He said "we (i.e. Britain) roll out the red carpet for foreigners while leaving the locals to fend for themselves". OK, that's not directly racist but it's pretty clear where his sentiments lie.

 

And THIS is just utterly laughable.... I'd love to see this prick get by on the below-minimum wage jobs that the vast majority of migrant labourers are forced into taking by exploitative employers.....

 

This man just has no clue of the experience of the migrant labour in this country... Typical of most of his kind, they certainly enjoy the benefits of a virtual underclass labour force, and then have the nerve to denigrate them..... Hmmm, I just wonder who it will be that serves him his tea and buttered scones in the House of Commons cafe, or serve him his glass of port in the House of Commons bar.......?? <_<

 

Typical middle class, middle england w/anker....

 

Umm, who did Hitler actually physically kill....?? No one to my knowledge....

 

... so hitler DIDNT order the holocaust then? it was done by his followers without his endorsement :lol:.

And THIS is just utterly laughable.... I'd love to see this prick get by on the below-minimum wage jobs that the vast majority of migrant labourers are forced into taking by exploitative employers.....

 

This man just has no clue of the experience of the migrant labour in this country... Typical of most of his kind, they certainly enjoy the benefits of a virtual underclass labour force, and then have the nerve to denigrate them..... Hmmm, I just wonder who it will be that serves him his tea and buttered scones in the House of Commons cafe, or serve him his glass of port in the House of Commons bar.......?? <_<

 

Typical middle class, middle england w/anker....

 

eh forced? ... you talk as if these migrants are all here against their will, that all are being exploited, they they have no choice!

 

yes it does go on, but hardly at the rate youd have us all believe.

 

... so hitler DIDNT order the holocaust then? it was done by his followers without his endorsement :lol:.

 

Way to miss the point.. Again... I'm talking about actually committing the act of murder, getting your hands dirty, actually pulling the trigger, or turning on the gas chamber... Hitler didn't do any of that, he made speeches and signed paperwork, he let others do the actual dirty work.... He was a stinking coward, a hypocrite who would never have the guts to do those things actually himself..... <_<

 

 

yes it does go on, but hardly at the rate youd have us all believe.

 

 

And I think you totally underestimate the actual rate that it does occur.... You look at things like the Chinese cockle pickers and think that it's just the criminal gangs who exploit poor immigrants, well it's not, very far from it... It's the seemingly "respectable" businesses that are doing the lions share of the exploitation, family names such as McDonalds, Burger King, Tesco, Morrisons, the whole "minimum wage" thing is a joke; Multinational Corporations who totally shaft workers in third world countries... It's all part and parcel of the same thing my friend - the exploitation of the Global working classes, whether at home or abroad, whether indigenous or migrant labour.... Globalisation has only led to exploitation on a Global scale.....

 

But then, I wouldn't expect someone who lives in the comfort of the middle-england suburbs to actually understand or appreciate that... You moan about "bloody immigrants", but say bugger all about the companies that fukk them over and drive down the wages for indigenous labour... Howabout blaming the employers and these dodgy work agencies for a change and NOT the workers who have absolutely NO control over how much they are paid and when....

Way to miss the point.. Again... I'm talking about actually committing the act of murder, getting your hands dirty, actually pulling the trigger, or turning on the gas chamber... Hitler didn't do any of that, he made speeches and signed paperwork, he let others do the actual dirty work.... He was a stinking coward, a hypocrite who would never have the guts to do those things actually himself..... <_<

 

i fully understood your point... which is pretty riddiculous tbh... so hitler didnt 'pull the trigger'.. and? your supposition that he "hadnt the guts to do the things himself" is pure speculation. you have no idea on wether he would or not.

And I think you totally underestimate the actual rate that it does occur.... You look at things like the Chinese cockle pickers and think that it's just the criminal gangs who exploit poor immigrants, well it's not, very far from it... It's the seemingly "respectable" businesses that are doing the lions share of the exploitation, family names such as McDonalds, Burger King, Tesco, Morrisons, the whole "minimum wage" thing is a joke; Multinational Corporations who totally shaft workers in third world countries... It's all part and parcel of the same thing my friend - the exploitation of the Global working classes, whether at home or abroad, whether indigenous or migrant labour.... Globalisation has only led to exploitation on a Global scale.....

 

But then, I wouldn't expect someone who lives in the comfort of the middle-england suburbs to actually understand or appreciate that... You moan about "bloody immigrants", but say bugger all about the companies that fukk them over and drive down the wages for indigenous labour... Howabout blaming the employers and these dodgy work agencies for a change and NOT the workers who have absolutely NO control over how much they are paid and when....

 

i dont agree with the exploitation, but who are you to know exactly how much of it is going on? and if things are so bad then why do these people still do it?.. but what you always do is wander off the subject, the argument ISNT shafting third world workers, even though its linked. start a thread to moan about that! it looks highly likely that enochs predictions are coming true... if so then its only a matter of time before violence starts.

it looks highly likely that enochs predictions are coming true... if so then its only a matter of time before violence starts.

 

And it will happen if small minded bigots like Powell and the NF/BNP, not to mention this idiot tory tw@t are allowed free reign..... And given his anti-Scottish opinions, it wont just be black or asian folks baying for his blood.... <_<

 

And frankly, I'm seriously concerned about some of your rather iffy opinions as well tbh.... If you cant talk about the issue without denigrating people, then frankly I would rather you said nothing at all.....

 

but what you always do is wander off the subject, the argument ISNT shafting third world workers, even though its linked.

 

You just said it's linked, so how is it "wandering off the subject"....? You're contradicting yourself here mate... :P The facts are, that people like him benefit a hell of a lot off the backs of low-paid migrant workers, and for him to so crassly insult and denigrate the people who serve in the shops, who change the linen in the hotel rooms that he no doubt frequents on various junkets and conferences, who act as au pairs and nannies for the parents of middle-class britain, who clean out his garbage. who come up to repair his blocked drains and sinks, and numerous other things I could certainly mention, is grossly offensive not only to immigrants, but to the working classes all over the world.....

 

In short, the man's an utter c/unt who is unfit to hold public office.... Just like the Tories in general really.... If there were no immigrants to beat up on, they'd go back to beating up on the indigenous working classes, just like they did when they were in power..... I see exactly what his kind are doing - driving a wedge between indigenous and migrant workers, when we should actually all be coming together to demand better pay and conditions from employers, like they do in France, like they do in Germany, like they do in Scandinavia....

 

Just because migrants happen to be willing to work for a sh!t wage, mainly because they happen to have a much stronger work ethic than the lazy chav b/astards who do bugger all but breed and leech off the system, doesn't mean they are automatically happy about it, they just dont wanna rock the boat because of the position they're in where they could be sacked at a moment's notice if they make too many waves. What needs to happen is to get these workers Unionised and properly integrated into the system.....

You just said it's linked, so how is it "wandering off the subject"....? You're contradicting yourself here mate... :P The facts are, that people like him benefit a hell of a lot off the backs of low-paid migrant workers, and for him to so crassly insult and denigrate the people who serve in the shops, who change the linen in the hotel rooms that he no doubt frequents on various junkets and conferences, who act as au pairs and nannies for the parents of middle-class britain, who clean out his garbage. who come up to repair his blocked drains and sinks, and numerous other things I could certainly mention, is grossly offensive not only to immigrants, but to the working classes all over the world.....

 

In short, the man's an utter c/unt who is unfit to hold public office.... Just like the Tories in general really.... If there were no immigrants to beat up on, they'd go back to beating up on the indigenous working classes, just like they did when they were in power..... I see exactly what his kind are doing - driving a wedge between indigenous and migrant workers, when we should actually all be coming together to demand better pay and conditions from employers, like they do in France, like they do in Germany, like they do in Scandinavia....

 

Just because migrants happen to be willing to work for a sh!t wage, mainly because they happen to have a much stronger work ethic than the lazy chav b/astards who do bugger all but breed and leech off the system, doesn't mean they are automatically happy about it, they just dont wanna rock the boat because of the position they're in where they could be sacked at a moment's notice if they make too many waves. What needs to happen is to get these workers Unionised and properly integrated into the system.....

 

no... what you do is cloud the issue by bringing in loads of other topics that might be related but arnt pertainent.

 

the thread was about enoch being right.... (not in his sentiments, but in his predictions) which he was, and the silly anti british pc brigade forced out this politician for stating what was truth!

no... what you do is cloud the issue by bringing in loads of other topics that might be related but arnt pertainent.

 

Well, excuse me for widening the debate.... Sorry, but the issue aint just about one alive Tory c/unt and one dead Tory racist... It's about the whole thing... And Enoch Powell may have had one or two good points and concerns that he brought up, but he chose to do it in the most unforgiveably VILE manner possible, and I just refuse to listen to it. For all his intelligence and his oratory skills, he should have been able to make the speech without the bile, and dont give me this c**p about him being "racist by default" like that's some sort of excuse, he was a bloody POLITICIAN, he should have been capable of bottling some of the acid. People like Powell were part of the problem and the whole reason why society had to change in the 60s and 70s... Or are you just one of these lazy gits like Peter Hitchins, who believes that the social and cultural revolutions of the 60s are somehow to blame for all of society's ills in 2007...? And that everything was "fine and dandy" in the "good old days" of 'Victorian' values.....?

 

Until you can actually have a grown up debate on immigration in our society WITHOUT resorting to lazy stereotypes, denigrating hard working people who benefit our society and our economy, and listing off quotes by bigoted old racist dinosaurs, then, sorry, but us DECENT, NON-RACIST, NON-XENOPHOBIC people are NOT gonna listen to it.... And I'm certainly NOT gonna listen to an ignorant cretin who sounds off for no good fukkin' reason against MY people..... <_< <_< Xenophobic AND Anti-Scottish.... What an utter arse, good riddance to him.....

i fully understood your point... which is pretty riddiculous tbh... so hitler didnt 'pull the trigger'.. and? your supposition that he "hadnt the guts to do the things himself" is pure speculation. you have no idea on wether he would or not.

 

 

No, it's not ridiculous at all... Hitler had others do his dirty work, that is my point.... Speculation...? I dont think so, the only thing that impotent little one-bollocked turd had the "courage" to do was to issue poison to his lover and put down his own dog, then shoot himself.... He took the easy way out... A coward's way out.... To say otherwise is to give him more credit than he's due.....

Well, excuse me for widening the debate.... Sorry, but the issue aint just about one alive Tory c/unt and one dead Tory racist... It's about the whole thing... And Enoch Powell may have had one or two good points and concerns that he brought up, but he chose to do it in the most unforgiveably VILE manner possible, and I just refuse to listen to it. For all his intelligence and his oratory skills, he should have been able to make the speech without the bile, and dont give me this c**p about him being "racist by default" like that's some sort of excuse, he was a bloody POLITICIAN, he should have been capable of bottling some of the acid. People like Powell were part of the problem and the whole reason why society had to change in the 60s and 70s... Or are you just one of these lazy gits like Peter Hitchins, who believes that the social and cultural revolutions of the 60s are somehow to blame for all of society's ills in 2007...? And that everything was "fine and dandy" in the "good old days" of 'Victorian' values.....?

 

Until you can actually have a grown up debate on immigration in our society WITHOUT resorting to lazy stereotypes, denigrating hard working people who benefit our society and our economy, and listing off quotes by bigoted old racist dinosaurs, then, sorry, but us DECENT, NON-RACIST, NON-XENOPHOBIC people are NOT gonna listen to it.... And I'm certainly NOT gonna listen to an ignorant cretin who sounds off for no good fukkin' reason against MY people..... <_< <_< Xenophobic AND Anti-Scottish.... What an utter arse, good riddance to him.....

 

but you HAVE to view it in the context of the times when racism WAS inherant by default, you simply cant judge society then by todays more enlightend values, true by todays values enochs rantings are not acceptable, but in 1968 they were, period.

 

well i do actually believe that peter hitchens views have some foundation. why? well because i think that the social and cultural revolutions of the 60's and 70's (id argue 'punk' was as influencial as 'hippy', finishing off what 'hippy' started) because whilst they addressed some issues (equality for eg) they let other areas slip... respect, for eg, has all but gone out of the window along with discipline. the anti english pc brigade has imho mis-reprisented what the 60's and 70's revolutions were about... like some fundamental religious group, taking the salient points way out of context to create their own agenda and in so doing has perverted the original intention.

 

you dont come across as a 'decent, non -racist, non- xenophobic' person as you clearly have a problem with the english! :P

you dont come across as a 'decent, non -racist, non- xenophobic' person as you clearly have a problem with the english! :P

 

Not really, I just have a problem with your attitudes, your arrogance, and your constant banging on about St George's day and "Englishness" just makes me laugh to be honest.... :lol: It's not a problem with all English people, those in the North are usually very sound people, places like Yorkshire, Lancashire, Newcastle, so on... The Southerners however..... -_-

but you HAVE to view it in the context of the times when racism WAS inherant by default, you simply cant judge society then by todays more enlightend values, true by todays values enochs rantings are not acceptable, but in 1968 they were, period.

 

 

Mate, if those opinions were "acceptable" in 1968, it wouldn't have caused so much of a total sh!tstorm at the time... And frankly, I dont believe that in '68 attitudes like Powell's were really all that acceptable at all, things had changed, Vietnam was going on, the Counter Culture, Civil Rights Movements, The May "revolution" in Paris etc, Powell was a King Cnute standing against the unstoppable wave of social change, a pathetic old racist dinosaur who deserves no more respect or credit than the revisionist "theories" of people like David Irvine.... He was rightly washed away into ignominy, and there he should remain.... His words were a definite causal factor in the racist violence of the NF in the 70s and 80s, frankly, he should've been made legally culpable for what they did....

 

Next you'll be "re-assessing" Oswald fukkin' Mosely and the sodding brownshirts.... <_<

respect, for eg, has all but gone out of the window along with discipline.

 

That wasn't as a result of the 60s mate, that was a result of the Thatcher Anti-Revolution of the 80s.... She disenfranchised huge swathes of the nation, basically creating a "jilted generation", she robbed people of self respect, therefore how would these people be expected to have any respect for others if they have none for themselves....? And, I would argue that discipline has become a factor simply because of the removal of corporal punishment from schools, but again, this did not happen until LONG after the social changes of the 60s - I still remember the belt being in schools in the early 80s, so I dont think it's fair to pin the blame for that one on the 60s either....

 

Nah mate, Thatch is to blame for the fukked up society we now live in far more than the ideas of 60s....

 

That wasn't as a result of the 60s mate, that was a result of the Thatcher Anti-Revolution of the 80s.... She disenfranchised huge swathes of the nation, basically creating a "jilted generation", she robbed people of self respect, therefore how would these people be expected to have any respect for others if they have none for themselves....? And, I would argue that discipline has become a factor simply because of the removal of corporal punishment from schools, but again, this did not happen until LONG after the social changes of the 60s - I still remember the belt being in schools in the early 80s, so I dont think it's fair to pin the blame for that one on the 60s either....

 

Nah mate, Thatch is to blame for the fukked up society we now live in far more than the ideas of 60s....

 

nah... thatcher merely finished what the 60's started. corporal punishment was abandoned by the time i left school in '73, long before thatcher was even much of a name (apart from 'milk snatcher')

 

i dont agree that the 'disenfranchisement' of large swathes of society were totally down to thatcher, they were already forming in the 70's with huge unemployment, weak labour government and strong unions. its the 'hippy liberals' with roots well into the 60's that has created the pc silly world we live in, a movement that had started long before thatcher was in power. thatcher was only in part guilty, she is not solely to blame.

Mate, if those opinions were "acceptable" in 1968, it wouldn't have caused so much of a total sh!tstorm at the time... And frankly, I dont believe that in '68 attitudes like Powell's were really all that acceptable at all, things had changed, Vietnam was going on, the Counter Culture, Civil Rights Movements, The May "revolution" in Paris etc, Powell was a King Cnute standing against the unstoppable wave of social change, a pathetic old racist dinosaur who deserves no more respect or credit than the revisionist "theories" of people like David Irvine.... He was rightly washed away into ignominy, and there he should remain.... His words were a definite causal factor in the racist violence of the NF in the 70s and 80s, frankly, he should've been made legally culpable for what they did....

 

Next you'll be "re-assessing" Oswald fukkin' Mosely and the sodding brownshirts.... <_<

 

those opinions were on the edge of 'acceptability' in '68, many people agreed with enoch, and yet again his predictions seem to be pretty much correct.

 

nonsense.... when ever did enoch support violence towards anyone? should all politicians say nowt just in case some extremists use their words to justify criminal acts of violence?.. thats barmy.

its the 'hippy liberals' with roots well into the 60's that has created the pc silly world we live in

 

So you would have us go back to the "good old days" then yeah....? When a "woman's place" was in the home, when we called people "darkie" or "coon", make abortion and homosexuality illegal again...? You slag off the hippy liberals of the 60s, but at least their changes were largely for the good of society and empowered ordinary people more, whereas Thatcher's changes were almost entirely negative and robbed us of power....

 

And now you have the Nu Labor govt robbing us of even more power and liberties....

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need to be more like the French and Germans and stand up for ourselves a bit more against the state....

Not really, I just have a problem with your attitudes, your arrogance, and your constant banging on about St George's day and "Englishness" just makes me laugh to be honest.... :lol: It's not a problem with all English people, those in the North are usually very sound people, places like Yorkshire, Lancashire, Newcastle, so on... The Southerners however..... -_-

 

so whats wrong with being english?... oh thats a stupid question to ask a scot with a 200 year old chip on his shoulder.. <_< .

 

im sick and tired of traditional english values and way of life being eroded by the moronic pc brigade... as if its a CRIME to be english! you are one of the biggest 'anglophobes' ive ever met, course if the english were black then youd be a racist <_< . man if you hate england that much then fcuk off back north of the boarder.