October 15, 200717 yr well...yes, but not in such numbers, there were few of us, half a dozen or so, these guys dont live here, there are far bigger groups, plus in my day there wasnt teenage (under 16) drug taking, drinking, sex, muggings, knife carrying... like there is now. In your day it was different? A group of teenagers is always intimidating. Also I take it when you turned 16 you took drugs, drank had sex etc........ So in other words you are not happy about the youth of today doing what you did when you were their age (or a couple of years older) I think thats called being a hypocrit.......
October 15, 200717 yr In your day it was different? A group of teenagers is always intimidating. Also I take it when you turned 16 you took drugs, drank had sex etc........ So in other words you are not happy about the youth of today doing what you did when you were their age (or a couple of years older) I think thats called being a hypocrit....... nope...you have got the wrong end of the stick. in the 70's there were groups of teens... skinheads, grebos, suadeheads, boneheads in certain areas that were intimidating. i wasnt in such a group, not many were, it was certain estates and inner city areas where that went on, not in the suburbs. drinking, sex, drugs, crime, were not so prevelant in the under 16's as it is today by a mile... nor did things change much over 16... again, i didnt, most of us didnt, participate in these activities. the point im making is that these 'adult' activities are far more common with the under 18's( for the sake of argument) then it was 30 years ago where it was largely unheard of.
October 15, 200717 yr nope...you have got the wrong end of the stick. in the 70's there were groups of teens... skinheads, grebos, suadeheads, boneheads in certain areas that were intimidating. i wasnt in such a group, not many were, it was certain estates and inner city areas where that went on, not in the suburbs. drinking, sex, drugs, crime, were not so prevelant in the under 16's as it is today by a mile... nor did things change much over 16... again, i didnt, most of us didnt, participate in these activities. the point im making is that these 'adult' activities are far more common with the under 18's( for the sake of argument) then it was 30 years ago where it was largely unheard of. You seem to forget about the Mods and Rockers fighting pitch battles every weekend just about.... And the drug of choice was usually stuff like amphetamines, speed, etc, and LOTS of shagging was going on as well.... :lol: Obviously it would be largely unheard of because the media was nowhere near as vociferous as it is nowadays, no internet, You Tube, camera phones, etc.... TBH, I'm just wondering if your objections to all this are because now it's beginning to encroach upon your precious "suburbia"....
October 15, 200717 yr You seem to forget about the Mods and Rockers fighting pitch battles every weekend just about.... And the drug of choice was usually stuff like amphetamines, speed, etc, and LOTS of shagging was going on as well.... :lol: Obviously it would be largely unheard of because the media was nowhere near as vociferous as it is nowadays, no internet, You Tube, camera phones, etc.... TBH, I'm just wondering if your objections to all this are because now it's beginning to encroach upon your precious "suburbia".... mods n rockers were a local phenomenon, they fought in brighton whilst throughout the rest of the country they got on ok with one another... and that was in 1964, i was 7! hardly 'my' generation! :P nope... my generation were saints by todays teenagers. last night the gang were smoking weed... in public... we would never have done that.
October 15, 200717 yr I remember in the early 80's when I was a young kid being caught in the middle of a fight between the mods and rockers on a beach in ayrshire. And after they dissappeared we had the football casuals in the late 80's early 90's they were always fighting
October 16, 200717 yr I remember in the early 80's when I was a young kid being caught in the middle of a fight between the mods and rockers on a beach in ayrshire. And after they dissappeared we had the football casuals in the late 80's early 90's they were always fighting oh per-leeze they were 'quadrophenia' watchers copying what they thought the REAL mods n rockers of the 60's were all about.
October 16, 200717 yr oh per-leeze they were 'quadrophenia' watchers copying what they thought the REAL mods n rockers of the 60's were all about. Maybe they were, but they were still viscious thugs whoever they were, which proves my point that the youth of today are no worse than the youth of yester year Edited October 16, 200717 yr by kindagood
October 17, 200717 yr Maybe they were, but they were still viscious thugs whoever they were, which proves my point that the youth of today are no worse than the youth of yester year KG does have a point Rob, and the 80s football casuals were an utter menace as well... Of course, in the case of the footie casuals, not all of them were brainless kids, the organisers actually held down good jobs and seemed very respectable.....
October 17, 200717 yr nonsense.... yes there has always been disruptive youth, ever since the teddyboys of the 50's, but until this decade there was NEVER the scale of illegal activities that there is now. underage sex, teenage pregnancies, std's, drug taking, muggings, anti social behaviour, knifings, shootings, ... every corner of youth culture is today at a worse level then its ever been.
October 19, 200717 yr nonsense.... yes there has always been disruptive youth, ever since the teddyboys of the 50's, but until this decade there was NEVER the scale of illegal activities that there is now. underage sex, teenage pregnancies, std's, drug taking, muggings, anti social behaviour, knifings, shootings, ... every corner of youth culture is today at a worse level then its ever been. I have to agree. Time to blame the 1997 European Children's Protection & Civil Rights Act again that the (then) new Labour Government signed up to with disastrous results........
October 20, 200717 yr I have to agree. Time to blame the 1997 European Children's Protection & Civil Rights Act again that the (then) new Labour Government signed up to with disastrous results........ Lets blame the adoption of a decent policy, yes lets do that, then look at our european neighbours who have adopted the same policy, who also funnily enough don't have the same problems that we seem to have with our young people, then maybe you can reasses your view and look at the lack of support for families within our communities, and ask yourself are young people that bad because they are disconnected by our selfish society that resembles american society more and more each day, and prejudiced by older people saying it was different in my day. Most young people are decent individuals, a minority few create trouble, we should try to help these youngsters before it's too late and they become hardened criminals, not throw them on the scrapheap
October 20, 200717 yr Lets blame the adoption of a decent policy, yes lets do that, then look at our european neighbours who have adopted the same policy, who also funnily enough don't have the same problems that we seem to have with our young people, then maybe you can reasses your view and look at the lack of support for families within our communities, and ask yourself are young people that bad because they are disconnected by our selfish society that resembles american society more and more each day, and prejudiced by older people saying it was different in my day. Most young people are decent individuals, a minority few create trouble, we should try to help these youngsters before it's too late and they become hardened criminals, not throw them on the scrapheap good point :) i blame thatcher (lol), seriously though, there must be some reason why our youth are becoming increasingly unruly yet as you said , our neighbours in europe dont have the sameproblems. maybe its our lack of religion, maybe europeans are still opressed by catcholicism, maybe its the benefits culture here whereby single chav mums knock em out as a career move... after all if 1 mum creates 5 kids, then in 20 years time theres x5 as many to cope with.
October 22, 200717 yr Time to blame the 1997 European Children's Protection & Civil Rights Act again that the (then) new Labour Government signed up to with disastrous results........ But how do you explain the fact that our EU neighbours have signed up to the treaty as well and dont appear to be having anything like the problems we do... Go to Holland, Germany or Scandinavia, the sort of youth crime we have in the UK is simply not on the same scale... Are Dutch, German or Swedish kids genetically more inclined towards good behaviour or summat....?? I dont think so... Like Rob says, the legacy of Thatcherism is still damaging this country's psyche and our so-called "Labour" Govt has done very little to reverse the social injustices that Thatcher/Major created... Rob, I dont really think religion has anything to do with it tbh, Scandinavia, Germany and Holland are hardly what you could call "ultra religiously conservative"... The facts are, these countries are years ahead of us in terms of sound democratic, social and progressive politics....
October 22, 200717 yr But how do you explain the fact that our EU neighbours have signed up to the treaty as well and dont appear to be having anything like the problems we do... Go to Holland, Germany or Scandinavia, the sort of youth crime we have in the UK is simply not on the same scale... Are Dutch, German or Swedish kids genetically more inclined towards good behaviour or summat....?? I dont think so... Like Rob says, the legacy of Thatcherism is still damaging this country's psyche and our so-called "Labour" Govt has done very little to reverse the social injustices that Thatcher/Major created... Rob, I dont really think religion has anything to do with it tbh, Scandinavia, Germany and Holland are hardly what you could call "ultra religiously conservative"... The facts are, these countries are years ahead of us in terms of sound democratic, social and progressive politics.... These countries have progressive policies and also support the family unit, in whatever form it takes. They also instill responsibility in their young people from an early age, and they also discourage consumerism on the level we see in the UK. I agree with you about the religion issue, the Scandanavians, and the Dutch are less religious than us, and yet they still bring up their children to be more socially aware and responsible than we do
October 22, 200717 yr These countries have progressive policies and also support the family unit, in whatever form it takes. They also instill responsibility in their young people from an early age, and they also discourage consumerism on the level we see in the UK. I agree with you about the religion issue, the Scandanavians, and the Dutch are less religious than us, and yet they still bring up their children to be more socially aware and responsible than we do Spot on.. I have family in Holland, and their society is far more liberal than ours, and yet the younger generation there does act, in general, far more responsibly than our youth does... I doubt the Dutch govt would even suggest the sorts of intrusive violations of civil liberties that the Govt here is trying to instil on us....
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