I disagree, mate - the Poles are far harder and better workers... their problem in finding better paid jobs or jobs more suited to their skills is the language barrier.

 

Yeah, but Russt, language was hardly a barrier to the 80s era of the "Auf Wiedersehen Pet" British workers who went over to Germany. My point is, the Brits got the same going rate as the Germans, and were treated a damn sight better than the Turkish "Gastarbeiters", even though language would've been a barrier to both sets of workers. It aint fair, it aint just, and it borders on bloody racism as far as I'm concerned....

I have no problem with poles or anyone from any nationality coming here and working, if they come to sponge off the social then they should be deported and given a hefty boot up the backside by a customs officer as they are leaving but I welcome anyone of any nationality in this country if they are working

 

Poles are not denying English people jobs, the English unemployed are too ****ing lazy to apply for these jobs so the Poles are merely operating on supply and demand and are doing largely unskilled low paid jobs, the English are too happy living on benefits to do menial jobs so good on the poles I say

 

The polish influx reminds me of the influx of blacks coming into London in the 60's and taking cleaning jobs and bus conductor jobs and driving buses, the English were lazy $h!ts so never applied for them so London Transport ended up recruiting from overseas

 

If there is a change of attitude from the English unemployed there would be no need to recruit foreign labour but for English guys claiming the dole they won't get off their fat arses unless it is for a managing director role

 

Well, you couldn't really deport a lazy Polish person any more than you could deport a lazy French or lazy German as we're all in the EU now..... :lol: :lol:

 

 

Well, you couldn't really deport a lazy Polish person any more than you could deport a lazy French or lazy German as we're all in the EU now..... :lol: :lol:

 

LOL good point :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Its been a long day lol

LOL good point :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Its been a long day lol

 

Apparently out of a population of 100,000 or so, less than 30 Polish people in UK are claiming benefits...... :o Quite phenomenal really..... Geez, work that out as a percentage..... :lol: :lol:

 

Apparently out of a population of 100,000 or so, less than 30 Polish people in UK are claiming benefits...... :o Quite phenomenal really..... Geez, work that out as a percentage..... :lol: :lol:

 

Wish the same could be said about our countrymen :) there is no real excuse for anyone English to be out of work unless they have some sort of physical or mental impediment that prevents them from doing work

 

Everywhere I go there are vacancies yet none of the English unemployed particularly the young seem to want to fill them

 

The poles have my admiration :) same way as I admire the Indians who keep corner shops open till 11pm etc

 

The sooner the government brings in Work For Your Dole the better although that is a different subject of course ;)

Wish the same could be said about our countrymen :) there is no real excuse for anyone English to be out of work unless they have some sort of physical or mental impediment that prevents them from doing work

 

Everywhere I go there are vacancies yet none of the English unemployed particularly the young seem to want to fill them

 

The poles have my admiration :) same way as I admire the Indians who keep corner shops open till 11pm etc

 

The sooner the government brings in Work For Your Dole the better although that is a different subject of course ;)

 

Ozzy - I can only presume you've failed to ever visit the Welsh valleys - there are ZERO jobs here - literally... and the transport system is so crazily messed up and unreliable, there's no way anyone could hold as job in Cardiff because it's impossible t get there on time on any form of public transport from these areas.

 

I went to one of the only job centres in the whole of the Welsh valleys with an unemployed friend of mine last week - and it's shocking how few jobs there are - literally a handful - so, whilst there may be ample work for people in England, Thatcher ensured there was zero employment whatsoever in the valleys for the people working there. Obviously as a repayment for the total lack of support she received in each election in these areas.

Yeah, but Russt, language was hardly a barrier to the 80s era of the "Auf Wiedersehen Pet" British workers who went over to Germany. My point is, the Brits got the same going rate as the Germans, and were treated a damn sight better than the Turkish "Gastarbeiters", even though language would've been a barrier to both sets of workers. It aint fair, it aint just, and it borders on bloody racism as far as I'm concerned....

 

 

those workers you mention, the Auf Weidersehen Pet ones - they were there on longterm, but ultimately TEMPORARY contracts and usually working for UK-based firms. Plus - 90% of Germans have at least a working knowledge of English.... the Poles who arrive in Britain are MOVING here, and to move lock stock and barrel to a country that you have zero knowledge of the lingo is, at best, rude, at worst lazy and ignorant.

 

I can't see the benefit of allowing ANY foreign person into the UK to live if they cannot speak English - it should be a MUST that anyone arriving here is, if not fluent, has at least a broad, basic knowledge of the language. If you don't, if these people can't be arsed to do this - why should we allow them here?

lol.... that was a nice juicy read!

 

i have no opinion on current poles or any other economic migrants as i dont mix with any, however when i was employed by derby city council we had several poles in the workforce. all were very hard working, they had a good work ethic that put our lazy local men to shame.

those workers you mention, the Auf Weidersehen Pet ones - they were there on longterm, but ultimately TEMPORARY contracts and usually working for UK-based firms. Plus - 90% of Germans have at least a working knowledge of English.... the Poles who arrive in Britain are MOVING here, and to move lock stock and barrel to a country that you have zero knowledge of the lingo is, at best, rude, at worst lazy and ignorant.

 

I can't see the benefit of allowing ANY foreign person into the UK to live if they cannot speak English - it should be a MUST that anyone arriving here is, if not fluent, has at least a broad, basic knowledge of the language. If you don't, if these people can't be arsed to do this - why should we allow them here?

 

Not all Polish people who are working here are here for the lone haul Russ, quite a lot are actually brought over on short-term contracts (3, 6 or 12 months, there are many employment agencies who specialize in this sort of thing...), then they're off to maybe France, Germany, Italy... No point in learning the lingo if they aint gonna be sticking round long. Pretty much all the ones who I know who have moved here permanently have got good to excellent standards of English (my girlfriend is educated to degree level and has an advanced English diploma)...

 

And I'm not sure that 90% of Germans were fluent English speakers in the early 80s, I remember being on holiday in Southern Germany back then and I maybe only met a few Gemans who spoke English well enough for us to have a decent conversation.

 

And I must say, for an admirer of Tony Benn, I am somewhat disappointed in your attitude Russ, I'm pretty damn sure Mr Benn would be as outraged as I am at the fact that Polish construction workers only get paid half or two thirds of what their British counterparts do for doing essentially the same jobs; Benn being a life-long advocate of Workers' Rights, whether they are domestic or foreign....

all were very hard working, they had a good work ethic that put our lazy local men to shame.

 

All the more reason for 'em to be paid the going rate then, innit....? ;)

Read an article in one of the dailys you hate Scott,which kind of backs your experiences of Polish workers. Here in Scotland 16,000 poles have settled in the last 2 years alone, and there are now about 70, 000 in total which makes them the 3rd biggest national group in Scotland. The vast majority are in work, the only slight downside I suppose is that the ones highlighted in the article don't work in highly paid jobs. Sample worked in catering,chambermaid,glass works,old folks home,shopworker.

 

But in the main they are welcomed here as Scotland is suffering a population decline for many years, Scotland is openly advertising in Poland for dentists etc.

 

So I agree with you, I don't see it as a problem, in fact my best mate is 2nd generation from poland, wish I could spell his surname though, :D

there are about 5 polish workers at my dads work, and i've met alot of them! And they are some of the nicest people you would ever meet! :D

The upside of all this, being shallow here, is that the Poles, almost without exception, are bloody gorgeous... what a great looking bunch :P ;)

Edited May 19, 200619 yr by russt68

The upside of all this, being shallow here, is that the Poles, almost without exception, are bloody gorgeous... what a great looking bunch :P ;)

 

:lol: :lol: Well, my girlfriend's a hottie..... :wub: She's 30, but looks about 10 years younger, I have to buy alcohol when we go to the supermarket cos she gets IDed.... :lol: :lol:

 

 

Read an article in one of the dailys you hate Scott,which kind of backs your experiences of Polish workers. Here in Scotland 16,000 poles have settled in the last 2 years alone, and there are now about 70, 000 in total which makes them the 3rd biggest national group in Scotland. The vast majority are in work, the only slight downside I suppose is that the ones highlighted in the article don't work in highly paid jobs. Sample worked in catering,chambermaid,glass works,old folks home,shopworker.

 

But in the main they are welcomed here as Scotland is suffering a population decline for many years, Scotland is openly advertising in Poland for dentists etc.

 

So I agree with you, I don't see it as a problem, in fact my best mate is 2nd generation from poland, wish I could spell his surname though, :D

 

Daily Record...? :unsure: Well I suppose the main reason for Scotland's population decline is because of Scots such as myself moving moving down south or emigrating. I actually watched a news prog in which many Catholic diocese were specifically recruiting Polish priests because of the lack of people in UK studying to be Priests....