I assume you meant 'sound' or 'theme' and not 'thread'? :P

 

I meant what I said mate... The word "thread" can be used in place of "theme" to mean the same thing... To put it into a sentence, "I'm not following the general thread of this conversation"... Sh!t man, what did they teach you in school....? I truly despair of this country's education system sometimes....

 

But you have to admit, there's not a lot of variation there.. The genres of most of these acts cross-over each other.... It's a wee bit pedestrian dude..... If I were to do a similar thing, you'd see Goldfrapp, P J Harvey, Portishead, Arch Enemy and Dresden Dolls going head to head (and guess what, ALL of these acts are female-fronted, so your picking of female acts has no real bearing on what I say.... :lol: )

Well Sooorrrrryyyyyy! :rolleyes:

 

I do apologise for obviously having c**p, ignorant taste in music that I have the audacity to like the new Goldfrapp album over their last album.

 

After all their Supernature album must be their best because it is their biggest seller and got "Old Frapp" Madonna & "Botox Frapp" Kylie in to rip them off plus it is the one album liked by fans of Top40 music?

 

Clearly my music tastes are so narrow, as evidenced by my Top100 Albums & Top101 Singles of All-Time (click on the threads in my signature).

 

The fact that my two favourite albums of all-time are David Bowie's Hunky Dory & Kate Bush's Hounds Of Love whose organic, rustic, atmospheric, emotional, very traditional English sound with classical string arrangements which clearly influenced the new Goldfrapp album is proof of that.

 

David Bowie - Quicksand

 

Kate Bush - Hello Earth

 

I obviously need to listen to "talented" artists like Joss Stone, Cascada, Ashlee Simpson, Fall Out Boy, etc instead of c**p like David Bowie, Kate Bush, Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pixies, etc.

 

Still shame on me for having the audacity to like Joanna Newson whom I saw at the Royal Albert Hall last year.

 

Obviously all those Kylie/Madonna fans who bought Supernature & talked all over the likes of Utopia & Lovely Head from Felt Mountain when they performed live on their last tour were in the right then, as they are younger so therefore clearly have superior taste in popular music than fuddy duddies like me, Russ & Scott who should be banned from posting outside of the Retro forum as obviously we know nothing about good music because we are obviously too old, therefore our opinions on music are clearly invalid.

 

:rolleyes:

Richard READ what I say. You're missing the point entirely. I'm not going around accusing anyone of having 'narrow' taste. Especially not you, I do view your various year end polls and what not. Where did I say you had c**p, ignorant music taste? :/

 

Why would I prefer 'Supernature' because it sold the most? My taste is generally indie-orientated. I haven't liked one mainstream album yet this year. But that should generally be besides the point here.

 

Again, I adore Kate Bush, she's one of my all time favourite artists. I'm not sure which album I could call my favourite be it 'Hounds of Love', 'Aerial' or 'The Kick Inside' I adore them each for different reasons. Though I think this is a discussion entirely relevant to a thread of her own...

 

As for those artists Richard, you are well aware I like none of them. I haven't charted any of them. So arguing that is ridiculous in itself.

 

And I KEEP SAYING IT. I LOVE JOANNA NEWSOM TOO. YS IS ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVOURITE ALBUMS. SO WHERE IS THE AUDACITY COME FROM HERE?

 

And finally no, of course young people/me/whatever have not got superior taste. No-one's taste in music is superior. We all have different tastes in what we like, be it folk, pop, hip-hop, Dance, trance, glitch, techno, avant-garde, noise-pop, 'emo', rock, alt-rack, country etc. Who is to say what is good and what is bad?

 

Richard, I fail to fathom why you are so determined to be against here. We're two very similarly-minded musical people yet you seem determined to make age an issue.

I do not understand the arrogance of this thread. It's only Goldfrapp!

 

It's basically a bunch of comitted FANS (the older, original ones, and the newer ones) having a bit of a barney...

 

Y'know, if we actually had a FORUM to do this in..... :lol: :lol:

 

And Jark, you know what, don't take what I say too much to heart dude.. I actually quite like our sparring... :lol:

 

Joanna Newsome is okay... But personally, I'd've been more impressed had you guys said someone like Emilie Autumn or The Dresden Dolls to make the point of your diverse tastes in music.... :lol:

 

Still, anyone who has Ladytron in their sig can't be all bad.... ;) Quality band, and frankly, I prefer what they do to what Goldfrapp does in many ways.... They take electro-soundclash to a totally different level (esp on the first two albums which are probably my faves.....).. If you like Ladytron, you should really check out some of the artists on the SPV/Out of Line record label - mostly European acts (German, Belgian, etc...), stuff like Suicide Commando, Rotersand, And One, Hocico (who are just fukkin' awesome and MEXICAN...), Unterart, Laibach, Client (British act...)....

I'm well aware of who the Dresden Dolls are again :/ 'A is for Accident' and the self-titled one are both decent albums. I never got round to downloading 'Yes, Virgina'. They have a b-sides shindig sort of thing out later this month. I may download both simultaneously.

 

Adore Ladytron. I have all 4 of their albums. Though their most recent is my favourite. 'Velocifero' which is out next month. Stunning album from start to finish.

 

Again, I've charted the last 4 Client singles on my personal chart. Me and Ruust have had convos about them.

I meant what I said mate... The word "thread" can be used in place of "theme" to mean the same thing... To put it into a sentence, "I'm not following the general thread of this conversation"... Sh!t man, what did they teach you in school....? I truly despair of this country's education system sometimes....

I am an A-grade A-level English Language student; I do understand that you can follow the thread of a conversation, I merely assumed you had confused lingo there because a list is a slightly odd context to use that term within. Still, my mistake.

 

And I am not offended by anything anybody says, because I know that I'm happy listening to what I do already, and I realise that this is the internet and we are beings who will most likely never meet, so worry not.

 

^_^

Edited May 5, 200817 yr by Jark

What about Depeche Mode...? Nick Cave..? Dave Gahan's last solo album...? I'm pretty damn sure their stuff doesn't come cheap, DM are a flagship act for Mute... Fair enough, DM have done loads for Mute in the past, but the past few albums have done merely "alright"... For the likes of Sony or Warners, that would be a 'dropping' offence.... Mute support DM and Cave because they see their musical worth (not to mention the worth of their formidable back catatlogues...)

I know all of this. But Mute have spent a hell of a lot more on promotion for 'Seventh Tree'...

It's basically a bunch of comitted FANS (the older, original ones, and the newer ones) having a bit of a barney...

 

Y'know, if we actually had a FORUM to do this in..... :lol: :lol:

I have been a fan pre-'Supernature' so yeah to that one :s :/...

Oh my god. The difference between you and Grimly is that however badly either of you can come across, he at least has justifications for what he says. You look a true fool coming out with statements like that, and everybody can see it. I pity you.

 

oh Jark... for once, please stop acting your age. Your posts are becoming increasingly arm-flappingly camp and boring.

 

You have zero musical knowledge to back up any argument you try to create here - zero - nada - nothing. "How can you say that

" you squeal... easy.... I check your records of the week most weeks. It's at best simply ordinary, at worst just.... dire.

 

You prove what musical insight you have with your breathtakingly awful selection of music in your top 20 each week - which is usually filled with Dannii Minogue b-sides and whatever cripplingly bland r'n'b you've found polluting the cable music channels this week.

 

Never, not once, have I had the experience of checking your top 20 and discovered anything new. Do you actually listen to music that doesn't hit the top 40? Do you ever go to gigs? Do you ever visit a record shop that doesn't sell tampons and nappies next to the new release albums? You can check Jester's chart, Mikey's, Thisispop's, Medicatedsoap's.... always something there to enlighten me, always something there that I wouldn't normally have listened to, always something there to reaffirm my belief that Buzzjack does actually have some members who really do like music. And not just music Radio One, Simoncowelllouiswalsh or MTV foist on us. Real, bona-fide, interesting music..... stuff you wouldn't find loitering in a Woolworths bargain bin 2 weeks after release. Because, well, Woolworths probably wouldn't stock it anyway.

 

You're a hotheaded, big-mouthed, ill-informed, run-of-the-mill and rather boring teenager who likes shouting his mouth off to create a scene - yet, when put on the spot, really can't elaborate on any opinions... because, well, you don't really have any that anybody cares to listen to. You spout off about a dazzling array of topics - yet you're ill-informed on seemngly every single one of them. You have the gall to loudly pronounce one Goldfrapp album their best - yet have already mentioned... you have only ever heard less than half of the band's released output. How ridiculous is it to make such a statement when it's so obviously half-baked?

 

Whilst I'm sure you'd do rather well in a sixth-form public speaking competition, discussing the wit and wisdom of Dannii Minogue.... on this particular section of Buzzjack, you really do make yourself appear to be what you are - a young run-of-the-mill rather bland textbook teenager with far too many opinions.... but far too little actual knowledge or experience to back any of those opinions up.

 

Anyway, enough kindergarden... back to Goldfrapp and their awful new single....

I obviously need to listen to "talented" artists like Joss Stone, Cascada, Ashlee Simpson, Fall Out Boy, etc instead of c**p like David Bowie, Kate Bush, Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pixies, etc.

 

Still shame on me for having the audacity to like Joanna Newson whom I saw at the Royal Albert Hall last year.

 

Obviously all those Kylie/Madonna fans who bought Supernature & talked all over the likes of Utopia & Lovely Head from Felt Mountain when they performed live on their last tour were in the right then, as they are younger so therefore clearly have superior taste in popular music than fuddy duddies like me, Russ & Scott who should be banned from posting outside of the Retro forum as obviously we know nothing about good music because we are obviously too old, therefore our opinions on music are clearly invalid.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Whaaaat? Where are you getting these ideas from? I'm young, and I hate Joss Tone, Cascada, Ashlee Simpson, and Fall Out Boy. While I do not listen to David Bowie and Led Zeppelin, I have every Kate Bush studio album + various b-sides/demos and consider her one of my favorite musicians ever, and I also have various Beatles albums. Where Is My Mind is definitely one of my favorite songs, and I adore the Pixies. I do not see where you are getting this idea that because we are young we have a $h!t taste in music. You've commented on my chart before and surely you have noticed the lack of Cascada and the like on it? I'm not saying that my taste in music is better or any of that nonsense as music is quite arbitrary. Who's to say who has a better taste in music than someone else? There is no concrete answer. And have I once mentioned age? Has Jake? Has Jark even? It baffles me that there needs to be such a divide between the young and old on the site.

 

Joanna Newsome is okay... But personally, I'd've been more impressed had you guys said someone like Emilie Autumn or The Dresden Dolls to make the point of your diverse tastes in music.... :lol:

 

I own A Is For Accident, The Dresden Dolls, Yes Virginia, and I have No, Virginia on my computer. I've also seen them live in 2005 and 2006. They are excellent.

 

I'm not quite sure what age/how long you have been a fan really has to do with anything tbh. How long I have been a Goldfrapp fan / my age in general is irrelevant. I have explained why I like Supernature over Seventh Tree. It is not because it sold more copies / had higher charting singles / had a more 'commercial' sound (though commercial music can be good if executed well, usually it is not, but still...), surely if you saw my latest personal chart you would see I could not give a damn about sales.

I quite like Goldfrapp. This single seems to be a pretty good choice just like the rest of their releases. I really like 'A&E,' 'Happiness,' and much of the album. I recently started listening to most of their singles from the past 3 albums and I like what I hear so far. ^_^ 'Ooh La La' was the only track I had downloaded and liked from them for the longest time up to their latest release sadly. I've come to realize that much of their stuff seems to be quite a bit better. :lol:

This thread is hilarious. I usually find myself agreeing with the likes of Russ, TiP and Grimly in posts to do with music all the time, but on this occasion I simply cannot. It really is the worst musical snobbry I've ever seen posted anywhere. Any opinion, by any poster, no matter what on or how relevent, just seems to be completely ignored, belittled and 'proved' to be wrong with little logical or reasonable argument going off the matter in hand (using Cascada and Ashlee Simpson in an argument where its known no one can stand them - WTF?!) and instead listing a load of bands they 'should be' (and are!) aware of to prove that their taste is vastly superior and that the bands they like are better than the ones your do. Never have I read such ignorant c**p in all my life! And like I said, from people who I agree with 99% of the time!

 

You're probably not meant to be coming accross like this, but from an outsider reading it you really are. One of the most cringeworthy things I've ever read on this site.

Edited May 5, 200817 yr by RabbitFurCoat

This thread is hilarious. I usually find myself agreeing with the likes of Russ, TiP and Grimly in posts to do with music all the time, but on this occasion I simply cannot. It really is the worst musical snobbry I've ever seen posted anywhere. Any opinion, by any poster, no matter what on or how relevent, just seems to be completely ignored, belittled and 'proved' to be wrong with little logical or reasonable argument going off the matter in hand (using Cascada and Ashlee Simpson in an argument where its known no one can stand them - WTF?!) and instead listing a load of bands they 'should be' (and are!) aware of to prove that their taste is vastly superior and that the bands they like are better than the ones your do. Never have I read such ignorant c**p in all my life! And like I said, from people who I agree with 99% of the time!

 

You're probably not meant to be coming accross like this, but from an outsider reading it you really are. One of the most cringeworthy things I've ever read on this site.

The first post in this topic that can be deemed worthy.

 

I dont understand why someone who is perceived as being rather intelligent, feels the need to bring artists that have absolutely no relevance to this thread whatsoever, to just make personal attacks about taste. Wtf does it matter if someone likes Ashlee Simpson or bloody CRAZY FROG for that matter. Music = opinion. No one can tell someone what to like :/

 

I've had this very same arguement with exactly the same people many a time on this site :( People should just ignore them. Let them think their superior just because they have 20 years plus on everyone else and always think their opinion is FACT.

 

Anyway:

 

"Caravan Girl" is a pretty $h!t choice. I wanted "Clowns".

Oh and please because it usually happens. Dont reply Russ with your usual "Oh Ryan, you have displayed so many times, you dont have much intelligence" because it is INDEED BORING :( I know this and does one care? I think not.

 

I actually much prefer "Seventh Tree" to "Supernature". Supernature is quite a bad album in all honesty very much filler and turd.

 

But i dont feel the need to shoot down THESE POOR FOLK who actually like it :)

Edited May 5, 200817 yr by Ryan

This thread is hilarious. I usually find myself agreeing with the likes of Russ, TiP and Grimly in posts to do with music all the time, but on this occasion I simply cannot. It really is the worst musical snobbry I've ever seen posted anywhere. Any opinion, by any poster, no matter what on or how relevent, just seems to be completely ignored, belittled and 'proved' to be wrong with little logical or reasonable argument going off the matter in hand (using Cascada and Ashlee Simpson in an argument where its known no one can stand them - WTF?!) and instead listing a load of bands they 'should be' (and are!) aware of to prove that their taste is vastly superior and that the bands they like are better than the ones your do. Never have I read such ignorant c**p in all my life! And like I said, from people who I agree with 99% of the time!

 

You're probably not meant to be coming accross like this, but from an outsider reading it you really are. One of the most cringeworthy things I've ever read on this site.

 

Well, excuse me all to hell..... You try going to a concert and having some of your favourite songs by that act ruined by a bunch of fukkin' tw@ts jabbering uninteresing sh"te to each other instead of actually LISTENING TO THE BAND!!!!! Bad enough being stuck up in the balcony at a gig, even worse having to deal with dickheads who have scant respect for the artist THEY'VE ACTUALLY PAID TO SEE.... When you hear some idiot declare "Oooh, she's a bit in love with the sound of her own voice in't she" regarding "Utopia" (one of their BEST songs, in fact one of the BEST songs any artist has committed to record IMO..), I DARE YOU to not be a bit pissed off....

 

This is what's happened with Goldfrapp.... Their last album attracted a lot of morons with little or NO KNOWLEDGE of their music beyond that one rather weak album....

 

And this post is directed to you as well Ryan....

 

And, Yeah I damn well DO have a wide musical knowledge base, and I resent being lectured at by somebody who clearly doesn't have as wide a variety as I, CoD and Russ do.. It aint "snobbery", it's just a fact...

Well, excuse me all to hell..... You try going to a concert and having some of your favourite songs by that act ruined by a bunch of fukkin' tw@ts jabbering uninteresing sh"te to each other instead of actually LISTENING TO THE BAND!!!!! Bad enough being stuck up in the balcony at a gig, even worse having to deal with dickheads who have scant respect for the artist THEY'VE ACTUALLY PAID TO SEE.... When you hear some idiot declare "Oooh, she's a bit in love with the sound of her own voice in't she" regarding "Utopia" (one of their BEST songs, in fact one of the BEST songs any artist has committed to record IMO..), I DARE YOU to not be a bit pissed off....

 

What does that have to do with anything? You are just going in circles, posting with no basis.

Edited May 6, 200817 yr by Brokentelephone

This is what's happened with Goldfrapp.... Their last album attracted a lot of morons with little or NO KNOWLEDGE of their music beyond that one rather weak album....

 

Excuse me? I wasn't a fan of Goldfrapp before 'Seventh Tree'. So you're calling most people who don't own a Goldfrapp album before 'Seventh Tree' morons? I had pretty much no knowledge of the band before I first heard 'A&E' and tbh I'm not that interested in listening to older stuff by them, does that make me a moron?

Its alright, I would have preferred it if 'Clowns' was the third release. I don't however think 'Clowns' would have been a successful single..

Well, excuse me all to hell..... You try going to a concert and having some of your favourite songs by that act ruined by a bunch of fukkin' tw@ts jabbering uninteresing sh"te to each other instead of actually LISTENING TO THE BAND!!!!! Bad enough being stuck up in the balcony at a gig, even worse having to deal with dickheads who have scant respect for the artist THEY'VE ACTUALLY PAID TO SEE.... When you hear some idiot declare "Oooh, she's a bit in love with the sound of her own voice in't she" regarding "Utopia" (one of their BEST songs, in fact one of the BEST songs any artist has committed to record IMO..), I DARE YOU to not be a bit pissed off....

But who has said anywhere in this thread that it's wrong to be mad at the people who only knew the Supernature songs at the concert? Of course you have a right to be pissed off by that, but it doesn't automatically group those of us on this site who prefer Supernature into the category of tasteless morons! The similarity between me and those ends at becoming a fan at the time of Supernature - I would never go the gig and ruin it for the fans who knew their entire back catalogue!

 

And Jonny, no it does not make you a snob whatsoever. There's no reason that you should feel obliged to trawl through the band's older material merely because you enjoy the new album. If we did that for every artist we listened to there simply wouldn't be enough hours in the day ever to listen to it all!

 

Ryan dear, asking Russ to avoid a petty response is like asking our beloved Janft to sing about a topic other than her own love box. Aint gonna happen, basically! :heehee:

Excuse me? I wasn't a fan of Goldfrapp before 'Seventh Tree'. So you're calling most people who don't own a Goldfrapp album before 'Seventh Tree' morons? I had pretty much no knowledge of the band before I first heard 'A&E' and tbh I'm not that interested in listening to older stuff by them, does that make me a moron?

 

Listen, if you had to put up with the sorts of ignorant, disrespectful pricks me and my friends had to (and I'd been to Goldfrapp gigs previous to this with no such experiences of this nature..), the word "morons" would be probably the most polite thought in your head.... I had thought it was an isolated incident, but when Russ posted his similar experiences at the last show he saw, well, I think it's rather a pattern emerging here.... I wouldn't call you a 'moron' (unless you were behind me at a gig acting like a total arse and showing no respect to the artist...), but I dont honestly get why if you call yourself a "fan", you wouldn't be interested in checking out the other material...

 

 

no reason that you should feel obliged to trawl through the band's older material merely because you enjoy the new album.

 

Dude, you make it sound like a chore, as opposed to showing a bit of love for an artist.... I always do that for bands that I pick up on... I got into "Ladytron" pretty late in the day (album three), but I made the effort to check out the first two, and hell yeah!!!! Ended up enjoying "604" and "Light and Magic" far more than "Witching Hour".... :lol: :lol: So, it's worth doing definitely for an artist you reckon you might stick with...

 

I'm a busy chap myself, but I get a fair bit of time to listen to music on the bus to and from work (living in London, traffic jams are a fact of life, I can easily get through at least one album a day...), managed to listen to "Velocifero" today... BLOODY FANTASTIC!!!!!!!! :cheer: :cheer: