I'll be watching - looks rather interesting..

It was really interesting, changed my opinion on him!

I thought it was aload of sh!te to be honest, I know enough about him to know that most of it wasn't true, also having a friend who is an expert on him also helps :P

 

They made him out to be a right monster :(

They made him out to be a right monster :(

They didn't, it was really well thought out. It could easily of turned into a programme about, "Yeah he's a freak who f***s children", but it wasn't. I think it was good that they went into more detail back with the Chandler story then the trail itself,

 

Well I found it interesting anyway.

Oh for f***s Sake!!!!!

 

Dont beleive the garbage, Everything in that program was UNTRUE!

 

Youd be stupid to beleive such an amatrue Program, that talked to the most distant contacts who are out for revenge!!

 

Really changed your opinion Josh? Really? BS!

 

Your a fool to beleive that!

 

Its just yet another Program, having yet another stab at an innocent man, People will not learn to leave him alone. This documentary can join the other 1000 Pertehtic attempts.

 

DONT BELIEVE THE RUBBISH!

Edited October 24, 200717 yr by Sir.Jack.Croft

Really changed your opinion Josh? Really? BS!

 

Your a fool to beleive that!

 

Its just yet another Program, having yet another stab at an innocent man, People will not learn to leave him alone. This documentary can join the other 1000 Pertehtic attempts.

 

DONT BELIEVE THE RUBBISH!

Sorry for making up an opinion on Michael Jackson, just like the whole world has.

Sorry for making up an opinion on Michael Jackson, just like the whole world has.

 

 

Id Understand If it came from a relaible source.

 

That man was paid Money to say he was a fan, and go and dig up Loads of untrue Rubbish.

 

Hes not broke. Hes worth over $1 billion.

 

Jordie chandler has admitted that he wanted money, and his dad forced him becuase he wanted money. And also wanted revenge becuase Michael didnt give his script to Speilburg. Theres a video clip with their voices taped admitting it. Search Youtube.

 

Gavin Arvizo was ill with cancer yes, the failed to mention Michael payed for all of his bills for him to get better. They also failed to mention his mum Janet is now in Jail for ABUSE and FRAUD. One person she tried to get money out of was Michael Jackson.

 

Let me put this question to you Josh, If Michael Molested your son, would the 1st thing you would do is ask for money? which is what both of those parents did.

 

They showed Michael in an extrememly negative light. Talking to people such as Fired Managers, who werent fired for Mixing it up, but was fired for betraying Michael, his team, again for Money. Diane Diamond, that b**ch has been down Michaels throat for Years. She just has a grudge against Michael. Shes just a stone cold b**ch.

 

As for the smaller things such as the whole Hotel Room thing, and Loving Little boys and stuff, there was never a moment where Michael would be alone with a boy, there would ALWAYS be someone there.

 

This was just another cheap shot at Michael, there are tons more lies on Youtube if youd like to ahve a browze.

 

Let me tell you, everything is revolved around Money, Michael Jackson is a vunerable man, and was taken advantaege of by these people thinking.. Hey wait a minute, If he pays out money to that guy, he will to us.

 

The Bigger The Star, The Bigger The Traget. Have you noticed they didnt speak to One of the many Jackson members, No one even close to Jackson?!?

 

Just a few people who were close within a distance once upon a time :lol:

 

I cant even begin to explain what a Joke that program was.

 

Everything they said I hit back out with the actual true comment. If i had the program here with me, Id disect it, and show you the truth.

 

Do Not believe that program, It twists the truth, and your just being manipluated by this man whos gone out and gotten a load of c**p together just to get midweek ratings.

 

People are attracted to negativity and Bad Publcicity. No one wants good news, they just want bad News

I suppose any publicity is good publicity, the only good thing that will come from this will be some of his songs climbing iTunes :lol:

Jordie chandler has admitted that he wanted money, and his dad forced him becuase he wanted money. And also wanted revenge becuase Michael didnt give his script to Speilburg. Theres a video clip with their voices taped admitting it. Search Youtube.

I know that the family wanted money, and the whole family wanting revenge etc. But still, it was a really weird relationship between a 40 year old man and a 14 year old. If it was anyone else, what would be the first thing that people would assume?

 

Gavin Arvizo was ill with cancer yes, the failed to mention Michael payed for all of his bills for him to get better. They also failed to mention his mum Janet is now in Jail for ABUSE and FRAUD. One person she tried to get money out of was Michael Jackson.

To be fair, they didn't really talk about Gavin much, and yes most of it was just a media circus over reacting. BUT after the Gavin fiasco, and then "Michael moving onto a cancer patient" in a similar way to Chandler, it's not doing Michael any justice.

 

Let me tell you, everything is revolved around Money, Michael Jackson is a vunerable man, and was taken advantaege of by these people thinking.. Hey wait a minute, If he pays out money to that guy, he will to us.

Thats WHAT most of it was about though, but it wasnt that that I found interesting.

 

It's just strange thats all, his behaviour. Michael carved out an image for himself and it's backfired on him, wether the alligations are true or false, it's himself who he has to blame.

I know that the family wanted money, and the whole family wanting revenge etc. But still, it was a really weird relationship between a 40 year old man and a 14 year old. If it was anyone else, what would be the first thing that people would assume?

 

To be fair, they didn't really talk about Gavin much, and yes most of it was just a media circus over reacting. BUT after the Gavin fiasco, and then "Michael moving onto a cancer patient" in a similar way to Chandler, it's not doing Michael any justice.

Thats WHAT most of it was about though, but it wasnt that that I found interesting.

 

It's just strange thats all, his behaviour. Michael carved out an image for himself and it's backfired on him, wether the alligations are true or false, it's himself who he has to blame.

 

:lol:... He lives a much simpler life than most would think.

 

He never carved out a life for himself in the respect of, this is Michael Jackson I am this freak who likes to have stories made up about me. As in what he wanted to acheive yes :)

 

I understand why people would think its strange he would have been early 30s in 1993 btw, and people say he slept in the same bed with him, No he didnt, He had sleepovers yes, but never in the same bed. And as for spending all day in the hotel room with flu, erm NO. He was out and about that day, there are pictures from the day.

 

And as for haivng him on his knee, well yano, Hes had a lot of different people bounce on his kneww Boys Girls Women etc, but they yet again slowed it down to make Michael look as though he was slowly bouncing Joride up and down his leg LMAO, no he was just bouncing his legs to the music that was playing at the awards.

 

Michael Jackson didnt have a childhood, and compensating for that, he enjoys the company, the Innocent company of children, and hes helped thousands of Children over the world. Just becuase he spends time with them a little differently than most poepl doesnt make him a child molester. He ahs never slept in a bed with a child, he would always offer the bed to the guest and he woudl sleep on the floor.

 

Michael said once before, they dont let him go anywhere, he remembers one time when he needed the bathroom, n they wouldnt let him go on his own.

 

Saying neverland is like a fly trap for kids. Oh please, Michael Loves the whole themepark stuff, Michael cant go to a themepark or go to the movies and stuff, so he has the money to build that behind his gates. I dont think you understandf when I say Neverland is his WORLD. Not just his home. As anywhere outside of there. He cant be left alone, or cant do regualr things like normal people becuase he gets mobbed.

 

The Bigger the Star The Bigger The Target.

 

 

 

Tbf though, you being biased, because your a Michael Jackson fan. Plus, how do you no that he DIDN'T sleep with those kids, for all you know he might of. It's just strange to see a full grown man who was/is the biggest superstar on the planet have a close relationship with a kid. :lol:

Tbf though, you being biased, because your a Michael Jackson fan. Plus, how do you no that he DIDN'T sleep with those kids, for all you know he might of. It's just strange to see a full grown man who was/is the biggest superstar on the planet have a close relationship with a kid. :lol:

 

Would you see it just as strange if It was a kid having such a close relationship with an adult, No one says nothing about that? Becuase Its Michael Jackson in the limelight.

 

Im not being biased as such, Ive said how I understand where your coming from, and comeback with my points.

 

When you feel so strongly about a subject, sometimes when you Just know something, I just know he enver did anything wrong.

 

Im 100% sure of his innocence. And this was proved in a court Of Law.

 

The only reasons its strange, is becuase no one has ever seen it before. Doesnt mean Its Abnormal Or Weird. Its Differant.

 

People class Different as Weird. And You cant Class Normal, Define Normal?

 

Id Understand If it came from a relaible source.

 

That man was paid Money to say he was a fan, and go and dig up Loads of untrue Rubbish.

 

Hes not broke. Hes worth over $1 billion.

 

Jordie chandler has admitted that he wanted money, and his dad forced him becuase he wanted money. And also wanted revenge becuase Michael didnt give his script to Speilburg. Theres a video clip with their voices taped admitting it. Search Youtube.

 

Gavin Arvizo was ill with cancer yes, the failed to mention Michael payed for all of his bills for him to get better. They also failed to mention his mum Janet is now in Jail for ABUSE and FRAUD. One person she tried to get money out of was Michael Jackson.

 

Let me put this question to you Josh, If Michael Molested your son, would the 1st thing you would do is ask for money? which is what both of those parents did.

 

They showed Michael in an extrememly negative light. Talking to people such as Fired Managers, who werent fired for Mixing it up, but was fired for betraying Michael, his team, again for Money. Diane Diamond, that b**ch has been down Michaels throat for Years. She just has a grudge against Michael. Shes just a stone cold b**ch.

 

As for the smaller things such as the whole Hotel Room thing, and Loving Little boys and stuff, there was never a moment where Michael would be alone with a boy, there would ALWAYS be someone there.

 

This was just another cheap shot at Michael, there are tons more lies on Youtube if youd like to ahve a browze.

 

Let me tell you, everything is revolved around Money, Michael Jackson is a vunerable man, and was taken advantaege of by these people thinking.. Hey wait a minute, If he pays out money to that guy, he will to us.

 

The Bigger The Star, The Bigger The Traget. Have you noticed they didnt speak to One of the many Jackson members, No one even close to Jackson?!?

 

Just a few people who were close within a distance once upon a time :lol:

 

I cant even begin to explain what a Joke that program was.

 

Everything they said I hit back out with the actual true comment. If i had the program here with me, Id disect it, and show you the truth.

 

Do Not believe that program, It twists the truth, and your just being manipluated by this man whos gone out and gotten a load of c**p together just to get midweek ratings.

 

People are attracted to negativity and Bad Publcicity. No one wants good news, they just want bad News

 

:rolleyes: :lol: as his ex-manager (of ^{SEVENTEEN YEARS} - hardly a distant contact, eh?) says - Michael Jackson's fans are fanatics - unable to accept the truth even when it's staring them in the face.

 

Far from Jackson being a 'victim' - when he targeted and abused Jordy Chandler, NOTHING was known about his fondness for young boys - so how can you say he was targeted? I'd say it was Michael Jackson who targeted Jordy Chandler, wouldn't you? Don't forget, far from Chandler's parents being poor drop-outs, his father was the most sought-after dentist in Beverley Hills - they hardly needed the money, they were already millionaires. As for this supposed 'tape' - balderdash - it's a fake - you can bet if it was the real deal, it would've wound up as evidence in Jackson's defense along the way somewhere. It never has. Why? Because it's a fraud.

 

You fail to mention the death threats Jordy Chandler and his family received from acquaintances of Michael Jackson. Cars being followed, homes being spied on, phones being tapped, silent phone calls.... Jordy Chandler was utterly TERRIFIED into silence over the whole affair and DEMANDED his father drop the case as he was losing his mind with worry and stress.

 

On to his second arrest - can you please explain why a book and several photographs were found in Michael Jackson's PERSONAL possessions showing graphic images of nude pre-pubescent boys? Hardly the kind of thing a man would keep in his possession, especially after his first paedophilia scare, wouldn't you think? And hardly the thing one would keep at all, whether it was bought by yourself or sent by a 'fan'. Inexplicable, surely? Unless, of course, these photographs and book were kept for his own sexual pleasure?

 

As for Jackson always being accompanied when he was with children (the err... "smaller" things as you bizarrely call them) - this is simply not true. Sworn statements at BOTH trials have stated this not to be the case - Jackson would more often than not take the children away to his own private quaters of Neverland which are totally separate from the rest of the house. He rarely let staff into these areas at all - he certainly didn't allow them in there when he was entertaining young boys.

 

I suggest you check out the Smoking Gun website - when I last checked, it held ALL statements for both abuse cases. The second abuse case undoubtedly had flaws - but the flaws were from the family and the mothers' behaviour - NOT from the evidence.

 

The Jordy Chandler case ranks with OJ Simpson as the biggest, gravest and most damaging case of justice simply not being done - ever.

 

Jackson's fans may be fanatics - but they'll never be as fanatical as the man is himself is.

 

About pre-pubescent young boys.

 

Case closed.

:rolleyes: :lol: as his ex-manager (of ^{SEVENTEEN YEARS} - hardly a distant contact, eh?) says - Michael Jackson's fans are fanatics - unable to accept the truth even when it's staring them in the face.

 

Far from Jackson being a 'victim' - when he targeted and abused Jordy Chandler, NOTHING was known about his fondness for young boys - so how can you say he was targeted? I'd say it was Michael Jackson who targeted Jordy Chandler, wouldn't you? Don't forget, far from Chandler's parents being poor drop-outs, his father was the most sought-after dentist in Beverley Hills - they hardly needed the money, they were already millionaires. As for this supposed 'tape' - balderdash - it's a fake - you can bet if it was the real deal, it would've wound up as evidence in Jackson's defense along the way somewhere. It never has. Why? Because it's a fraud.

 

You fail to mention the death threats Jordy Chandler and his family received from acquaintances of Michael Jackson. Cars being followed, homes being spied on, phones being tapped, silent phone calls.... Jordy Chandler was utterly TERRIFIED into silence over the whole affair and DEMANDED his father drop the case as he was losing his mind with worry and stress.

 

On to his second arrest - can you please explain why a book and several photographs were found in Michael Jackson's PERSONAL possessions showing graphic images of nude pre-pubescent boys? Hardly the kind of thing a man would keep in his possession, especially after his first paedophilia scare, wouldn't you think? And hardly the thing one would keep at all, whether it was bought by yourself or sent by a 'fan'. Inexplicable, surely? Unless, of course, these photographs and book were kept for his own sexual pleasure?

 

As for Jackson always being accompanied when he was with children (the err... "smaller" things as you bizarrely call them) - this is simply not true. Sworn statements at BOTH trials have stated this not to be the case - Jackson would more often than not take the children away to his own private quaters of Neverland which are totally separate from the rest of the house. He rarely let staff into these areas at all - he certainly didn't allow them in there when he was entertaining young boys.

 

I suggest you check out the Smoking Gun website - when I last checked, it held ALL statements for both abuse cases. The second abuse case undoubtedly had flaws - but the flaws were from the family and the mothers' behaviour - NOT from the evidence.

 

The Jordy Chandler case ranks with OJ Simpson as the biggest, gravest and most damaging case of justice simply not being done - ever.

 

Jackson's fans may be fanatics - but they'll never be as fanatical as the man is himself is.

 

About pre-pubescent young boys.

 

Case closed.

 

 

 

:lol: Arent we a wee tabloid reader sunshine?

 

Just because its in Print does not mean its the Gospel. Your information is a lod of absoloute rubbish though, its all made up by the press. I dont think you understand that.

 

The whole situatuion is so much simpler, but people go to these extremes. As to what happeend.

 

There is one word, and one word Only. MONEY.

 

And please quote Properly, it was extrememly hard to understand :)

 

Would you see it just as strange if It was a kid having such a close relationship with an adult, No one says nothing about that? Becuase Its Michael Jackson in the limelight.

 

If ANY cchild had a relationship with a total stranger as intense and unusual as Michael Jackson did with Jordy Chandler, OF COURSE you would think it odd. It has NOTHING to do with one of them being famous but EVERYTHING to do with the fact that adults simply CANNOT have such close 'relations' with a minor.

 

Im not being biased as such

 

yes you are. Totally and utterly.

 

Im 100% sure of his innocence. And this was proved in a court Of Law.

 

No it wasn't - the case fell apart in the second instance - he was never declared innocent or guilty.

 

And in the first instance, of course, he paid off his accuser. TWENTY ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

 

The only reasons its strange, is becuase no one has ever seen it before. Doesnt mean Its Abnormal Or Weird. Its Differant.

People class Different as Weird. And You cant Class Normal, Define Normal?

 

I'm all for individuality and everyone following different paths. However, don't you think sleeping in the same bed as a young non-relative person of the same sex is stretching it slightly? Taking naked baths with them (as Jackson admitted they did)? Keeping semi-pornographic photographs of the children he befriended? Letting cancer-ridden children get drunk in his company?

 

Let me clarify this with you - are you saying that over 125 witnesses, most of whom gave SWORN STATEMENTS are lying - but Michael Jackson is telling the truth?

 

Really?

 

:lol: Arent we a wee tabloid reader sunshine?

Is the Independent a tabloid, sunshine? P[lease don't even attempt to patronise me - you're really utterly, seriously onto a loser on that one - I promise you. Sunshine.

 

Your information is a lod of absoloute rubbish though, its all made up by the press. I dont think you understand that.

 

The information, as I stated, comes from ACTUAL COURT DOCUMENTS. Are these as 'rubbish' as you belive? I understand that fully. I'm not entirely sure YOU do, though, I'm afraid.

 

And please quote Properly, it was extrememly hard to understand :)

 

really? Why? Do you have reading difficulties? It was plain, proper and perfectly readable English - read it back - I just did - no problem ^_^

 

:lol: Arent we a wee tabloid reader sunshine?

 

Just because its in Print does not mean its the Gospel. Your information is a lod of absoloute rubbish though, its all made up by the press. I dont think you understand that.

 

The whole situatuion is so much simpler, but people go to these extremes. As to what happeend.

 

There is one word, and one word Only. MONEY.

 

And please quote Properly, it was extrememly hard to understand :)

Look at it this way, Imagine your mum or dad making friends with some 14 year old kid out on the street, and then becomming best mates with them by smothering them.

 

If my mum or dad did that, I would find it more then strange

Sworn statement by Jordy Chandler: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html

Threats to the 2nd family involved in qa lawsuit against Jackson: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michaeljackso...sonsearch1.html

Full detailed account of the 2nd case: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michaeljackso...605jackson.html

House of Porn - those photos of boys: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michaeljackso...cksonhouse.html

The Jordy Chandler pay-ff: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0616041jacko1.html

I believe that Michael Jackson is guilty for the crimes he was arrested for.

 

He paid of the victim with money. He is a disgusting creature of a man.

Edited October 24, 200717 yr by Gazza

Sworn statement by Jordy Chandler: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html

Threats to the 2nd family involved in qa lawsuit against Jackson: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michaeljackso...sonsearch1.html

Full detailed account of the 2nd case: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michaeljackso...605jackson.html

House of Porn - those photos of boys: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michaeljackso...cksonhouse.html

The Jordy Chandler pay-ff: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0616041jacko1.html

 

Oh wow, Thanks for that.

 

Its a very very interesting read.