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Pop Music - was it invented in the UK in 1963???

not popular music in general but the idea of the term 'Pop music' - the using of pop for popular - Pop sounds like a groovy and fab type of swinging sixties word - just like Fab in fact - did it originate around the start of the beatles/merseybeat or did people use it generaly before or was it just 'rock n roll???'

where did pop music come from???

I think "bubble gum" Pop definately originated from the U.K back in the 60s.

I always thought of the Beatles as being rock'n'roll but then you put them up against a band like The Rolling Stones who

were around at the same the time, and the Beatles sound cheesey in comparison.

 

I always thought Pop started out as a term to describe Popular Music. And what was Popular at the time was cheesey/bubblegum Pop.

So the term kind of stuck for that kind of music. IMO as I really don't know for sure.

 

BTW I love the Beatles and so am using the term cheesey/bubblegum as a descriptive term as everyone seems to know what kind of

Pop I mean. :)

 

 

 

 

 

pop music started with the beatles.... simple as.

 

i was around in the 60's and i know the terminology that was used.

 

this bothers me greatly as todays youth are re-writing history, applying todays (evolved) standards upon yesterdays world. pop music started with the first pop group...the beatles, they were the template that every pop group, rock group has followed ever since.

 

pop music did mean 'popular', and the early/mid 60's were influenced by the previous music so did have a 'rock n roll' edge to it before it evolved into 'merseybeat' and british r&b. pop music has always changed with the times and fashions, this confuses the young as they like to pidgeonhole music.. but just as merseybeat was pop, so was glam, punk, s.a.w. and todays 'indie' (which ISNT indie... its good old fashioned POP) pop doesnt have 1 style, it has many and is contemporary of the time.

 

sorry naomi 'bubblegum' wasnt british, but was american... new york in fact where steve kastenetz and omri katz (producers) created the sound in '68.

Pop was first applied in the 1950s with the crooners like Sinatra and it was used to describe the pre-Beatles wave of pop from acts such as Adam Faith, Billy Fury etc

I think "bubble gum" Pop definately originated from the U.K back in the 60s.

I always thought of the Beatles as being rock'n'roll but then you put them up against a band like The Rolling Stones who

were around at the same the time, and the Beatles sound cheesey in comparison.

 

I always thought Pop started out as a term to describe Popular Music. And what was Popular at the time was cheesey/bubblegum Pop.

So the term kind of stuck for that kind of music. IMO as I really don't know for sure.

 

BTW I love the Beatles and so am using the term cheesey/bubblegum as a descriptive term as everyone seems to know what kind of

Pop I mean. :)

pop music did mean 'popular', and the early/mid 60's were influenced by the previous music so did have a 'rock n roll' edge to it before it evolved into 'merseybeat' and british r&b. pop music has always changed with the times and fashions, this confuses the young as they like to pidgeonhole music.. but just as merseybeat was pop, so was glam, punk, s.a.w. and todays 'indie' (which ISNT indie... its good old fashioned POP) pop doesnt have 1 style, it has many and is contemporary of the time.

 

yeah your both kinda right - think with indie there is another argument - is it pop? is it rock - is rock and pop the same thing, should it be called urchin rock / ladrock / dadrock / britrock and do lightspeed champion and Stuart Murdoch get put in indie now or do they belong with Nick Drake and Duffy (both of them :lol: ) - and is it all marketing bollocks for a perceived coolness that wont just work with s club 8???

 

but as for the pop section here think you gotta ignore that its called pop - as yeah its all pop-music (pop.music) but the idea is really pop! music of the fizzy bubblegum variety mostly - and like how the John Peel thread wasnt relevant to the indie section - you have to agree that Annie Lennox is not relevant to the pop section - she has to be reclassified as something different - away from teenpop/tweenpop/the teenybopper - once for that market - now irrelevant - but Cascada - more relevant to pop than Lennox - and the Vengaboys and E-rotic :lol: :lol: - total bubblegum cheese!!!

 

yeah thanks to the notion of manufactured pop and how this manufactoring process has become more explicit and known thanks to popstars - and the UK snob factor, pop does seem to have more negativity than to the term rocks and singer/songwriter - but its like Chin & Chapmen vs Bowie etc etc - something creative will be made and people will jump on the bandwagon and try to dilute it more for mass commercial gain

 

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pop music started with the beatles.... simple as.

 

i was around in the 60's and i know the terminology that was used.

Pop was first applied in the 1950s with the crooners like Sinatra and it was used to describe the pre-Beatles wave of pop from acts such as Adam Faith, Billy Fury etc

 

well it wasnt which band was the first pop band - i was more interested in the the etymology and first documentary use of the phrase (like what Victoria Coren might do) -

 

(you know like britpop, which was a term that came from a journo to refer to the context of the time and the scene that had developed around that time, which seems to be written as brit-pop in these hyphen obsessed times - but doesnt that change the context adding that hy-phen???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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well it wasnt which band was the first pop band - i was more interested in the the etymology and first documentary use of the phrase (like what Victoria Coren might do) -

 

sorry but if you wanted to know that, then why ask it here instead of using the internet?. no-one here was around when the first chart was published (generally regarded as the beginings of pop).

 

true i refered to 'pop groups' as oposed to pop music as a term.

I think "bubble gum" Pop definately originated from the U.K back in the 60s.

I always thought of the Beatles as being rock'n'roll but then you put them up against a band like The Rolling Stones who

were around at the same the time, and the Beatles sound cheesey in comparison.

 

The first wave of "pure" bubblegum came with Jerry Kasenetz and Jeff Katz - music producers who formed Super K Productions in 1967 and gave the world the Music Explosion's "Little Bit o' Soul" and The Ohio Express's "Beg, Borrow and Steal" (the latter being a knock-off of "Louie Louie"). However, these songs were closer to R&B garage band music, and missing the element of nursery rhyme/nonsense lyrics that would be introduced by staff songwriters Joey Levine and Elliot Chiprut. About a year later, Kasenetz and Katz released the Ohio Express's memorable "Yummy Yummy Yummy," a #4 hit in June 1968. Although the Ohio Express was a real, touring garage band in the Midwest, their hit singles were recorded by session musicians fronted by singer-songwriter Levine. The band members were handicapped attempting to reproduce Levine's distinctive nasal whine for their live performances.

 

Kasenetz and Katz developed a strong relationship with Buddah Records, and scored many hits on Buddah during 1968 and '69: "Indian Giver" and "Simon Says" by the 1910 Fruitgum Company, "Chewy Chewy" and "Down at Lulu's" by the Ohio Express, and one-offs such as "Quick Joey Small" by The Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus (another front for the same batch of Levine-fronted studio players). Kasenetz and Katz also influenced other Buddah artists not other their direct control, most notably The Lemon Pipers: their 1968 hit "Green Tambourine" was produced by Paul Leka but had a distinct Kasenetz-Katz feel.

 

Others joined in, including music publisher Don Kirshner and "Hanky Panky"'s co-author, Brill Building writer/producer Jeff Barry. Kirshner's 1966 creation The Monkees is often called bubblegum, due to their producer-driven career and reliance on outside songwriters and session players.

 

BTW I love the Beatles and so am using the term cheesey/bubblegum as a descriptive term as everyone seems to know what kind of

Pop I mean. :)

 

Bubblegum pop was a term for much US pop from around 1967 to 1970

Bands in this category included:

1910 Fruitgum Co.

Ohio Express

Lemon Pipers

Tommy James & The Shondells

Kasentz Katz Singing Orchestral Circus

The Turtles

 

 

Edited January 23, 200817 yr by Euro Music

Bubblegum pop was a term for much US pop from around 1967 to 1970

Bands in this category included:

1910 Fruitgum Co.

Ohio Express

Lemon Pipers

Tommy James & The Shondells

Kasentz Katz Singing Orchestral Circus

The Turtles

 

...... by greenwich village based producers steve kasenetz and omri katz.... ive already mentioned :)

 

kasenetz katz singing orchestral circus was a collaboration of most of those above acts. (loved 'quick joey small, run joey run')

Pop was first applied in the 1950s with the crooners like Sinatra and it was used to describe the pre-Beatles wave of pop from acts such as Adam Faith, Billy Fury etc

 

actually youre probably right and ive been guilty of interpreting history from my own perspective as 'da kidz' today are of putting their interpretations on history!...lol

 

i think what the beatles did was create the template for 'pop groups' as oposed to 'popular music'. and they certainly 'upped' the genre. i think 'the mods' (into modernist music) claimed pop as their own, hence the difference and troubles between 'the mods' and the old school (generation) rockers.

 

 

sorry but if you wanted to know that, then why ask it here instead of using the internet?. no-one here was around when the first chart was published (generally regarded as the beginings of pop).

 

well you know how useless the internet is :lol: and maybe theres some debate in this - rather than the usual "yeah that record is good, that record is bad, that record is good kinda sheep like monotony that some threads kinda go to"

 

its not about being about being aroung at a certain time as pop music must be one of the most disected and analysed parts of popular culture - someone must have studyied it at some high level or seen something on tv - to get some kinda opinion formed.