I believe that smoking cannabis does lead onto taking harder substances

 

that's an incredibly naiive and misguided belief.... and it's one held by most people who simply have no experience whatsoever of the substance in question.

 

It's like saying someone who drink a few pints a week will invariably end up drinking meths... it just doesn't happen - it's a tired, nonsensical politician-type belief - one that the 'sad-eye soundbite' brigade in the Commons roll out again and again and, like most things they say, it simply isn't true.

It's like saying someone who drink a few pints a week will invariably end up drinking meths... it just doesn't happen - it's a tired, nonsensical politician-type belief - one that the 'sad-eye soundbite' brigade in the Commons roll out again and again and, like most things they say, it simply isn't true.

 

Spot on Russ.. I'm frankly pretty sick of hearing that argument tbh, it just doesn't make any sense at all.. The only way it could possibly happen is like I illustrated in my post, by unscrupulous, nasty dealers 'persuading' gullible people into giving the harder stuff a go... Which of course aint gonna happen if you could just pop down to a local hash bar or cannabis cafe and NOT have to brave some scummy estate to buy off some knuckle-dragging chav who doesn't exactly have your best interests at heart.....

 

Exactly... Alcohol heightens aggression, it's also a depressant... Weed works on a completely different level.

 

The worst thing you can say about weed is the short-term memory loss (which happens with alcohol as well. Hello?? Blackouts anyone???) and that it will exacerbate pre-existing mental disorders (not actually create them as some anti-cannabis propagandists would have you believe)... Well, if you're stupid enough to take ANY mind-altering substance when you have a mental disorder, dont expect any sympathy from me... Alcohol has far more detrimental effects to society as a WHOLE than Weed does, this is just a fact.. If you dont believe me, take a trip to any casualty ward on any given Saturday night to see all the binge-drinking casualties, you wont see anything like as many 'tokers' in a casualty ward....

Weed isn't that dangerous anyway, and neither is cannabis. It's a bad way to put it, but as long as the amount you take is "controlled", then your alright. All it'll do is keep you high/happy, with a few memory losses here and there, but like you've already said, drinking does that do. I've been/and so have other people been more dangerous whilst drunk then smoking/taking a drug substance.

That would be impossible and totally impractical to quantify, you cant really do that, they're completely different substances with completely different effects... You'd might as well compare magic mushrooms to crystal meth....

 

exactly.... so you cant really compare the effects of drink on a peron against cannabis, which was what i was getting at.

that's an incredibly naiive and misguided belief.... and it's one held by most people who simply have no experience whatsoever of the substance in question.

 

It's like saying someone who drink a few pints a week will invariably end up drinking meths... it just doesn't happen - it's a tired, nonsensical politician-type belief - one that the 'sad-eye soundbite' brigade in the Commons roll out again and again and, like most things they say, it simply isn't true.

well i will disagree

and how the hell do you know the people saying what Ive said have no "experience whatsoever of the substance in question".

I've known many drug addicts or just drug takers and every single one of them started with cannabis

 

and why you believe you a such an expert on drugs I do not know - saying it isnt true is you opinion, so dont say it like its a fact!

well i will disagree

and how the hell do you know the people saying what Ive said have no "experience whatsoever of the substance in question".

I've known many drug addicts or just drug takers and every single one of them started with cannabis

 

and why you believe you a such an expert on drugs I do not know - saying it isnt true is you opinion, so dont say it like its a fact!

 

but theres a difference between every heroin/crack user starting on cannabis and everyone whos tried cannabis automatically goes on the try hard drugs... they dont! i didnt!

 

 

well i will disagree

and how the hell do you know the people saying what Ive said have no "experience whatsoever of the substance in question".

I've known many drug addicts or just drug takers and every single one of them started with cannabis

 

and why you believe you a such an expert on drugs I do not know - saying it isnt true is you opinion, so dont say it like its a fact!

 

 

I and most people I know have smoked cannabis for over 20 years (same as most of the country, if we're honest).... none of us are on crack, smack or anything else - when was the last time YOU had a joint and felt like shooting up afterwards? You seem rather vocal on a subject like this - so I'd like to know your own personal experience of drugs and drug-taking as, let's be frank, you can't have any opinions on it at all unless you've actually experienced it yourself.

 

The plain truthful fact is - you're trying to create a discussion about a subject your only experience of is hearsay or tabloid reports.

 

And you're wrong - simple as. That's why I state it as fact - because you're utterly wrong.

 

As for these 'many drug addicts and drug takers' you know who 'all started on cannabis' - err... have they all drank lager at some point in their lives? Perhaps it was the Grolsch that made them do it - after all, isn't ones' resolve weakened by alcohol? Maybe they smoked tobacco one dim dark night in 1998.... liked the taste so thought... "Hey, let's cook up some crack".... perhaps they'd watched Trainspotting and thought it looked a fun kinda life? Perhaps seeing Pete Doherty looking so healthy and fun-filled persuaded them that maybe a life smoking rocks off the top of a Coke can was for them?

 

Perhaps perhaps perhaps... the bottom line is - if you're going to take class-A drugs - you'll take them..... cannabis has no path whatsoever to harder drugs, apart from if whoever sells you the stuff deals other stuff, too (highly unusual in my experience) and to come here and indignantly state this with a straight face and to try and ram your nonsensical point home with nothing to back it up is, quite frankly, rather ridiculous.

I and most people I know have smoked cannabis for over 20 years (same as most of the country, if we're honest).... none of us are on crack, smack or anything else - when was the last time YOU had a joint and felt like shooting up afterwards? You seem rather vocal on a subject like this - so I'd like to know your own personal experience of drugs and drug-taking as, let's be frank, you can't have any opinions on it at all unless you've actually experienced it yourself.

 

The plain truthful fact is - you're trying to create a discussion about a subject your only experience of is hearsay or tabloid reports.

 

And you're wrong - simple as. That's why I state it as fact - because you're utterly wrong.

 

As for these 'many drug addicts and drug takers' you know who 'all started on cannabis' - err... have they all drank lager at some point in their lives? Perhaps it was the Grolsch that made them do it - after all, isn't ones' resolve weakened by alcohol? Maybe they smoked tobacco one dim dark night in 1998.... liked the taste so thought... "Hey, let's cook up some crack".... perhaps they'd watched Trainspotting and thought it looked a fun kinda life? Perhaps seeing Pete Doherty looking so healthy and fun-filled persuaded them that maybe a life smoking rocks off the top of a Coke can was for them?

 

Perhaps perhaps perhaps... the bottom line is - if you're going to take class-A drugs - you'll take them..... cannabis has no path whatsoever to harder drugs, apart from if whoever sells you the stuff deals other stuff, too (highly unusual in my experience) and to come here and indignantly state this with a straight face and to try and ram your nonsensical point home with nothing to back it up is, quite frankly, rather ridiculous.

 

100% full truth mate, couldn't have put it better myself...

 

Those who have never taken it, just dont really know what they're talking about. Period.... Cannabis in itself aint a "gateway" drug anymore than ciggies or booze are, it's the fukkin' dealers that are the problem, not the substance itself.... Keeping it illegal is what's causing the problems...

 

exactly.... so you cant really compare the effects of drink on a peron against cannabis, which was what i was getting at.

 

Dude, I'm just going by what I see on the streets... And I dont see gangs of "toked up" yobs going around causing sh!t.....

 

Dude, I'm just going by what I see on the streets... And I dont see gangs of "toked up" yobs going around causing sh!t.....

 

my point was simply this... you cannot say that alcohol causes more violence then cannabis unless both are consumed by equal numbers of people! ok i suspect that cannabis doesnt make some people violent as alcohol does. alcohol is cheaper, stronger, and much more freely available, so off course there will be more alcohol related problems!

 

ie... theres no comparison so its just silly speculating.

my point was simply this... you cannot say that alcohol causes more violence then cannabis unless both are consumed by equal numbers of people! ok i suspect that cannabis doesnt make some people violent as alcohol does. alcohol is cheaper, stronger, and much more freely available, so off course there will be more alcohol related problems!

 

ie... theres no comparison so its just silly speculating.

 

Cannabis doesn't heighten aggression the way alcohol does though mate, so to even compare the two as to cause and effect of violence on the streets is just rather moot... People who are showing the effects of cannabis do NOT tend to go around acting in an aggressive or violent manner in the way that people who show the effects of alcohol do...

 

He may be a bit of a tw*t but he speaks sense... Or atleast did.

 

He may be a bit of a tw*t but he speaks sense... Or atleast did.

 

Pretty much sums up the 'Cult of the Lager Lout' really.... -_-