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so which part are you most looking forward to of Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino's Grindhouse? planet terror or death proof???

and do you think the trailer with its wayout 70s homage and recreation to the genre (inc scratches on the film) actually put the potential auds off because it didnt look as slick as the usual horror remakes that suburban multiplex auds in middle america would be intersted in?

Erm, to be honest, I reckon these two films are gonna be LOT slicker than the original 'Grindhouse' films every were.... Original Grindhouse films did not tend to cost 20-odd million dollars to make for a start.... The likes of Herschell Gordon Lewis and Russ Meyer's films were grotty and sh!t-looking because the blokes had bugger all money to make them.... Which made them cool-as-fukk.... I really dunno about this, sure it LOOKS cool and all, but considering the obvious amount of money chucked at them and the fact you;ve got well-known professional actors (Kurt Russell, Rose McGowan, Bruce Willis??? Come on, do us a favour.... It would be a bit like Russ Meyer or H G Lewis getting Paul Newman or Jane Fonda in one of their films....) when the original Grindhouse directors would be lucky to get a bunch of performing arts students, Z-list actors or Soft-Porn stars like Tura Satana....

 

Okay, it's a homage, but the potential for this film (or films...) to be an UTTER pile of sh!te is huge beyond imagining....

Erm, to be honest, I reckon these two films are gonna be LOT slicker than the original 'Grindhouse' films every were....

 

but will they be to gimmicky for auds to get the point? will the chav massives in retail parks get it, will they generaly have prior knowledge of the grindhouse 'genre' to get the idea???

 

Okay, it's a homage, but the potential for this film (or films...) to be an UTTER pile of sh!te is huge beyond imagining....

 

then again maybe only one 'half' might be a pile of $h!te

 

BBC: Tarantino up for top Cannes prize

 

Quentin Tarantino won the Palme d'Or with Pulp Fiction in 1994

Quentin Tarantino and Gus Van Sant are among the directors vying for the top prize at the 60th Cannes Film Festival.

Hong Kong director Wong Kar Wai, who headed last year's Cannes jury, is also in the running with his first English language film, My Blueberry Nights.

 

The prestigious event has unveiled the line-up ahead of its opening on 16 May.

 

Tarantino's Death Proof, half of his double bill Grindhouse, and Van Sant's Paranoid Park join 20 other entries in competition for the Palme d'Or.

 

The Coen brothers are among the contenders with their latest thriller, No Country For Old Men.

 

And several high-profile films will receive their premieres out of competition.

 

US director Michael Moore, who won the Palme d'Or in 2004 for Fahrenheit 9/11, returns with his new documentary Sicko, about the US healthcare system.

 

 

George Clooney is expected to be among the US stars at Cannes

Michael Winterbottom's film about the murder of US journalist Daniel Pearl, A Mighty Heart, starring Angelina Jolie, is also out of competition.

 

Hollywood glamour at the famous French festival will come courtesy of Stephen Soderbergh's Ocean's 13.

 

The film's stars - Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Julia Roberts, Catherine Zeta Jones, Matt Damon and Al Pacino - are all expected to attend a gala screening.

 

In the Palme d'Or contest, Tarantino will be hoping to emulate his 1994 triumph with Pulp Fiction, while Van Sant's Paranoid Park tells the story of a teenage skateboarder who accidentally kills a security guard.

 

Van Sant also won the Palme in 2003 with Elephant.

 

Wong Kar Wai's road trip movie My Blueberry Nights stars Norah Jones, Jude Law, Rachel Weisz and Natalie Portman.

 

Emir Kusturica, who has won the Palme twice before, could be a third-time winner with Promise Me This, an offbeat story about an old Serbian man who prays his son will find a wife.

 

"For the anniversary we chose to mix heritage with modernity, well-known names and new blood," Giles Jacob, the president of the festival, told a Paris news conference.

 

 

Roman Polanski and other directors have made special short films

Several little-known film-makers are nominated this year, including Iranian Marjane Satrapi, South Korean Lee Chang-Dong and Fatih Akin, who is from Germany but of Turkish heritage.

 

The French are represented by Christopher Honore's Les Chansons d'Amour.

 

But there were no nominations for British film-makers, although British director Stephen Frears is chairing the Cannes jury, who decide the winner.

 

He is joined by eight others, including Australian actress Toni Collette and Nobel Prize-winning author Orhan Pamuk.

 

A series of short films by top film-makers will also be shown together to celebrate the festival's 60th anniversary.

 

Roman Polanski, the Coen brothers, Ken Loach, Lars Von Trier, Alejandro Gonzales Inarritu and Jane Campion are among those making three-minute films on the theme of going to the cinema.

 

Last year's Palme d'Or went to The Wind that Shakes the Barley by British director Ken Loach.

 

 

but will they be to gimmicky for auds to get the point? will the chav massives in retail parks get it, will they generaly have prior knowledge of the grindhouse 'genre' to get the idea???

then again maybe only one 'half' might be a pile of $h!te

 

From what I hear on IMDb, it's the Tarantino sequence that's the weakest link (which wouldn't surprise me considering how his last two films sort of sucked)... A lot of people rate the Rodriguez segment a lot higher...

From what I hear on IMDb, it's the Tarantino sequence that's the weakest link (which wouldn't surprise me considering how his last two films sort of sucked)... A lot of people rate the Rodriguez segment a lot higher...

 

really? you know they are thinking of now splitting the films as nobody gets the idea of the homage (apart from me, you and a few other readers of DVD World!!!) with Tarantino's half going to be released first as the dist thinks he's a bigger name.

 

do you think the format was just a bit too clever clever for the multiplexes???

 

 

Tarantino reeling after new film is left on shelf," screams the headline in a newspaper today following the announcement that Grindhouse, co-directed by Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez, has had its planned UK release on June 1 pulled.

 

With indecent haste, some have even cited the fact that Grindhouse's release is delayed as a sign that Tarantino's once mighty powers are ebbing. We already know that the film didn't perform especially well in the US. For Tarantino's detractors, this must mean that the director is about to return to the video store obscurity from whence he emerged.

 

The rush to judgment seems utterly absurd. Yes, it is mildly embarrassing for Grindhouse's co-directors Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez that their film's British release has been postponed, but no more than that. Release dates are shifted all the time.

 

Understandably, the film's UK distributors Momentum are indignant at the idea that Grindhouse is being pronounced dead on arrival. It now looks as if the two movies that make up Grindhouse will be split. Tarantino's contribution, Death Proof (screening in competition in Cannes next month) is likely to be released in September.

 

"Everyone is really excited about it. There will be loads of UK press access. Quentin has agreed to come to the UK to support it," a Momentum spokesperson commented today. "We're all very excited about Death Proof, (Rodriguez's) Planet Terror and the whole Grindhouse experience. It will be an aggressive marketing campaign. There is no way at all that we are thinking this film is left on the shelf."

 

Perhaps Grindhouse is simply a victim of the absurdly inflated expectations that invariably surround any new Tarantino project. The film is being treated as if it is a big summer tentpole movie. This is ridiculous. However you dress it up, Grindhouse is exploitation fodder. Its very name betrays its origins. A grindhouse is a shabby downtown movie theatre showing double-bills of B-movies.

 

You can't help but be dismayed at the way that US box-office returns are increasingly treated as the only important guage of quality. Grindhouse may well bomb in British cinemas. Whatever happens, it is unlikely to match the grosses achieved by Hot Fuzz, let alone Spider Man, but that doesn't mean it is a bad movie. It would be nice if UK audiences were able to make up their own minds for once, without having to take it on trust that just because a film has only made $23 million in three weeks in the US, it must therefore be bad.

 

from the guardian blog

really? you know they are thinking of now splitting the films as nobody gets the idea of the homage (apart from me, you and a few other readers of DVD World!!!) with Tarantino's half going to be released first as the dist thinks he's a bigger name.

 

do you think the format was just a bit too clever clever for the multiplexes???

Tarantino reeling after new film is left on shelf," screams the headline in a newspaper today following the announcement that Grindhouse, co-directed by Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez, has had its planned UK release on June 1 pulled.

 

With indecent haste, some have even cited the fact that Grindhouse's release is delayed as a sign that Tarantino's once mighty powers are ebbing. We already know that the film didn't perform especially well in the US. For Tarantino's detractors, this must mean that the director is about to return to the video store obscurity from whence he emerged.

 

The rush to judgment seems utterly absurd. Yes, it is mildly embarrassing for Grindhouse's co-directors Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez that their film's British release has been postponed, but no more than that. Release dates are shifted all the time.

 

Understandably, the film's UK distributors Momentum are indignant at the idea that Grindhouse is being pronounced dead on arrival. It now looks as if the two movies that make up Grindhouse will be split. Tarantino's contribution, Death Proof (screening in competition in Cannes next month) is likely to be released in September.

 

"Everyone is really excited about it. There will be loads of UK press access. Quentin has agreed to come to the UK to support it," a Momentum spokesperson commented today. "We're all very excited about Death Proof, (Rodriguez's) Planet Terror and the whole Grindhouse experience. It will be an aggressive marketing campaign. There is no way at all that we are thinking this film is left on the shelf."

 

Perhaps Grindhouse is simply a victim of the absurdly inflated expectations that invariably surround any new Tarantino project. The film is being treated as if it is a big summer tentpole movie. This is ridiculous. However you dress it up, Grindhouse is exploitation fodder. Its very name betrays its origins. A grindhouse is a shabby downtown movie theatre showing double-bills of B-movies.

 

You can't help but be dismayed at the way that US box-office returns are increasingly treated as the only important guage of quality. Grindhouse may well bomb in British cinemas. Whatever happens, it is unlikely to match the grosses achieved by Hot Fuzz, let alone Spider Man, but that doesn't mean it is a bad movie. It would be nice if UK audiences were able to make up their own minds for once, without having to take it on trust that just because a film has only made $23 million in three weeks in the US, it must therefore be bad.

 

from the guardian blog

 

Oh dear...... Postponed eh...? And split up to boot, which is the worst thing they could possibly do seeing as how the bloody trailers have been playing in cinemas all over the UK for the past month or so and advertising it as a DOUBLE FEATURE.... So, just how is this going to reflect the whole "Grindhouse" experience then if the films are split up....? The distributors seem to be labouring under the impression that UK and European cinema audiences are as pig-sh!t ignorant about Cinema as American ones are, and that we somehow wont 'get' the idea.... Tarantino seems to forget that it was us Europeans who gave him the biggest cheers when no sod in America really gave a damn about "Reservoir Dogs" when it first came out.... Not to mention the fact that it was at the CANNES festival where "Pulp Fiction" actually got an award for being the best film (did it get the equivalent Oscar award...? NO!!!!!!)... If "Grindhouse" tanks over here, it'll tank because the distributors think we're all bloody stupid.... Films that dont do well in the US often find a more sympathetic audience in Europe, Momentum aint giving us any credit here for any intelligence....

 

Mind you, Tarantino's reputation has taken an almighty hammering over the past 5 or 6 years.... "Kill Bill" was self-indulgent toss frankly, well okay, Part One had its moments, but Part Two was a Karaoke version of a Tarantino film, so utterly boring and without all the stuff that made is first three films so cool and unmissable...

Oh dear...... Postponed eh...? And split up to boot, which is the worst thing they could possibly do seeing as how the bloody trailers have been playing in cinemas all over the UK for the past month or so and advertising it as a DOUBLE FEATURE....

 

think the first film is out now on September 21st??? so think a trip to CD-WOW might be inorder in Aug!!!

think the first film is out now on September 21st??? so think a trip to CD-WOW might be inorder in Aug!!!

 

With you on that one....

 

Or maybe I'll just go to a Torrent site and download the damn thing and actually see it the way it's meant to be seen, ie as a double feature with the fake trailers inbetween the two films..... Okay, so the quality might kind of suck a bit, but it's seems the only way we in this country will see the films they way they were intended to be exhibited.... <_<

With you on that one....

 

Or maybe I'll just go to a Torrent site and download the damn thing and actually see it the way it's meant to be seen, ie as a double feature with the fake trailers inbetween the two films..... Okay, so the quality might kind of suck a bit, but it's seems the only way we in this country will see the films they way they were intended to be exhibited.... <_<

 

would do that myself if i actually owned a computer. Dad is paranoid!!!

 

btw here is an article about Torture Porn from the guardian you might like to read it:

 

Many of today's torture porn films are being made on tiny budgets by little-known directors, but with the release of the new Tarantino/Rodriguez double-bill, Grindhouse - designed as a tribute to the ultra-violent B-movie programmes of old - the trend officially reaches the mainstream. Made up of two films plus a clutch of trailers for non-existent movies, Grindhouse bombed when it was released in the US last month. American audiences were said to have been put off by the three-hour running time, and last week it was announced that Grindhouse will be released in a different format in the UK, the two films sold as separate features. Whether either film is any good is still up for debate - I, for one, found them both suicidally boring. What isn't in question is the disturbing attitude towards women in these films.

 

First on the programme is Robert Rodriguez's Planet Terror, a repetitively gory, gloomily depressing zombie picture, which opens with Rose McGowan pole dancing. There are close ups of her bottom and breasts in those initial scenes, and then she appears to be kissing another woman. In a feature about Grindhouse in Rolling Stone last month, Rodriguez noted that, "When we started talking about the movie, Quentin said, 'There should always be a lesbian kiss just around the corner - possibly.' I took that to heart, and in my very first scene, I have two female tongues going at each other and licking. You find out that it's Rose licking a mirror, but it gets across the idea that it could be around the corner at any time."

 

So far, so predictable. It isn't surprising that the film's main female character is a go-go dancer - Rodriguez is, after all, the director who made Sin City, in which the female characters ran the gamut from prostitutes to strippers. But having established McGowan's sexiness, in Planet Terror, the attacks on her begin. First a zombie rips off McGowan's leg, and then Tarantino (playing a zombie soldier called Rapist Number One) holds a gun to her head, before threatening her with rape. You can currently buy a Rapist Number One action figure online for your kids, should you so wish.

 

Then there's Tarantino's Death Proof, in which Kurt Russell stars as Stuntman Mike, a guy who gets his kicks from stalking groups of gorgeous young women, following them in his car and ramming whatever vehicle they happen to be travelling in, until they are dead. Severed limbs and bloodied faces abound. Interestingly, of all the women actors in Grindhouse, McGowan is the only one to appear in both films, and, while she survives Planet Terror (fitting the age-old horror archetype of the "final girl" who persists to the end - usually, it seems, to help justify the misogyny that has gone before) this triumph is short-lived. In Death Proof, McGowan's character is swiftly - gruesomely - dispatched. (In that same Rolling Stone feature, McGowan talked about her own attitude towards today's horror films, saying that, "all they do now is think about ways to torture women, primarily. I don't really get that. What is this, a manual for young, budding serial killers? Can't we just go watch Pillow Talk?")

 

Some of the nastiest images in Grindhouse arise in the fake trailers. Rob Zombie, director of The Devil's Rejects, creates one for a dream project - Werewolf Women of the SS - which includes the image of a topless woman, bound and gagged, being tortured by cartoonish Nazi soldiers. And Eli Roth - him again! - packs a host of sex and gore into his three-minute trailer for a potential film called Thanksgiving, including an image of a cheerleader peeling off her clothes while bouncing on a trampoline, before apparently being impaled with a large, gleaming knife - through the vagina, no less. (Horrifying though this is, it isn't actually original - the 2005 film Chaos showed a woman being anally raped with a knife.)

 

Unsurprisingly, the cheerleader scene in Grindhouse attracted some attention from the MPAA, the US ratings board, and Roth was forced to change it, to make the imagery much more suggestive than explicit. Addressing this at the American press junket for Grindhouse, he commented that "when I shot that trailer for Thanksgiving, I really thought there was no problem with anything - it just shows you how genuinely out of touch I am! I was like ... a full frontal labial shot, to camera, of a girl landing on a knife seemed like no problem to me ..."

 

Of course, maybe Roth's just trying to be funny - his tone is gleeful throughout this interview (a transcript and audio version of which can be found on a number of film websites). Later in the interview he says: "Let me tell you, I heard that Stanley Kubrick did a lot of takes on Eyes Wide Shut, it was nothing compared to the amount of takes we did once we had that cheerleader naked and bouncing around on a trampoline! I mean, she was great, she got it on the first take, but we did take, after take, after take! And we finished early and we had like three hours, and we're like, 'Well, how much film do we have?' And we're like, 'All right, let's ... let's do it again!' And she just had a smile on her face the whole time."

 

Grindhouse is, in many ways, a cartoon, and its intersection of sex and violence is meant to be ironic, funny even. It makes multiple nods to parody and pastiche. I'm not so sure that British audiences will share the directors' humour though. As one of the stars of Planet Terror, the British actor Naveen Andrews, has said on the subject of the B-movie films Grindhouse is based on: "Obviously, Quentin and Rodriguez saw some kind of aesthetic in these kinds of films, and for the life of me I was trying to grasp what it was. They were laughing like maniacs and I didn't find it funny for more than like a minute."

 

Over the years, many directors have defended the violence in their films by claiming that it's ironic. But is an image of a nubile woman having her innards pulled out - as occurs in Planet Terror - any less problematic because it has been made in a knowing way? You could argue that it's more problematic. Irony - with its inherent insincerity - can be an emotionally deadening tool, and, in terms of their content, these films are already deadening, de-sensitising enough. The irony just adds another layer of soul-sucking cynicism to the mix.

 

 

Quentin Tarantino's new film, looks pretty good, he is on Jonathan Ross in a few minutes talking about it. Kurt Russell's in it, and it seems to be getting good reviews. Anyone seen it?

 

i havent seen it yet but i hope to real soon its looks quality and i find all Tarantino films great!!

He was great on Jonathan Ross, and explaining how this has been released on it's own, as people just dont' want to see a double bill anymore (obviously refering to Grindhouse). It sounds and looks like a great film, and he was explaing how there are no special effects or CGI, it's more like an old film, the type he would love himself. Kurt Russel is apperently brilliant in it so I am looking forward to seeing it :D

ohhh i missed Jonathan Ross :( i love the double part films think they are some his best work to be honest but the way you said he has was talking about death proof makes out like it could be one of his best yet! because if he loves the film that way he must put alot into it! kurt russel is not one of my fav actors but if hes good in it then i wont mind it

 

just saw the trailor on tv looks really really good!!

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Yep, I saw him on JR too...it looks RATHER good

He was great on Jonathan Ross,

I used to respect Tarantino, but now, I just think he's a total w/anker, and the fact that he's trying to spin this to make it sound like nobody in this country wanted to see the "Grindhouse" double-bill is an outright LIE.....

 

Trust me, you're gonna be wading through an unbelievable amount of boring, tedious sh!te masquerading as characterisation and dialogue before you get to the genuinely good parts of the film - ie, the last 20 mins or so and the big car wreck about half-way through....

Isn't the standalone Death Proof about half hour longer than the Grindhouse Death Proof ? thought I read that somewhere and this standalone is a kinda Directors Cut

Isn't the standalone Death Proof about half hour longer than the Grindhouse Death Proof ? thought I read that somewhere and this standalone is a kinda Directors Cut

 

Considering the "Grindhouse" version of the film had a fair amount of irritating, inconsequential waffle from some of the characters even in its 80 minute form, I shudder to think just how unbelievably dull and interminably tedious the waffle is gonna be now..... -_-

 

"Grindhouse" never had much studio control exerted over it anyway, Rodriguez and Tarantino were given a totally free hand in how to approach the idea, Rodriguez always does his own editing anyway, so I very much doubt that Tarantino was told by any studio execs how to shoot or edit his segment, so it would be a "Director's Cut" anyway... Nah, it seems to me that it's when things went t*ts up and no bugger even understood the concept in the States, that the execs stepped in and started controlling things.... There was NEVER a plan up until very close to the British release date to split the two films up, or do any kind of "director's cut"..

 

It's very clear to me that this whole "splitting up" idea is the studios trying to salvage some kind of profit out of a bad situation.....

 

Death Proof is c**p, I saw it ages ago. The big chase lasts about 30 minutes and there's about 45 mins leading up to it.

 

Planet Terror on the other hand is great, a bit like Kill Bill.

Death Proof is c**p, I saw it ages ago. The big chase lasts about 30 minutes and there's about 45 mins leading up to it.

 

The run time for the "international version" is now almost TWO HOURS.... Can you imagine how unbelivevably bloody boring it's gonna be now???? Hard to believe that this is the same Quentin Tarantino who gave us "Reservoir Dogs", "Pulp Fiction", "True Romance" with their unforgettable dialogue, excellent characterisation and sly wit, the dialogue in "Death Proof" is just so unimaginitive, boring, tedious and inconsequential as to be just completely unreal.. 80 minutes of this felt almost like three hours, I shudder to think how long it's gonna feel for audiences in its two hour form..... :blink:

 

Wait for Rodriguez's excellent, gory fun "Planet Terror" folks... I actually wanted that segment of "Grindhouse" to last longer.....

 

The excuse for splitting up the two films is now that "some overseas territories might not understand the concept of the "Grindhouse" double feature".... Yeah, us in Britain and Europe, we're that stupid aren't we (and all those Americans who walked out the film after "Planet Terror" had finished are just SOOOOO clever)...?? Because of course, we've never had "double features" in cinemas in this country, have we...? <_<

Yep, I saw him on JR too...it looks RATHER good

 

They obviously just showed clips from the big finale or the car wreck sequence didn't they..? Trust me, you're gonna be wading through an unbelievable amount of boring, tedious sh!te masquerading as characterisation and dialogue before you get to the genuinely good parts of the film - ie, the last 20 mins or so and the big car wreck about half-way through....