Such as...? Any examples given...? Sounds like utter bollocks to me... I cant think of a nation so completely lawless or without any kind of rules or customs witin a society.. It surely wouldn't even be able to function if there were no rules at all......

 

Depends on whose law, or whose rules it is you're talking about surely....

 

watch the programme

 

last night focused on inter migrant rivalry, mainly black/asian not eastern european.

 

using powels 'rivers of blood' speech where he said that mass immigration/integration will not work and ragah omaar went out and interviewed many differing opinions which highlighted 'black on black' violence. even the bloke (a black man) from the race relations acknowleged that 'tribalism' is occuring .

 

violence between tribes and races is a growing problem, and we are not talking about white on black. two somali guys were innocently beaten up by a gang of black men, simply because they were somali.

 

like it or not.... what enoch said IS coming true, immigrants dont want to integrate, they want to live in their own societies which is all well and good but they bring with them their tribal hostilities.

try 4 od.... if you missed it, watch it online, then tell me immigration isnt posing problems and that enoch had not got a point.

i agree that our chavs are a bigger problem, but thats a different topic.

 

NO, it's not a different topic at all.. Because everything you are accusing immigrants of can be applied DOUBLE (probably TRIPLE or QUADRUPLE in reality..) to our own lazy, shiftless, criminal sections of society.. It COSTS us money to (a lot more in actual fact) to keep these bloody people who do NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING for society..... I do agree that immigrants who commit serious crimes should be deported, but, I think we should get rid of other scummy elements within our society also.. And, frankly, I dont give a sh!t how that sounds.... I dont care if they're "our own" or not, get rid..... Bring back bloody Transportation!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Preferably to that Island off "Battle Royale"..... :lol:

 

Can you honestly that the majority (or, well, any really..) of Chavs are a positive benefit to the country...? No, you cant, but you can say the majority of immigrants DO work hard and DO make a positive contribution to this country, regardless of the fact that a tiny fraction of their countrymen let them down a bit (and, trust me, the majority who work hard have just as much dislike for these types of people as you or I do).. Put it this way, I know who I'd rather have living next door to me mate, simple as....

violence between tribes and races is a growing problem, and we are not talking about white on black. two somali guys were innocently beaten up by a gang of black men, simply because they were somali.

 

So, Rob, what's your answer then...? Deport the guilty AND the innocent....? That has no logic.. If people commit serious crimes such as this, then deport 'em... But it has to be done on a case by case basis, not just tarring all with the same brush....

 

Dude, Enoch Powell is always getting trumpeted by you, but you completely miss the fact that he was an evil, old racist b/astard (and, no, I dont accept the excuse that he was just 'part of a particular generation' - it was HIS generation that the 60s and 70s activists, and the Punk Generation were battling against)... Which kind of blunts any credible points he had to make as far as I'm concerned... Use another argument or another source, I wont listen to the word of blatant, blinkered racists, and neither should otherwise intelligent people like Rageh Omar....

try 4 od.... if you missed it, watch it online, then tell me immigration isnt posing problems and that enoch had not got a point.

 

I'll watch it, but if I think for a moment that it goes into the same old tired, right-wing tabloid press territory of "bloody immigrants taking our jobs, (even though we're too bloody lazy to do 'em...)", or "This was a nice neighbourhood before them ruddy Darkies/Poles/P@kis/Muslims/Jews (delete as appropriate) moved in..", then I'm afraid I'll be switching off... I dont wanna hear that sh!te.....

 

I somehow doubt that the majority of people that will be interviewed will be of the thoughtful, intellectual level of, say, Morrissey....

 

NO, it's not a different topic at all.. Because everything you are accusing immigrants of can be applied DOUBLE (probably TRIPLE or QUADRUPLE in reality..) to our own lazy, shiftless, criminal sections of society.. It COSTS us money to (a lot more in actual fact) to keep these bloody people who do NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING for society..... I do agree that immigrants who commit serious crimes should be deported, but, I think we should get rid of other scummy elements within our society also.. And, frankly, I dont give a sh!t how that sounds.... I dont care if they're "our own" or not, get rid..... Bring back bloody Transportation!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Preferably to that Island off "Battle Royale"..... :lol:

 

Can you honestly that the majority (or, well, any really..) of Chavs are a positive benefit to the country...? No, you cant, but you can say the majority of immigrants DO work hard and DO make a positive contribution to this country, regardless of the fact that a tiny fraction of their countrymen let them down a bit (and, trust me, the majority who work hard have just as much dislike for these types of people as you or I do).. Put it this way, I know who I'd rather have living next door to me mate, simple as....

 

i agree with you that chavs and crims are a problem a far bigger one, but that ISNT the topic here. but it makes no difference, you cant ignore the migrant criminals just because we have our own crims!

 

point is that according to those statistics migrants are responsable for 20% of violent crimes... if they were not allowed in then thats 20% less violent crime plus there might be more jobs around for our bone idle chav scum who shouldnt be paid benefits when theres jobs going.

I'll watch it, but if I think for a moment that it goes into the same old tired, right-wing tabloid press territory of "bloody immigrants taking our jobs, (even though we're too bloody lazy to do 'em...)", or "This was a nice neighbourhood before them ruddy Darkies/Poles/P@kis/Muslims/Jews (delete as appropriate) moved in..", then I'm afraid I'll be switching off... I dont wanna hear that sh!te.....

 

I somehow doubt that the majority of people that will be interviewed will be of the thoughtful, intellectual level of, say, Morrissey....

 

last nights show wasnt like that... it was nearly 100% black on black.

 

it was done by rageh omaar... a somali.... hardly right wing tabloid bollox is it!!!

 

it was a very good programme although the 'anti powel' lobby wont be too pleased with it.

i agree with you that chavs and crims are a problem a far bigger one, but that ISNT the topic here. but it makes no difference, you cant ignore the migrant criminals just because we have our own crims!

 

point is that according to those statistics migrants are responsable for 20% of violent crimes... if they were not allowed in then thats 20% less violent crime plus there might be more jobs around for our bone idle chav scum who shouldnt be paid benefits when theres jobs going.

 

Well, for a start, I dont believe those statistics are fact anyway (and more fool you if you do..), especially from such a biased, right-wing source as the Torygraph... They've included people charged, not just those actually found guilty (two totally different things, and if you dont like it, well, you dont like the principle basis on which our bloody LAWS are founded mate...).. And also, these are murder "statistics"... They should be treated differently from violent crime stats.. Violent Crime is all crimes involving violence, including GBH, ABH, Attempted Murder, Assault and a Fray, Mugging, Bank Robbery, etc.. I dont believe for a second that 20% of ALL violent crimes in this country are being committed by immigrants, that is just utter nonsense, you'll find absolutely no such hard data anywhere to back up that rather ridiculous BNP fairy tale...

 

I'm not ignoring the facts that SOME immigrants are committing crimes, but I just dont believe that these crimes should be blown out of proportion or given more emphasis than any other similar acts committed by "our own".... You, however, (and the Torygraph..) appear to feel the opposite.... That's just ignorance mate.....

it was a very good programme although the 'anti powel' lobby wont be too pleased with it.

 

Any reason why we should be...? If you use the language or the arguments of a racist, well, then that makes you one as well, by association, mate...

 

If people cant make a debate on this topic without resorting to revisionist views of history, then perhaps their argument isn't worth making..... Contrast with what Morrissey had to say in his NME interview (well, the parts that weren't distorted by that rag to attempt to discredit him....), not ONCE did he resort to racist arguments or, indeed, quote racists to make his points.... That is the proper way to argue the toss....

 

it was done by rageh omaar... a somali.... hardly right wing tabloid bollox is it!!!

 

So, I'm supposed to give this prog more credence because of the presenter's racial/ethnic origins???? :lol: :lol: Please mate.. EVERY programme that's made out there is to serve someone's agenda.... It remains to be seen whose agenda this one serves... I'll look at it, but I dont believe for one second that it is totally without bias to some argument.. The fact that the prog seems to give respectability to Powell's racist cause and agenda is one which turns me off straight away, WHOEVER or WHEREVER the argument is coming from....

 

Rageh Omar should beware before defending the likes of Powell, if Powell had had his way, he'd be in Somalia, probably dead and buried, a victim of that country's tribal conflicts....

 

So, I'm supposed to give this prog more credence because of the presenter's racial/ethnic origins???? :lol: :lol: Please mate.. EVERY programme that's made out there is to serve someone's agenda.... It remains to be seen whose agenda this one serves... I'll look at it, but I dont believe for one second that it is totally without bias to some argument.. The fact that the prog seems to give respectability to Powell's racist cause and agenda is one which turns me off straight away, WHOEVER or WHEREVER the argument is coming from....

 

Rageh Omar should beware before defending the likes of Powell, if Powell had had his way, he'd be in Somalia, probably dead and buried, a victim of that country's tribal conflicts....

 

yes.

 

what agenda would rageh omaar have?... surely if any it would be to ridicule powel.

 

its saying something when a jorno who should be belittling powel actually (so far) ends up showing that what he actually predicted is in part at least...comming true.

 

but you would never ever admit powel was right, even if there was rivers of bloody, because YOU are narrow minded and couldnt possibly admit that the racist bigot actually was right!

but you would never ever admit powel was right, even if there was rivers of bloody, because YOU are narrow minded and couldnt possibly admit that the racist bigot actually was right!

 

If it is becoming true, it's because racist b/astards like him and the fukkin' Tories made it happen... By forcing people into ghettos and sh!tty living conditions, by disenfranchising them, by virtually cutting them off from the rest of society and treating them with suspicion and like they were the "others", by setting up the conditions for 'siege mentalities' to exist.. You want evidence? For bloody DECADES the Asian Muslim population was absolutely no problem at all in this country, all of a sudden, we pick a totally unnecessary fight with the Muslim world over Iraq and the "War on Terror" (and no, Sept 11th WAS NOT our fukkin' problem, it was the fukkin YANKS' problem, what the fukk did THEY do to help us with the IRA - FUNDED THEM THAT'S WHAT...), and now we're in the sh!tter because of siding with an ignorant, redneck fukkin' TEXAS COWBOY .... <_< <_<

 

You want more evidence..?

 

Brixton, Toxteth, Handsworth in the 80s

The Stephen Lawrence affair in the 90s

The "Tipton Three/Guanatanamo Bay Affair", Abu Ghraib, Illegal War in Iraq, Illegal detention of suspects in Bellmarsh in the 00s

 

Don't EVER tell me that the ethnic minorities don't have a right to be more than a little pissed off at the white establishment in this country.... VIRTUALLY NOTHING HAS FUKKIN' CHANGED...... <_<

the tories made it happen?... how tf does THAT work?...

 

migrants ended up in poorer housing simply because they couldnt effing afford owt else! its got nothing to do with racist attitudes that determined where people lived.

 

people of similar cultural backgrounds naturally settle in communual areas.

 

according to dispatches last night the rise in fundamental islamic beliefs didnt start with any invasion of iraq, but when salmond rushdie published 'the satanic verses', THAT was the catalyst that united british muslims and that was 2 years before iraq part 1.

 

black on black violence which is on the rise has nothing to do with the tories, the bnp, powel or anyone else. its an imported race hate problem. races fighting battles that they have brought with them.

 

powel of course could just be proven right, for whatever reasons.

the tories made it happen?... how tf does THAT work?...

 

migrants ended up in poorer housing simply because they couldnt effing afford owt else! its got nothing to do with racist attitudes that determined where people lived.

 

Really, tell that to all the black or Asian folks denied housing in the 50s and 60s by racist landlords or guesthouse operators.... <_<

 

Enoch and the Tories fostered a racist attitude within this country with their speeches, which hardly helped matters. You just cant see it can you..? The Tories created the atmosphere of bigotry that existed in this country in the 50s and 60s, Powell's speech led directly to the rise of fascist groups in this country, the NF quoted Powell on their literature, it really is quite shamful that Rage Omaar is actually lending this man and his beliefs credence (an 'Uncle Tom' perhaps?).... And then when they came to power in the early 80s, the sh!t they and the police caused in black areas lead to all sorts of problems... You've clearly never even heard of the "Scarman Report" have you....? Nor the report into the murder of Stephen Lawrence....

 

"The Satanic Verses" only inspired a 'fatwa' against one bloke (whom they still aint got to despite it being 20 years on, so they obviously aint all that concerned about Rushdie are they...?) and a bit of hot air on some discussion progs, hardly the same thing as is happening now....

Really, tell that to all the black or Asian folks denied housing in the 50s and 60s by racist landlords or guesthouse operators.... <_<

 

Enoch and the Tories fostered a racist attitude within this country with their speeches, which hardly helped matters. You just cant see it can you..? The Tories created the atmosphere of bigotry that existed in this country in the 50s and 60s, Powell's speech led directly to the rise of fascist groups in this country, the NF quoted Powell on their literature, it really is quite shamful that Rage Omaar is actually lending this man and his beliefs credence (an 'Uncle Tom' perhaps?).... And then when they came to power in the early 80s, the sh!t they and the police caused in black areas lead to all sorts of problems... You've clearly never even heard of the "Scarman Report" have you....? Nor the report into the murder of Stephen Lawrence....

 

"The Satanic Verses" only inspired a 'fatwa' against one bloke (whom they still aint got to despite it being 20 years on, so they obviously aint all that concerned about Rushdie are they...?) and a bit of hot air on some discussion progs, hardly the same thing as is happening now....

 

yeah britain was inherantly racist, fostered not only by the tories though! in fact id give some credit to tarzan heseltine who looked into the race riots in 81 and went some way into integrating black issues into government thinking.

 

according to the muslim cleric interviewed on dispatches it WAS the satanic verses that unified british muslims, resulting in the fatwa. HE said that attendances and interest amongst young british muslims grew markedly as a direct result of that book. sorry but your version that it was the war in iraq (where we helped an invaded muslim country) just WASNT the initial catalyst.

Yes, but four out of five aren't foreigners. The logic really does not work. =/

 

 

My sentiments exactly. There is a good percentage of foreigners in every country so of course something similar to this statstic would happen, how could someone expect for it to not?