Afrodisiac would plunge me into a horrific dilemma, seeing as I adore it so but I also love new music :( GLEHHH.

God... please change topic's description. It confuses me :kink: Major points likely if you send Afrodisiac :wub:

Gosh Pavel, if it pleases you. Yeah "Afrodisiac is good, just bigger than anything I've sent before.

 

Afrodisiac would plunge me into a horrific dilemma, seeing as I adore it so but I also love new music :( GLEHHH.

I see. :( I kinda want to send it but it could do a "One Word" or a "Trick Me", it's hard to tell. Then again, no one has said it would even make the final. I guess I'll see how XV begins to shape up, I don't want Rich to have another 'poor contest'.

Gosh Pavel, if it pleases you. Yeah "Afrodisiac is good, just bigger than anything I've sent before.

I see. :( I kinda want to send it but it could do a "One Word" or a "Trick Me", it's hard to tell. Then again, no one has said it would even make the final. I guess I'll see how XV begins to shape up, I don't want Rich to have another 'poor contest'.

 

send what you want, don't take me into account, I'll be too busy hosting to care what entries are actually in the contest, that's for outsiders and observers to worry about, as host I must try and stay neutral :lol: which means I can't give odds this month :snif:

 

same rules apply as always, you have a 50/50 chance of qualifying for the final, unless we have to do three semi finals and that would throw everything out :lol: I guess we have 2 new countries already and hopefully Allecian and Utopia will return which could take the total to 51 :o

This contest is gonna be huge! :o

I'd be quite intrigued to be the first host to do 3 semi-finals :o but I will only do that if we reach 52 confirmations, and then it would be 17 each in (small) semis with 9 qualifying from each and me tacked on the end to make 28 in the final :heehee:

 

if we got 51 confirmations I'd just have 25 in each semi with 13 going through from each + Rontvia to make 27 in the final...either way the final will have either 27 or 28 countries in it...

 

semis cutting out almost half of the countries would be very harsh though :lol:

 

let's make it to 52 this time!!! tell your friends to join the BJSC :kink: the info in my sig clearly isn't working :(

I don't know why, but I have this horrific vision that 3 semi-finals has a disadvantage that would make it a logistical nightmare, but I can't quite put my finger on it...:(

I don't know why, but I have this horrific vision that 3 semi-finals has a disadvantage that would make it a logistical nightmare, but I can't quite put my finger on it...:(

 

well we can all but try...it could be something to do with splitting the countries into three groups but we'd only find out if we actually did it

 

Rontvia are the kings of trying out pointless new ideas; semi final to get rid of 3 songs anyone!?! :rofl:

Got it!

 

The results suffer from being unrepresentative - something could be massively popular amongst the contests of the other two semis but end up in a very bad semi in terms of fans. This doesn't particularly matter if you have two semis - after all, then you have a half and half chance and it's fairly unlikely for something like this to happen. However, with three semis, you have a far greater chance of being split rather badly. I have no idea how this could possibly be solved...

Got it!

 

The results suffer from being unrepresentative - something could be massively popular amongst the contests of the other two semis but end up in a very bad semi in terms of fans. This doesn't particularly matter if you have two semis - after all, then you have a half and half chance and it's fairly unlikely for something like this to happen. However, with three semis, you have a far greater chance of being split rather badly. I have no idea how this could possibly be solved...

 

I don't think it can be.......

 

.... It could well be that the BJSC ends up being a victim of its own success.

 

But if we have 50+ entries then having 3 Semi Finals is the fairest way of sorting things out. But what you could do is use a seeding/ranking system for countries based on where they finished in the previous competition:

 

Take the example that you have 52 countries enter:

 

The Winner of the last contest is an automatic qualifer, but then split the other nations accordingly based on the position they finished in the previous contest.

 

Example:

 

SF1: 2, 7, 8, 13, 14, 19, 20, 25, 26, 3rd HS SF,

 

SF2: 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 27, 2nd HS SF

 

SF3: 4, 5, 10, 11, 16, 17, 22, 23, Highest Scoring losing Semi Finalist

 

etc and add the new/re-entering countries at the end.

 

So if we want the number of countries in the Final to be around the 25-27 mark; then the Top 8 in each SF go through to the Final along with the previous Winner/Host to make 25 Finalists.

 

Therefore if we have an odd number undivisible by 3 SF's simply allow the previous 2nd & if necessary 3rd placed country a place into the Final; so that there are the same number of countries in each Semi Final.

 

IE. If 54 countries enter; then The Top 3 from the previous contest get a bye into the Final; and the remaining 51 are divided into 3 Semi Finals of 17 where the Top 8 in each reach the Final:

 

24 + 3 = 27 Finalists.

 

 

I still think a completely random draw would be the fairest way to do things...like we always say, the best songs always qualify somehow anyway, regardless of where their fans are, although obviously if Rivandia, Utopia, Mdice, Jesters Kingdom and BaNG ended up together with a country like FSR Farahtyn, this could prove rather problematic :lol: maybe we'd have to split the semis by music taste :heehee: the chance of this happening of course would be incredibly slim

 

although in theory your seeding system is an interesting idea Rich, countries can go from sending terrible songs to amazing songs and vice versa from month to month so we could end up with an amazing semi and a terrible semi, with an equal number of songs going through from each. At least if it was a draw it would be up to fate to decide.

 

and I've already considered the dividing issues...I am quite happy to take myself, Quotosibb and Nickodonia through instantly to the final is such a situation arose that I would need to, e.g. 3 semis of 16/17 depending on numbers and 3 auto-qualifiers

 

what would be interesting is that most people would then only know one third of the songs by the time they reached the final so the final would feel a lot fresher, but would people still favour the songs from their semis!?!

 

we will have to try it one contest before we discard it I think, if we ever do get to 52-54 confirmations that is, there is no guarantee that we will do this month

lol so much help for Aaron choosing the song :heehee:

send what you want, don't take me into account, I'll be too busy hosting to care what entries are actually in the contest, that's for outsiders and observers to worry about, as host I must try and stay neutral :lol: which means I can't give odds this month :snif:

Yeah, but you are yet to be entirely happy with a contest you've hosted. We should be trying to make this contest one of the best yet. The potential of three semi finals is already making this contest interesting, which is a start.

 

lol so much help for Aaron choosing the song :heehee:

:lol: Well I don't think I'm asking for help yet, but it's always welcomed of course. Not sure if any of the 3 songs I'm considering are powerful enough but I like them all a lot. It's fun to read a bit of debate anyway. :heehee:

 

It's beginning to look like we might need 3 semis and I can sort of see the arguments for and against it. Three semis of 17 does seem rather small. (though the BJSC VIII semis were this size ;)) It also further splits entries up which would suck if you were an alternative song among a lot of "cheesy dance" or vice versa. But I am also against huge semis, I'm not particularly keen on listening to 26 or so songs just at the semi stages, voting in the final is tough as it is. (in that there's usually so many good songs, not that it's strenuous)

 

I dunno, sometimes you just have to make a change. To think, the top 10 from the previous contest always used to pre-qualify. (you guys had it easy!) I don't remember exactly how it happened, but that suddenly changing to only one (maybe two) must have ruffled a few feathers at least. (it certainly cost Kylienips and Land Of Jack a place in the final in VII)

oomph would be bad at all if top 10 of previous contest pre-qualify :kink: ala Eurovision.

 

but I kinda like 3 semis though, I mean we should set some rules when coming to this situations...like if we have this amount of entries we will have 3 semis or 2 semis if we have such as such entries...anyway we always have to try new things and figure it out if it's good for the future...like 2 nights of final results...wasn't it bad afterall, I enjoyed it.

I don't think 10 auto-qualifiers is a good idea actually. 3 or at least 5 suit much more.

Yeah, but you are yet to be entirely happy with a contest you've hosted. We should be trying to make this contest one of the best yet. The potential of three semi finals is already making this contest interesting, which is a start.

 

agreed, V was unplanned on my part and felt rushed whilst VIII just had a lower standard of songs...I'm very keen to trial the three semis thing, but obviously only if we get enough participants

The only other way would be to have a limit and have a first come, first served system.

 

Say, no more than 47 entries (to give 2 sems of 23) and the first 47 countries to confirm get to be in, the rest... well, tough luck! If people know a week in advance when confirmation begins there can be little to complain about!

The only other way would be to have a limit and have a first come, first served system.

 

Say, no more than 47 entries (to give 2 sems of 23) and the first 47 countries to confirm get to be in, the rest... well, tough luck! If people know a week in advance when confirmation begins there can be little to complain about!

 

I don't like that idea, some people might miss out, or be rushed into sending a song that they don't really want to send... :unsure:

 

I don't like that idea, some people might miss out, or be rushed into sending a song that they don't really want to send... :unsure:

That's why confirmation wouldn't open so early. If there's 4 weeks before contests opening confirmation 10 days or so before it's due to begin still gives enough time. There doesn't have to be something happening all of the time between contests!

I don't like the idea of first come first served principle. If you're a big country that missed out - most likely this will be getting you off this contest a bit by a bit. We could make a 30 entries final as a maximum number. 30 is only +2 from 28. Not really matters for me tbh. More qualifiers it'd bring.

30 finalists would dilute the points even more...I always thought 24/25 was an optimum number but the popular way seems to be 27/28 now so I'll stick with that...I'm definitely not going up to 30