sound/light/life/heat.
September 17, 200717 yr Witchcraft has always been a grey area. Its natural human instinct to believe in more then what we see. The 'unknown' (eg witchcraft, ghosts etc) dates back throughout all of written history and it has been and to this day still remains a constant in our world. These so called people who have the ability to manipulate and change these 'energies' have withstood the test of time and persecutions from both religion and science, so perhaps there is some truth to their practice if it cannot be disproven completely. For me personally I kinda believe, we all want to know more then what our limitations allow. So the belief in witchcraft/the unknown which is beyond our understanding will forever remain a strong surreal belief in many.
September 17, 200717 yr Author Witchcraft has always been a grey area. Its natural human instinct to believe in more then what we see. The 'unknown' (eg witchcraft, ghosts etc) dates back throughout all of written history and it has been and to this day still remains a constant in our world. These so called people who have the ability to manipulate and change these 'energies' have withstood the test of time and persecutions from both religion and science, so perhaps there is some truth to their practice if it cannot be disproven completely. For me personally I kinda believe, we all want to know more then what our limitations allow. So the belief in witchcraft/the unknown which is beyond our understanding will forever remain a strong surreal belief in many. yeah... i kinda believe that its probably 99% hippy bollox but that there is possibly that theres a grain of truth within.
September 17, 200717 yr lol.. ok i take your point, and sounding like richard dawkins is fine by me!!!! lol. however i know that the human being produces 'fields on energy' around it (the aura) and that the hands can emit and detect 'force'. in the mid 90's i was in a group who regularly experimented in this area. you can 'feel the force' between 2 hands, or from fingers on one hand to somebody elses palm.. i have sat in a chair in a room and been 'shrunk'... ie someone fired 'force' into me from their hands (i knew not what was going to happen) and i began to experience the sensation of becoming small, everything else grew... i have been tickled, someone fired 'force' into my back without me knowing and it tickled me beyond belief! ive played a sensing game.... i was blindfolded and had to negociate my way across a room of people without touching them, by sensing their presence by using my hands to detect their aura... now to the best of my knowlege, none of this has been scientifically examined! yet it happend to me and i can still perform the detecting thing... what it shows me is that we dont know all the facts or possibly faculties that the human being can perform. the significance?... well, it might explain various healing 'miracles' and it might shed light onto the possibility that controling natural forces (ie withcraft) IS possible. This "group" you were in. Were they scientists? Or people who already believed in "forces" and "auras"? If you were blindfolded how do you know they weren't just moving out of your way? Hardly scientific! You should have set up a video camera to record the results. Or had independent observers (scientists or otherwise) to note the results. We humans have huge psychological effects on each other. Some of which are nigh on miraculous - as anyone who's watched Derren Brown at work will know. We are all open to suggestion and manipulation whether we think we are or not. The recent programmes by Richard Dawkins that you enthused about in another thread did a similar thing with water diviners. As soon as you apply the scientific method all of their powers seem to evaporate! Believe in "auras" and "forces" if you want to. As I said in my first post in this thread, "As with religion, either you believe or you don't. I don't." I tend to side with Derren Brown and Richard Dawkins, rather than Derek Acora and Obi Wan Kenobi!
September 17, 200717 yr Author the group was simply a research group looking into 'new age' type things, most of which didnt stand up to scrutiny. however these 'forces' were/are real... im satisfied that theres something in it, and as you know im big on dawkins, brown, et al. what 'it' is i dont know, im sure it probably can be scientifically explained as it exists. im not suggesting its 'supernatural'.
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