This attitude is awful. I'm sure Goldfrapp themselves were aiming to extend their fanbase; what group wouldn't want their music, their passion, broadcast to as wide a rang of people as possible? You talk about the new fans brought in during the Supernature era as if it's a bad thing. Why must it be a bad thing? Because, in your experience, some of them were ignorant at the concerts? That's not every one of the new fans by a long shot. You don't seem to have any real reason for being so bitter towards the fans who came on board during Supernature. In actual fact, Goldfrapp should be, and I don't doubt are, very glad that they exploded in 2005 because who knows where they'd be now if they hadn't. It's hard to say whether they would've been allowed the totally free artistic license to go in the direction they have with Seventh Tree, without that new lease of life in 05.

 

Well, this just shows that you really know not a lot about Goldfrapp at all mate... They certainly were pretty damn well known before 2005... "Black Cherry" was a successful album and went UK Platinum, so not exactly "unknowns" were they....?

 

You know, your area of expertise just seems to be in the mainstream/manufactured pop area... Goldfrapp is neither of these things, so I guess I can forgive your lack of knowledge....

Don't patronise me. Black Cherry eventually did go Platinum (260k sold) after Supernature came out, but the latter album was hugely more successful (not that Cherry wasn't). That's irrelevant though; my point still stands that there's no need whatsoever to take such issue with fans who, *gasp*, dared to come on board after Ooh La La or Number 1, or whenever. Fans are still fans and if they buy Goldfrapp's records or pay to see them on tour they don't deserved to be looked down on.

Fans are still fans and if they buy Goldfrapp's records or pay to see them on tour they don't deserved to be looked down on.

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I "look down" on them because they were a bunch of ignorant, clueless w/ankers who spoiled an otherwise great gig that I went to (and I make no excuses for saying this, because it obviously p!ssed off Alison and Will as well because it was by no means one isolated incident).... if you're a "fan" then you should have knowledge of all of an artist's material not just jump on a bandwagon for one particular album and not bother with the rest of the stuff....

 

Half of the public buy gig tickets without owning any of the albums, that's just how it works. Kylie has just played to roughly 300,000 people or more on the UK leg of her X tour (100,000 in Manchester alone). The majority of those people don't even own X, never mind her previous records, but they still pay £50 to watch a 3-hour extravaganza of a concert. Like Kylie, Goldfrapp are an act who very much make music to take on the road; so what if people go without owning Felt Mountain or Black Cherry? Hearing songs performed live for the first time is just as good a what of tapping into a back catalogue.

And no, I'm not comparing the quality of Kylie and Goldfrapp's musical outputs. :heehee: Merely the way music is taken on the road.

Hearing songs performed live for the first time is just as good a what of tapping into a back catalogue.

 

Oh, I agree - although personally, I wouldn't dream of forking out for gig tickets if I didn't own most if not all of the albums by the band I was seeing - and Goldfrapp are hardly a band with a humungous back catalogue - I mean, before Supernature, there were only 2 albums - and they're both available for a fiver everywhere, so it wasn't difficult for the audience to do a bit of background before they went.

 

My issue was that the people at the Supernature gigs seemed utterly disinterested in even hearing anything that wasn't on the album - to the point of using mobiles throughout the really slow songs off the first 2 albums - tracks like my personal fave, Deer Stop, which are massively atmospheric and gorgeous, were spoiled by quite a large proportion of the audience either chatting through them or ringing up their mates.

 

Which in anyone's book is bloody annoying and rude to the extreme.

I "look down" on them because they were a bunch of ignorant, clueless w/ankers who spoiled an otherwise great gig that I went to (and I make no excuses for saying this, because it obviously p!ssed off Alison and Will as well because it was by no means one isolated incident).... if you're a "fan" then you should have knowledge of all of an artist's material not just jump on a bandwagon for one particular album and not bother with the rest of the stuff....

Whilst I agree with you in that it's and incredibly rude thing to do but do you HAVE to know of all an acts work before you go to a gig? Can you not just casually go to a gig concert in the hope you might like it? And can you honestly say for every gig you've been to you've previously known ALL of the artists material?!

Whilst I agree with you in that it's and incredibly rude thing to do but do you HAVE to know of all an acts work before you go to a gig? Can you not just casually go to a gig concert in the hope you might like it? And can you honestly say for every gig you've been to you've previously known ALL of the artists material?!

 

I certainly would be aware of the majority of a band's material; the only thing that would really stop me from obtaining all of the material of a band I liked would be the fact that early stuff may be deleted or near impossible to obtain in this country (that happens sometimes with European Metal/Goth bands that I listen to...) and, as has been pointed out, they had two previous albums at this point, neither of which were exactly difficult to obtain nor all that long in length... Goldfrapp albums never seem to go over the 45-minute mark...

 

Regardless though, I would never EVER disrespect an artist or the long-term fans of an artist to the degree that some of these tw@ts did though mate.... As Russ said, it was just sheer disinterest and ignorance....

 

Contrast this experience with another gig experience I had a few years back when I went to see the Slayer/Slipknot double header in Wembley... Most of Slipknot's fans had never heard Slayer before, but they sure didn't disrespect them, quite the opposite, they totally got into them.. A whole gaggle of teenage 'Knot fans spotted me and my mates in our "Old Skool" Metal band shirts, came over excitedly and said "man, those guys were COOOOOOOL, what albums should we get of theirs....?". So, what are we saying here... ? A bunch of 14 year olds can show more respect for a band and be better behaved as opposed to a bunch of grown-up people who should really have been old enough to know better....?

 

Half of the public buy gig tickets without owning any of the albums, that's just how it works. Kylie has just played to roughly 300,000 people or more on the UK leg of her X tour (100,000 in Manchester alone). The majority of those people don't even own X, never mind her previous records, but they still pay £50 to watch a 3-hour extravaganza of a concert. Like Kylie, Goldfrapp are an act who very much make music to take on the road; so what if people go without owning Felt Mountain or Black Cherry? Hearing songs performed live for the first time is just as good a what of tapping into a back catalogue.

 

No comparison though mate... Whether on road or not... Kylie is pretty much ALL about the "Spectacle" because her actual music is pretty insubstantial so it needs a big show put on.. Goldfrapp is deffo more about the actual music because their music is a lot stronger and has more substance to it, Goldfrapp performances are far more low-key than Kylie ones mate because they don't need the big extravaganzas, the music itself is enough....

I knew you'd take that comparison far too literally. All I meant by it was that the public will willingly buy gig tickets without owning even the current studio album, never mind previous ones.

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You shouldn't do that with Goldfrapp though, different genres, different vibes created at gigs.... A knowledge of the music is necessary when you go to a Goldfrapp gig and is definitely expected by the artist, not so much so with Kylie. As I say, people can always get by on the "spectacle" itself, and come on, even people who cant stand Kylie have heard most of the singles, she's hardly ever been off the radio for the past 20 ruddy years... :P :lol:

 

People were going to Goldfrapp gigs with entirely the WRONG attitude and wrong expectations, you need to really KNOW Goldfrapp's material because she's not gonna compromise her shows for the sake of a bunch of newbies.....

 

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I'm just wondering why you're making such a comparison at all mate.... It's a bit like comparing U2 to Iron Maiden don't you think....? I mean, both bands play what can loosely be defined as "Guitar Rock", they both put on large Stadium concerts, but really, what the hell else do they have in common - musically NOTHING, chalk and cheese mate... Ditto with Kylie and Goldfrapp.. Both blonde singers doing electronic/synthy-based stuff.. But, erm, that's it.... Different styles, different approaches, different attitudes, just different full stop.....

 

Haven't you read what I said? I used the comparison because I went to two Kylie concerts in July and at both a large portion of the audience didn't know the album tracks or the rarities, but the atmosphere wasn't ruined, far from. I was using it to back up my point about attending concerts without a full knowledge of the back catalogue. They needn't be the same genre for me to do that.

Haven't you read what I said? I used the comparison because I went to two Kylie concerts in July and at both a large portion of the audience didn't know the album tracks or the rarities, but the atmosphere wasn't ruined, far from. I was using it to back up my point about attending concerts without a full knowledge of the back catalogue. They needn't be the same genre for me to do that.

 

SIGH... But you CANNOT COMPARE KYLIE TO GOLDFRAPP....... Don't YOU get that......? Like I say - different attitudes, different audiences.... With Kylie it's hardly necessary to know the material off by heart because the SHOW itself is the thing, it's like theatre...... Goldfrapp doesn't really do big theatrical stuff like that, you dont get umpteen fukkin' costume changes at a Goldfrapp gig......

 

 

 

Right, if you will take issue with every tiny comment then I can't contend with that, and don't wish to. I'm telling you that's what audiences DO - don't YOU get THAT?

 

You know I'm right because you've said yourself that's what the new fans at the Goldfrapp gig were doing, so whilst you're taking issue with my statement, there's no need because I AM right, no? That IS what they did?

I agree that you can't compare the two.

 

The closest they come is when "not an original thought in her little head" Minogue did her Goldfrapp-by-numbers abortion for the 2Hearts single... I mean, she copied Alison Goldfrapp down to the bloody microphone! Copied her atrociously, I may add.... "Tonight, Matthew/Cat...I'm going to be... err... who did my gay stylist tell me to be tonight? :blink: "

Just booked some tickets to see them, can't wait to hear Ooh La La, Ride A White Horse & Caravan Girl ooh also Number 1, hope they sing them :D gonna be a rave of a night :dance:

Right, if you will take issue with every tiny comment then I can't contend with that, and don't wish to. I'm telling you that's what audiences DO - don't YOU get THAT?

 

You know I'm right because you've said yourself that's what the new fans at the Goldfrapp gig were doing, so whilst you're taking issue with my statement, there's no need because I AM right, no? That IS what they did?

 

HUH??? They weren't comparing her to Kylie, they were just being rude, disrespectful and downright STUPID..... I didn't hear anyone mention the "K" word......

 

If they WERE expecting a Goldfrapp show to be like a Kylie show (which, as I say, would be a bit like a U2 fan going to an Iron Maiden gig and expecting Bruce Dickinson to pretend to be Jesus... :lol: ), then they are bloody idiots, and surely have absolutely NO understanding of what Goldfrapp's music AS A WHOLE is about..... As you clearly don't really either mate, god knows you've proven that on several occasions in this thread, just admit it mate, you just don't really get where she's coming from.... But that's cool man, we either get stuff or we don't, I don't really "get" the fascination for Mariah Carey, Rihanna or Leona Lewis, you don't "get" Goldfrapp...... -_-

I'm not going to 'admit' (the shame of it!) that I don't 'get' Goldfrapp. I'm going to say that I only have half of their catalogue, and, like many others (and also unlike a fair few) I prefer Supernature to Seventh Tree. It doesn't have to mean I don't 'get' them as a band. Whats to 'get' anyway? Music is all about your own interpretation.

I agree that you can't compare the two.

 

The closest they come is when "not an original thought in her little head" Minogue did her Goldfrapp-by-numbers abortion for the 2Hearts single... I mean, she copied Alison Goldfrapp down to the bloody microphone! Copied her atrociously, I may add.... "Tonight, Matthew/Cat...I'm going to be... err... who did my gay stylist tell me to be tonight? :blink: "

 

In a nutshell mate... And the gig that I (and I suspect the one you were at also) was talking about was before Kylie did her whole "Goldfrapp-by-numbers" thing anyway, so, again, I don't see the comparison... At all....

 

In fact, even "Mechanical Animals"-era Marilyn Manson (ie, the Glam/Industrial Metal hybrid era..) probably has more in common with Goldfrapp than Kylie.... :lol: