I didn't like the fact that I was being paid £3.05 an hour at my old job, so I left.

 

Really, don't know how old you are but the National minimum wage is currently £3.40 per hour for under 18's, £4.60 ph for 18-21 and £5.52 for over 22. I'm guessing you are at the lower age bracket. If its your former employer, and he was paying you less than the NMW then report him/her. That is one way to get back at them. :)

Really, don't know how old you are but the National minimum wage is currently £3.40 per hour for under 18's, £4.60 ph for 18-21 and £5.52 for over 22. I'm guessing you are at the lower age bracket. If its your former employer, and he was paying you less than the NMW then report him/her. That is one way to get back at them. :)

 

I was 16 at the time, and it was a really shady, cash in hand job. My boss broke so many laws it was unbelievable, and I know I was taken advantage of because of my age. What annoyed me the most was that I got a job working for a similar kind of store, where the boss was paying the same amount to his girls that were currently working there. I left after my first day. It's ridiculous how much employers get away with.

 

. If my employer thinks its ok to pay me a very low wage because he has a young, Polish girl working for the same amount, who do I blame? My employer, obviously.

 

but if there was no immigration then this employer would have to pay a more respectable wage to YOU.

 

its a very simple equasion and one thatcher used to effect. swamp the market with workers and wages are kept down. high unemployment = low wages. big business love it.

but if there was no immigration then this employer would have to pay a more respectable wage to YOU.

 

its a very simple equasion and one thatcher used to effect. swamp the market with workers and wages are kept down. high unemployment = low wages. big business love it.

 

Did my previous post say nothing to you? My employer DID pay me a low wage. And why? Because I was YOUNG. Business owners will always find a way to pay as little as they possibly can, either it be because someone else is willing to work for less, or because someone is young and naive. Hell I'm sure there's still an issue with men being paid more then women.

Did my previous post say nothing to you? My employer DID pay me a low wage. And why? Because I was YOUNG. Business owners will always find a way to pay as little as they possibly can, either it be because someone else is willing to work for less, or because someone is young and naive. Hell I'm sure there's still an issue with men being paid more then women.

 

thats an ageist issue not an immigration one, this topics about immigration :)

thats an ageist issue not an immigration one, this topics about immigration :)

 

My point was that me being underpaid had nothing to do with immigration, so it was wrong of you to put the blame on immigrants.

but if there was no immigration then this employer would have to pay a more respectable wage to YOU.

 

its a very simple equasion and one thatcher used to effect. swamp the market with workers and wages are kept down. high unemployment = low wages. big business love it.

But unemployment keeps falling?

But unemployment keeps falling?

 

Probably because there are currently 1.67 million people in the UK on benefits (incapacity benefits, etc) whom in 1981 would have been categorised as "Unemployed" in the jobless count. :lol:

 

 

I missed the program unfortunately but certainly think mass immigration from particularly Eastern Europe is a bad thing for this country both in demands on the infrastructure of this country (houses, roads, transport network, schools, hospitals) and on our cultural identity, I welcome SOME immigration in the sense that I always welcome high quality hard working overseas professionals coming here but our cultural identity and traditional British way of life is going to be more and more eroded for the indigenous population unless the country says enough is enough and we only let in qualified professionals as opposed to the peasants, gypsys and nomads that seem to be flooding into this country from Eastern Europe.

I think immigration is fine as a principle, but I do kind of agree that we simply arent going to be able to cope by letting anyone and everyone in from the EU. Right now, were just about managing, but masses are probably going to keep pouring in, which will put massive strain on the infrastructure and employment (I do honestly think that British-born people, or atleast, people who have lived in Britain for a long period of time, should be the priority).

However, this "culture" argument has no credibility imo. The "traditional British way of life" died out in about 1953. The closest thing Britain has to a national identity today is in fact multiculturalism and diversity - vastly different tastes in pretty much anything, as well as vastly different opinions on all issues, are welcomed. There is no identikit British person anymore, theres a huge variety in the backgrounds of people right across the country, and therefore, immigrants do of course fit right in to this multi-cultural society.

My point was that me being underpaid had nothing to do with immigration, so it was wrong of you to put the blame on immigrants.

 

my point is that in the bigger picture it has, your one example doesnt transfer across the uk.

 

official unemployment is low, the real number, add on the benefits cheats (not the genuine) claiming incapacuty and the rest... then swell the available workforce with migrants and you have a labour pool... this is what thatcher mastered.

 

 

However, this "culture" argument has no credibility imo. The "traditional British way of life" died out in about 1953. The closest thing Britain has to a national identity today is in fact multiculturalism and diversity - vastly different tastes in pretty much anything, as well as vastly different opinions on all issues, are welcomed. There is no identikit British person anymore, theres a huge variety in the backgrounds of people right across the country, and therefore, immigrants do of course fit right in to this multi-cultural society.

 

spoken like a true city dweller!

 

get out in the sticks m8.... it aint like that there.

spoken like a true city dweller!

 

get out in the sticks m8.... it aint like that there.

I live in Cheshire actually, so am pretty far away from being a city dweller...

I live in Cheshire actually, so am pretty far away from being a city dweller...

 

fair dos m8, but are you telling me rural cheshire is multicultural? cos the rural places/people i know dont think so (but there are migrants picking veg)

.... but why should we be multicultural? did we need to be? did the guys who fought in the war fight for a multicultural britain?

 

i work for guys who did fight for a free britain, some are maimed, all know comrades who died. they resent the way successive governments have sold away to immigration, " thats not what we fought for" ..

 

i dont get it..... i dont get why its seen as wrong to want to be british, im not so sure the positives of multiculturalism outweights the negatives, and i bet when they agreed to open european borders they didnt expect a million polish to come here!

 

we aint the bread basket of the world, its totally wrong that migrants get social benefits from a country they have put nothing into. (skiving chavs and benefit cheats are as bad). now taxes are rising all over the place... why? partly to pump money into the infrastructure to cope with the sudden influx from europe... their housing allowances, food, clothes, bills have to be paid for somehow, as many workers are costing us money.

 

as i see it, we should only allow in migrant workers who have bone fide jobs, no migrant gets any benefits until theyve worked here for 6 months (ffs i wasnt entitled to a penny until i had worked 6 months).

 

the bottom line is.... we are a tiny island, with the huge influx in recent years...the biggest ever in history, to house, feed, accomodate all these sudden extra mouths has put a huge strain on the country, taxes are rising to pay for it... IT CANNOT GO ON. we have to close the boarders, britian cannot go on accepting millions of people, there isnt the space nor the jobs.

the bottom line is.... we are a tiny island, with the huge influx in recent years...the biggest ever in history, to house, feed, accomodate all these sudden extra mouths has put a huge strain on the country, taxes are rising to pay for it... IT CANNOT GO ON. we have to close the boarders, britian cannot go on accepting millions of people, there isnt the space nor the jobs.

 

But never before have we had so many people leaving the country to live abroard, and never has the birth rate been so low....

 

But never before have we had so many people leaving the country to live abroard, and never has the birth rate been so low....

 

thats irrelevant , this countrys population is rising fast, thats fact. and i seriously doubt that the birth rate is at an all time low...

thats irrelevant , this countrys population is rising fast, thats fact. and i seriously doubt that the birth rate is at an all time low...

 

 

Its fact huh? I wanna see some figures. And real ones from real sources, please :)

Its fact huh? I wanna see some figures. And real ones from real sources, please :)

 

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?ID=6

 

expected to rise to 65 million .... 5 million in 8 years.... terrific. <_<

 

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nscl.asp?id=7588

 

just how tf are we supposed to cope with that?... higher taxes, crowded roads, cities, schools, hospitals, housing shortages and food prices soaring.... brilliant. <_<.

Its fact huh? I wanna see some figures. And real ones from real sources, please :)

 

You want real figures, you've got real figures:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Inflowandoutflow.jpg

 

This data comes from the official data in UK National Statistics: "Focus on People and Migration" Chapter 7 published in 2006.

 

The top of each bar is the total number of immigrants accepted into the UK that year, and the bottom number is the total number of migrants leaving the country. As you'll see from the top of the 2004 bar, nearly 1 million migrants moved to the UK.

 

Therefore in each year significantly more people have joined the UK, than left it.

 

As you will see under this 11 years worth of data, the official population of the UK has grown by 4.7 million. But of course the likes of Migrants Watch UK, many right-wing groups, the media, town councils up and down the land will say that that is a major underestimation of the real picture, due to illegal immigrants who absconded before leaving the country (173,000+ between 1994 & 2004), nor does take account of an illegal immigrants who have joined the UK undetected (In 2006 Migrants Watch UK put this figure at 1.85 million for this period 1994 & 2004), although most experts estimate that the true figure could be reached by splitting the Government's underestimated figure & Migrants Watch inflated figure.

 

Therefore that would mean that the net population of the UK is growing by over 500,000 a year.

 

Again I'm not going to produce the data, but investigating this, but in 2007, a European Commission Quango estimated that between 2004 & 2006 38% of national migrants from the newly allowed EU Eastern European Countries went to the UK boosting our population by an extra 183,000, when the Government estimated we would only receive 28,000 from these countries.

I'm not interested in estimates and expectations, I'd like real facts and figures as apposed to what people THINK will happen. The graph you provided confused the hell out of me, mostly because I've never seen a graph where it's data floats in the middle of it, and because I wanted to see the graph for myself, so if you could provide the direct link for the graph, that would be awesome. I also went onto the site you referenced to and found this page:

 

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1311

 

and this page:

 

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1305

 

And from what I can see, the figures reach no where near a million. I apologize if I've read the information wrong.

Edited April 18, 200817 yr by Harmonize