You just dont have any logical arguments to counter to mine and Suedehead's perfectly legit concerns about this whole thing, so you'll resort to being abusive and silly "arguments" which are nothing more than a petulant child chucking all their toys out of a pram... GROW UP MATE.... Who said anything about "chucking it out"?? I'm saying it should only be targeted against crims and offenders, not ordinary Joe Public.... I'm not particularly concerned with the rights of criminals, I'm concerned with MY rights to have MY privacy and MY liberties as a law abiding citizen respected by this fukkin Govt, the Govt has NO right to catalogue, control or watch me without a damn good reason, bottom line, and if you dont get that simple argument then bugger off and live in relatively crime-free Saudi Arabia or China mate if that's the sort of society you want to live in.... I want Britain to be FREE even if that does mean a slight chance of an increase in criminality, it sure beats the Saudi/Chinese alternative.....

 

The facts are, the Govt would disseminate this information on our DNA to just about anyone who would bid for it, if the watchdog system that's in place to stop companies getting X-directory numbers is pretty ineffective, then I seriously doubt any "DNA Watchdog" will maintain the integrity of a National DNA database either, and I would say it was a hell of a more important issue than just a few phone numbers going astray, you can change your number pretty easily, not so easy to change your DNA, unless you're willing to go through some incredibly painful bone marrow transplant surgery.... You're gonna willingly give these b/astards your DNA, the very thing that makes you who you are, the very essence of your being, probably the most personal, private thing about yourself....???? Than you're a fool, and you'd may as well give the buggers your house keys and 24/7 access to your house while you're at it, because "if you've nothing to hide...." and all that...... <_<

 

but it ISNT 'fact' as its not yet happend , its your supposition that the government would abuse it and to support your 'theory' you conveiniantly 'dis' the dna watchdog even before theres one in place TO 'dis'. its all speculation .

 

yeah im pretty tired of you supporting crims, giving the scum free range to get away with anything they can. we ARNT free if we have the threat of crime hanging over us. the crime ridden society we live in is so as a result of wishy washy do gooder liberals spouting about 'human rights' all the time when in fact the only humans seem to be benefitting are the fcuking crims! "even if crime might go up abit"? are you joking?... itll run rampant wild in your world.

 

bottom line.... crime needs to be brought down and we have to pay in any way we can. we have to move foreward and create a more civilised society, theres no reason why dna and cctv cant be used responsably .

 

 

Police spend far too much time doing paperwork and not enough time out on the beat policing, to book a suspect involves some THIRTEEN forms which is absolutely ridiculous :manson: the officers should be out policing and catching criminals not filling out forms

I think that private security companies should be given powers of arrest and even do street patrols and so on to lessen the load on the police force, private security companies should be given far greater powers, neighbourhoods where there is a chav problem could for instance have Group 4 or Securicor or one of those companies doing patrols and the government foot the bill and private firms could do beat policing too to have a more visible presence on the streets

 

I've often wondered why the police department don't have clerical staff to fill in the forms.

The police could just use a dictaphone to tape the facts or necessary information and just give the tape to the typists to type out.

It might cost a bit out of the budget but it would free up all police to spend their time on the beat and not in front of keyboard.

yeah im pretty tired of you supporting crims, giving the scum free range to get away with anything they can.

 

If you honestly believe that is what I'm advocating, then there really is no reasoning with you... I tire of this pathetic argument tbh, you're a right wing reactionary Daily Mail-reading fascist and I'm a wishy-washy liberal do-gooder......

 

WHATEVAAAAAA!!!!!! -_-

I've often wondered why the police department don't have clerical staff to fill in the forms.

 

They do employ civilian clerical staff actually, that's the weird thing..... :blink:

 

If you honestly believe that is what I'm advocating, then there really is no reasoning with you... I tire of this pathetic argument tbh, you're a right wing reactionary Daily Mail-reading fascist and I'm a wishy-washy liberal do-gooder......

 

WHATEVAAAAAA!!!!!! -_-

 

thats how you are coming across, as you seem to be against anything that will help curb/catch/convict criminal activity.... bemoaning cctv for eg when its been an invaluable tool fighting crime, you focus on the trivial misuse or possible misuse of the system instead of the overwhemling good it does. ok the dna argument is one that needs addressing, but if safegaurds could be initiated then surely its proving to be another invaluable tool.

thats how you are coming across, as you seem to be against anything that will help curb/catch/convict criminal activity.... bemoaning cctv for eg when its been an invaluable tool fighting crime, you focus on the trivial misuse or possible misuse of the system instead of the overwhemling good it does. ok the dna argument is one that needs addressing, but if safegaurds could be initiated then surely its proving to be another invaluable tool.

 

I dont object to the idea of CCTV, just the way it's being used to such vociferous effect, and the way it could be used to spy on perfectly legit activities such as demos, activities of pressure groups and other political organisations that the Govt may not like very much.... When I was on the big Anti-War demo a few years ago, I personally spotted dozens of coppers filming the demonstration, filming protestors, taking photographs of people and so on.... Talk about total abuse of power.... And no, it AINT the same thing as TV camera crews filming the demo, and dont give me any BS about it being for "security" purposes, there were dozens of film crews there, filming every angle, so if anything did kick off it was gonna be filmed anyway... Why the need for the police to do it....? No, I believe their intent was of more sinister nature....

I dont object to the idea of CCTV, just the way it's being used to such vociferous effect, and the way it could be used to spy on perfectly legit activities such as demos, activities of pressure groups and other political organisations that the Govt may not like very much.... When I was on the big Anti-War demo a few years ago, I personally spotted dozens of coppers filming the demonstration, filming protestors, taking photographs of people and so on.... Talk about total abuse of power.... And no, it AINT the same thing as TV camera crews filming the demo, and dont give me any BS about it being for "security" purposes, there were dozens of film crews there, filming every angle, so if anything did kick off it was gonna be filmed anyway... Why the need for the police to do it....? No, I believe their intent was of more sinister nature....

 

hmm.... im in two minds about that, i can see your concerns in that case but on the other hand isnt identifying possible criminals legit?..

 

time up, gotta go..

hmm.... im in two minds about that, i can see your concerns in that case but on the other hand isnt identifying possible criminals legit?..

 

Like I say though, loads of TV camera crews, CCTV all over that particular area of London. Police could easily get footage from either source.... Nah mate, I really think there was dodgy intent, possibly even involvment with Special Branch or MI5 as well..... Police doing the bidding of Whitehall if you ask me.....

but you know as well as i do that peaceful, legit demo's have been hi-jacked by trouble makers with no real interest in the issue... and after years of this surveilance what harm has it done us?... i dont buy your conspiracy theory here scott, i see no evidence of anything out of line doing anybody any harm.

but you know as well as i do that peaceful, legit demo's have been hi-jacked by trouble makers with no real interest in the issue... and after years of this surveilance what harm has it done us?... i dont buy your conspiracy theory here scott, i see no evidence of anything out of line doing anybody any harm.

 

 

Mate, I've been on loads of demos, and yeah, you do get a few like that, but the vast majority of the time it is the POLICE who deliberately try to provoke a reaction out of a crowd of protestors so they can justify wading in with the horses and truncheons, I've seen plenty of their tactics in action.. And if they go around filming and photographing people so brazenly which cant fail to do anything other than raise hackles and wind people up, do you think that'll make things more or less likely to kick off....?

 

You "dont see any harm" because you dont see the sh!t I see, you're pretty safe in your nice little suburb.... You're middle class and white, your experience of the police is overwhelmingly positive, not so for many others in this country, including some black and asian friends of mine, and if you cant see or appreciate that, well, then we've nothing to really talk about..... -_-

You "dont see any harm" because you dont see the sh!t I see, you're pretty safe in your nice little suburb.... You're middle class and white, your experience of the police is overwhelmingly positive, not so for many others in this country, including some black and asian friends of mine, and if you cant see or appreciate that, well, then we've nothing to really talk about..... -_-

 

but i CAN only talk about what i know, my experiences and what ive heard.... i cant argue second hand evidence, i make NO apology for being white WORKING CLASS and living in a suburb... in fact id suggest that your point highlights the negatives of big city/multi ethnic living...