right, im bending the rules here, but for a purpose.

 

most of the regular posters here are fond of what i call 'traditional pop'... ie guitar groups. many of us have favourite eras and they mostly co-incide when the latest incarnation of 'mod' is popular. from the beat boom of the 60's, through glamrock, punk, new wave, madchester and britpop etc we have a great likeing of this genre.

 

so what im asking is... what current (past few years) 'indie' tracks do you like? im interested to see if like me anyone else rates this re-vamped retro sound.

 

THIS IS ONLY OPEN TO REGULAR POSTERS IN RETRO its retro fans oppinions i want.

zutons - why dont you give me your love a good track, i like especially the guitar break, reminiscent of jeff beck!

 

coral - goodbye fantastic track, could have been from late 65, this yardbirdesque track is imho their best

 

razorlight - golden touch love razorlight, this is superb imho.

 

hard-fi - tied up too tight another splendid melodic track, i like its speed.

 

kaiser cheifs - oh my god dunno why 'i predict a riot' is more popular, this is a top notch pop song , love the intro..

 

caesars - jerk it out its got everything, melody, hook, speed...

 

razorlight - somewhere else simply a brilliant track...

 

rasmus - in the shadows imho a pop classic.

 

kooks - she moves in her own way what a great easy listening, uptempo happy track!

 

franz ferdinand - take me out the only thing they did thats any good, but a classic with a tremendous intro

 

oasis - the importance of being idle best thing they did for years, great bit of 60's esque pop.

 

id suggest that these tracks are as good as anything from the retro past, indeed if these (and others) had been released alongside xtc, squeeze, teardrop explodes, duran duran etc, etc, etc then they would be regarded as 'all time greats'..

 

thoughts?

I'm not known for agreeing with you Rob but I unreservedly hate all the songs you've chosen there apart from 'Take Me Out' and strongly disagree that it's Franz Ferdinand's only good song.

 

Oh well!

 

:D

TBH most indie from the last 20 years can be accused of being record collection rock and very little sounds new. The worst offenders just rip off (The Coral, The Zutons) while the best at least try to sound fresh.

 

 

Rob - I think it is fair to say that for me personally that is a rather poor selection. It arguably should be titled indie music for people who don't like Indie.

 

Apart from Kaiser Chiefs rip off of XTC's Oh You Pretty Girls, Oasis' rip off of the Kinks Dead End Street, & Franz Ferdinand's fantastic breakthrough single it is largely uninspired listening especially the awful watered down Brit School attempt at being the Libertines (ie. the Kooks, FFS the lead singer's (Luke Pritchard) ex-fiancee Katie Melua has made more challenging records ), the vile Rasmus track, that awful Caesars track & two tracks by a band with the most pompous prat in music of the 21st Century (ie. Razorlight's Johnny Borrell).

 

I'll come up with something later.

:lol: well i got a response.... even if its not exactly the one i expected!

 

i know it aint REAL indie, i know (and said) its re-cycled 60's stuff (id argue that maybe xtc/squeeze ripped off 60's music ).

 

sorry if you dont like them tracks guys.... i love 'em and as far as im concerned are the best sounds since the 'punk' era 77-81.

 

i reckon the mid 00's are the third best era for music (albeit generic) behind punk and the 60's. but thats a personal preferance. as i see it, the 00's finished off what 'original indie' started...

plagarisim has been going on for day 1.... even john lennon pinched riffs off lesser known US artists and re-cycled them on early beatles tracks.

 

xtc, squeeze and the jam in particular were often slated by the older generation (orig 60's teens) for copying the earlier works of the kinks, who, yardbirds, small faces let alone the beatles. yet xtc, squeeze and the jam are highly respected 'cool' groups from their era. (quite rightly so).

 

i have no problem at all with the current crop of 'mod' sounding groups, sounding like acts from the past.

 

point 1) . it brings my favoured sounds to a new generation, a generation who needs their own sound (as opposed to getting into retro music). and im happy that guitar groups are fashionable again, and if they want to re-cycle retro sounds then thats a good thing!

 

point 2) the original indie/mod sounds have been done, we have heard them, so i dont care at all if a new generation has ressurected the sound and created NEW music of the style i like. :)

I have no problem new bands using the sounds of yesterday and doing something new with them but does it have to be as limp as some of those choices. I will try to post a selection of tracks later!

I have no problem new bands using the sounds of yesterday and doing something new with them but does it have to be as limp as some of those choices. I will try to post a selection of tracks later!

 

but they are only 'limp' in your opinion.... ok, they do nowt for you, but i think they are great pop tracks that i enjoy hearing, plus im glad sounds like this are around for a new generation as to them they are new sounds. :)

 

 

i like the coral and zutons BECAUSE they sound like a 60's group! to me its like having discovered forgotten 60's tracks :)

The Kooks and The Zutons are ghastly, really really bad. Nice that Rob's chosen Hard-Fi's best single, though - Tied Up Too Tight is a great single.

Time to put my money where my mouth is:

 

ThisIsIndie in the 21st Century (In vaguely chronological order):

 

PS. As this is the 21st Century then sod the vinyl album concept, it's a CD length compiliation, and no music for bedwetters by the overly commercial bordering on pop Coldplay, Travis, Keane, Kaiser Chiefs, Kooks, Razorlight, etc.

 

1. Radiohead - The National Anthem - taken from their impenetrable (for many) Kid A album. This track & its album was proof that Indie music did not need to be lazy & derivate. From the greatest Rock band in the world today. Their 2 hours concert on Radio2 on April 1st was proof of that fact.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7OJ7qqlxQU0

 

2. Black Box Recorder - The Facts Of Life - Luke Haines (ex-Auteurs) other project. This track made UK#20, but the GBP was too busy buying the latest single by Steps, S Club 7, Westlife or 5ive to care. A fantastic record with very clever lyrics about growing up.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FP-2VLQEv4c

 

3. Badly Drawn Boy - Disillusion - Taken from the brilliant Mercury Music Award Winning album "The Hour of the Bewilderbeast". This track shows what maverick Manchunian Damon Gough could do with a great melody, a catchy guitar riff & a fantastic imaginative video directed by Garth Jennings.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B11msns6wPU

 

4. Queens Of The Stone Age - The Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret - A fantastic taut American melodrama that explodes at the chorus under a weight of drums, bass guitars & vocals like a tornado. Put simply a great rock record.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ScgERsqzUhQ

 

5. The Strokes - Last Nite - 21st Century retro at its finest. With this track they sound like something straight out of New York's CBGB's circa 1978.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3tuvX_X7Rlw

 

6. Goldfrapp - Lovely Head - For those of you who think indie music is all about a guitar, bass, drums & vocals think again. This wonderfully strange record was the first introduction to Will Gregory & Alison Goldfrapp heavily featuring a theremin. But for some of you this song will conjour up memories of BBC3's animation series Monkey Dust and Clive The Liar's character.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7d9vm30AR94

 

7. Elbow - Powder Blue - If you want proof that music fans are influenced by looks and not musical ability, then surely the polar opposite success of photogenic Chris "t***" Martin of Coldplay & Elbow's Guy "you got any change" Harvey is proof. Elbow have consistently made better records than Coldplay all decade, but guess which act has had the global success and which act remains filed firmly under "critically acclaimed".

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JcL3MR403gQ

 

8. Libertines - What A Waster - Never in the history of popular music has a debut single been so accurate. They could and SHOULD have been the greatest Band of the century so far, but Pete Doherty had to go and waste on drugs. This debut single takes the very best of the Sex Pistols & The Smiths to make a perfect music cocktail. Proof if it was ever needed that drugs are bad. And now we're left with the bloody awful watered down indie for bedwetters by public school children by the the Kooks ffs as their substitues. :angry:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aqUoPw1nOkc

 

9. Pulp - Bad Cover Version - This special track featuring impersonators of famous singers, was released the same day as the winner of the first ever Pop Idol. This song was a savage lyrical attack on shows like Pop Idol that have become arguably the biggest musical cancer of the 21st Century. Whilst the Band Aid style video is hilarious too. Sadly this track limped into the UK charts 26 places lower than Will Young's cover of the Westlife track "Evergreen" managed!

The word's on the street: you've found someone new.

If he looks nothing like me I'm so happy for you.

I heard an old girlfriend has turned to the church -

she's trying to replace me, but it'll never work.

'Cos every touch reminds you of just how sweet it could have been

And every time he kisses you it leaves behind the bitter taste of saccharine.

A bad cover version of love is not the real thing.

Bikini-clad girl on the front who invited you in.

Such great disappointment when you got him home -

the original was so good; the one you no longer own.

And every touch reminds you of just how sweet it could have been

And every time he kisses you, you get the taste of saccharine.

It's not easy to forget me, it's so hard to disconnect

When it's electronically reprocessed to give a more life-like effect.

 

Aah, sing your song about all the sad imitations that got it so wrong

It's like a later "Tom & Jerry" when the two of them could talk

Like the Stones since the Eighties, like the last days of Southfork.

Like "Planet of the Apes" on TV, the second side of "'Til the Band Comes in"

Like an own-brand box of cornflakes: he's going to let you down my friend.

 

10. Doves - There Goes The Fear - A fantastic musical travelogue wrapped up in less than 5 minutes by the former 1990s Manchester Dance act Sub Sub.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CRODW8Vh-MQ

 

11. Flaming Lips - Do You Realize? - Frontman Wayne Coyne wrote this song about the emotions he felt after the death of his father. For me this song is amazing, its so sad but then so happy... it can hit you so deep at the heart depending on your situation, yet its so broad that we can all relate to it. Sadly the Leon Jackson/Leona Lewis generation would rather listen to Robbie William's Angels for the 5672nd time.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qvdma6tCnjw

 

12. Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out - Angular Scottish indie this maybe, but it is so brilliant that even over familiarity (and a legendary drunken BRITs performance) cannot spoil.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x_9GR9kdZ3o

 

13. Graham Coxon - Freakin' Out - OK, OK so the tune is basically the Skids' Into The Valley recycled. But hey this track by the former Blur guitarist is a brilliant record full of angry noise that does not waste a second of it's 220 seconds. Superior to anything Damon Albarn or Oasis have come up with this century so far.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BANR-EFZZJM

 

14. Arcade Fire - Rebellion (Lies) - Proof that Canada can produce great acts (although surely Nickleback is it's evil nemesis). A truly breathtaking track from a band who have so far produced two of the best 10 albums so far this millennium. Taken from the album Funeral. Its 21st century musically gothic hybrid of Berlin era Bowie, Talking Heads, the Pixies, Nick Drake, Velvet Underground, Jeff Buckley, Radiohead .... made for near musical perfection.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NNfWC4Sgkcs

 

15. Arctic Monkeys - A Certain Romance - Unquestionably the Best new British band around today, they steam through that huge NME worshipping hole that the Libertines left. This their track IMHO is everything what 21st Music should be about. Young People, singing about THEIR lives TODAY, in their HOMETOWNS. They are the current carriers of the torch of English melodrama that started with the Beatles and has passed on to the likes of The Who, The Kinks, David Bowie, The Jam, the Specials, Madness, The Smiths, Suede, Blur, Oasis & the Libertines.... And as the new Last Shadow Puppets single proves Alex Turner is a genius.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j3RFYEy5edI

 

16. Belle & Sebastian - Step Into My Office Baby - This great Scottish act will forever be remembered for their "outrageous" victory over Steps to win Best Newcomers at a late 1990s BRIT's that left Pete Waterman angrier than when Michelle McManus won Pop Idol 2 :lol: Don't you love fanatic Scottish voters putting one over the English? I had to put one of their tracks on this compiliation, and this makes it because of the funny lyrics and the funniest video most of you have never seen. Think certain 1970s sitcoms. :naughty:

 

17. Raconteurs - Steady As She Goes - I could not do a compiliation like this and exclude Jack White. So here is his finest 4 minutes. I guess I'm a sucker for proper drumming & musical backing that does not sound like Led Zeppelin demoing new material with some kid who is learning to play drums. :lol:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qvabLhs6_LM

 

18. Futureheads - Beginning Of The Twist - And now to finish off, the best "Indie" record of 2008 so far IMHO. From this band from the North East who no longer have their cover of Kate Bush's The Hounds Of Love as their most famous track.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d7eOGf0mnYg

The Coral sound like a bad rip off of The Stairs, a legendary retro revivalist band from Liverpool in the early 90s rather than anything else.

 

Weed Bus

 

 

 

Edited April 3, 200817 yr by grebo69

Time to put my money where my mouth is:

 

ThisIsIndie in the 21st Century (In vaguely chronological order):

 

PS. As this is the 21st Century then sod the vinyl album concept, it's a CD length compiliation, and no music for bedwetters by the overly commercial bordering on pop Coldplay, Travis, Keane, Kaiser Chiefs, Kooks, Razorlight, etc.

 

1. Radiohead - The National Anthem - taken from their impenetrable (for many) Kid A album. This track & its album was proof that Indie music did not need to be lazy & derivate. From the greatest Rock band in the world today. Their 2 hours concert on Radio2 on April 1st was proof of that fact.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7OJ7qqlxQU0

 

2. Black Box Recorder - The Facts Of Life - Luke Haines (ex-Auteurs) other project. This track made UK#20, but the GBP was too busy buying the latest single by Steps, S Club 7, Westlife or 5ive to care. A fantastic record with very clever lyrics about growing up.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FP-2VLQEv4c

 

3. Badly Drawn Boy - Disillusion - Taken from the brilliant Mercury Music Award Winning album "The Hour of the Bewilderbeast". This track shows what maverick Manchunian Damon Gough could do with a great melody, a catchy guitar riff & a fantastic imaginative video directed by Garth Jennings.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B11msns6wPU

 

4. Queens Of The Stone Age - The Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret - A fantastic taut American melodrama that explodes at the chorus under a weight of drums, bass guitars & vocals like a tornado. Put simply a great rock record.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ScgERsqzUhQ

 

5. The Strokes - Last Nite - 21st Century retro at its finest. With this track they sound like something straight out of New York's CBGB's circa 1978.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3tuvX_X7Rlw

 

6. Goldfrapp - Lovely Head - For those of you who think indie music is all about a guitar, bass, drums & vocals think again. This wonderfully strange record was the first introduction to Will Gregory & Alison Goldfrapp heavily featuring a theremin. But for some of you this song will conjour up memories of BBC3's animation series Monkey Dust and Clive The Liar's character.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7d9vm30AR94

 

7. Elbow - Powder Blue - If you want proof that music fans are influenced by looks and not musical ability, then surely the polar opposite success of photogenic Chris "t***" Martin of Coldplay & Elbow's Guy "you got any change" Harvey is proof. Elbow have consistently made better records than Coldplay all decade, but guess which act has had the global success and which act remains filed firmly under "critically acclaimed".

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JcL3MR403gQ

 

8. Libertines - What A Waster - Never in the history of popular music has a debut single been so accurate. They could and SHOULD have been the greatest Band of the century so far, but Pete Doherty had to go and waste on drugs. This debut single takes the very best of the Sex Pistols & The Smiths to make a perfect music cocktail. Proof if it was ever needed that drugs are bad. And now we're left with the bloody awful watered down indie for bedwetters by public school children by the the Kooks ffs as their substitues. :angry:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aqUoPw1nOkc

 

9. Pulp - Bad Cover Version - This special track featuring impersonators of famous singers, was released the same day as the winner of the first ever Pop Idol. This song was a savage lyrical attack on shows like Pop Idol that have become arguably the biggest musical cancer of the 21st Century. Whilst the Band Aid style video is hilarious too. Sadly this track limped into the UK charts 26 places lower than Will Young's cover of the Westlife track "Evergreen" managed!

The word's on the street: you've found someone new.

If he looks nothing like me I'm so happy for you.

I heard an old girlfriend has turned to the church -

she's trying to replace me, but it'll never work.

'Cos every touch reminds you of just how sweet it could have been

And every time he kisses you it leaves behind the bitter taste of saccharine.

A bad cover version of love is not the real thing.

Bikini-clad girl on the front who invited you in.

Such great disappointment when you got him home -

the original was so good; the one you no longer own.

And every touch reminds you of just how sweet it could have been

And every time he kisses you, you get the taste of saccharine.

It's not easy to forget me, it's so hard to disconnect

When it's electronically reprocessed to give a more life-like effect.

 

Aah, sing your song about all the sad imitations that got it so wrong

It's like a later "Tom & Jerry" when the two of them could talk

Like the Stones since the Eighties, like the last days of Southfork.

Like "Planet of the Apes" on TV, the second side of "'Til the Band Comes in"

Like an own-brand box of cornflakes: he's going to let you down my friend.

 

10. Doves - There Goes The Fear - A fantastic musical travelogue wrapped up in less than 5 minutes by the former 1990s Manchester Dance act Sub Sub.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CRODW8Vh-MQ

 

11. Flaming Lips - Do You Realize? - Frontman Wayne Coyne wrote this song about the emotions he felt after the death of his father. For me this song is amazing, its so sad but then so happy... it can hit you so deep at the heart depending on your situation, yet its so broad that we can all relate to it. Sadly the Leon Jackson/Leona Lewis generation would rather listen to Robbie William's Angels for the 5672nd time.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qvdma6tCnjw

 

12. Franz Ferdinand - Take Me Out - Angular Scottish indie this maybe, but it is so brilliant that even over familiarity (and a legendary drunken BRITs performance) cannot spoil.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x_9GR9kdZ3o

 

13. Graham Coxon - Freakin' Out - OK, OK so the tune is basically the Skids' Into The Valley recycled. But hey this track by the former Blur guitarist is a brilliant record full of angry noise that does not waste a second of it's 220 seconds. Superior to anything Damon Albarn or Oasis have come up with this century so far.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BANR-EFZZJM

 

14. Arcade Fire - Rebellion (Lies) - Proof that Canada can produce great acts (although surely Nickleback is it's evil nemesis). A truly breathtaking track from a band who have so far produced two of the best 10 albums so far this millennium. Taken from the album Funeral. Its 21st century musically gothic hybrid of Berlin era Bowie, Talking Heads, the Pixies, Nick Drake, Velvet Underground, Jeff Buckley, Radiohead .... made for near musical perfection.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NNfWC4Sgkcs

 

15. Arctic Monkeys - A Certain Romance - Unquestionably the Best new British band around today, they steam through that huge NME worshipping hole that the Libertines left. This their track IMHO is everything what 21st Music should be about. Young People, singing about THEIR lives TODAY, in their HOMETOWNS. They are the current carriers of the torch of English melodrama that started with the Beatles and has passed on to the likes of The Who, The Kinks, David Bowie, The Jam, the Specials, Madness, The Smiths, Suede, Blur, Oasis & the Libertines.... And as the new Last Shadow Puppets single proves Alex Turner is a genius.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j3RFYEy5edI

 

16. Belle & Sebastian - Step Into My Office Baby - This great Scottish act will forever be remembered for their "outrageous" victory over Steps to win Best Newcomers at a late 1990s BRIT's that left Pete Waterman angrier than when Michelle McManus won Pop Idol 2 :lol: Don't you love fanatic Scottish voters putting one over the English? I had to put one of their tracks on this compiliation, and this makes it because of the funny lyrics and the funniest video most of you have never seen. Think certain 1970s sitcoms. :naughty:

 

17. Raconteurs - Steady As She Goes - I could not do a compiliation like this and exclude Jack White. So here is his finest 4 minutes. I guess I'm a sucker for proper drumming & musical backing that does not sound like Led Zeppelin demoing new material with some kid who is learning to play drums. :lol:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qvabLhs6_LM

 

18. Futureheads - Beginning Of The Twist - And now to finish off, the best "Indie" record of 2008 so far IMHO. From this band from the North East who no longer have their cover of Kate Bush's The Hounds Of Love as their most famous track.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d7eOGf0mnYg

 

sorry but i dont like most of your choices!...lol. the doves? strokes? elbow? do nowt for me m8. prefered the hives to the strokes by a mile.

 

i like the raconteurs, and the libertines to a point (id have chosen 'up the bracket'.) 'pyramid song' by radiohead was awesome and would have been my choice. i like goldfrapp and wont argue against her.

 

queens of the stoneage are imho THE best rock act of the time.... but they are rock not 'indie'.

 

'no one knows' and 'go with the flow' are possibly my favourite rock tracks of all time, i prefer them to deep purple, led zep, motorhead etc etc..

 

but its all down to taste, if i like it, i like it... if i dont, i dont, no matter how 'cool' a track may be ...or how naff (doop anyone?...lol). each to their own.

 

 

ps.... i KNOW my selection isnt real 'indie', but its the term this generation are using to discribe good old fashioned 'mod' or 'britpop', and its that im refering too.

Despite noughties indie being my genre of choice I'm going to be different and say Rob's album isn't bad at all. Ok, apart from 'Take Me Out' there's nothing I'd say I love, but as far as successful recent commercial indie goes, there isn't really much that's a lot better than the choices...

Edited April 4, 200817 yr by RabbitFurCoat

Despite noughties indie being my genre of choice I'm going to be different and say Rob's album isn't bad at all. Ok, apart from 'Take Me Out' there's nothing I'd say I love, but as far as successful recent commercial indie goes, there isn't really much that's a lot better than the choices...

 

yay!....lol....

 

im not phased though by the criticism here, i know plenty of real life 'old buggers' who agree with me and rate the current 'indie' scene for the very same reasons ive already listed. these are long term music fans from a wide range of backgrounds but mainly from the punk era :)

All right - time for a more measured response I guess - apart from The Coral who I think are tedious bilge and 10th rate La's copycats :P

 

zutons - Really don't rate them - gives indie a bad name especially that bloody sax player

 

coral - said it all before

 

razorlight - Golden Touch - Really rate their first album then got very boring very quickly

 

hard-fi - Never really dug them

 

kaiser chiefs - oh my god Loved all of the first album and the second is so disappointing

 

caesars - jerk it out - Great track

 

razorlight - somewhere else - as above

 

rasmus - utter utter $h!te

 

kooks - she moves in her own way - tosh with a complete knob as a lead singer

 

franz ferdinand - take me out Out and out classic single - probably the only classic single from the last 5 years

 

oasis - the importance of being idle I can't critique Oasis as i love everything they have ever recorded

 

I don't think Tip got the point of this compilation as I think Rob was making an album of tracks that sounded retro and would fit in with any one of the lists we love to make here. Is that near the mark?

I don't think Tip got the point of this compilation as I think Rob was making an album of tracks that sounded retro and would fit in with any one of the lists we love to make here. Is that near the mark?

 

indeed that is nearer the mark! :)

 

i know alot of older people (from pop quizes and metal detecting) who are music fans and feel, like me, that theres alot of good sounds around. 'indie' (i dont like using that word to describe 'mod') is in our humble opinion, giving us a new load of retro sounds or retro influenced sounds. i...we.. are fans of guitar pop and although its been done before cant help but like some modern songs.

 

the idea of this thread was to gauge the response of retro lovers here to see if you feel the same.

 

retro lovers likeing or dislikeing modern retro sounds.

 

i stand by my point that if my list was released in single form 79-81 they would be reveered as classics, much the same way that duran duran, teardrop explodes, early cure, squeeze etc etc are.

 

tbh i dont think TIP got the point at all...

 

yay!....lol....

 

im not phased though by the criticism here, i know plenty of real life 'old buggers' who agree with me and rate the current 'indie' scene for the very same reasons ive already listed. these are long term music fans from a wide range of backgrounds but mainly from the punk era :)

 

You can count me as one of the "old buggers" who likes some of the new indie precisely because it doesn't turn its nose up at pop music. There's nothing wrong with a good tune. Indie is always at its worst when it is being surly towards the rest of the world and popularity in particular. All indie has its roots in 60s beat/psych - it's a style of music that hasn't really changed it's blueprint for 40 years - and, at the time, the groups were trying to sell records and get in the charts, not turn their back on it.

 

Indie today has become a catch-all term for anything with guitars in it that isn't specifically rock - in other words with a pop element in it. I like some of Rob's selections and dislike others - but it's the same with thisispop's list. Each is a list of indie records - neither is more indie than the other.

 

My own list will follow!