Posted May 4, 200817 yr The government's attempts to placate Muslims will cause long-term damage to communities, a charity said yesterday. The warning came from Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, chair and co-founder of the British Muslims for Secular Democracy, a new organisation claiming to represent the "silent majority who feel no conflict between their faith and democracy". Speaking before the launch, attended by Baroness Kishwer Faulkner and former Islamist Ed Husain, the journalist said the government was pandering to Muslims by granting too many concessions, fuelling their separation from the rest of society. "The government has found a way of placating Muslims in a way that will only damage us in the long term, Muslims wanting separate schools or different measures. There must be one law for all. "This differential accommodation leads to us being pushed to the edges. How is it that the Sikhs and Hindus can live in democracy but not Muslims?" She added: "The perception is that Muslims receive a disproportionate amount of attention and funding and that perception is justified. This ridiculous, distorted, exaggerated single identity has made us no friends." The group cited an IPSOS Mori review of surveys, conducted since 2005, that revealed most British Muslims believed their faith to be compatible with democracy. The group's projects include publishing a booklet for teachers on how to negotiate with Muslim parents who ask for special treatment and citizenship workshops. Source: The Guardian
May 4, 200817 yr The only special treatment muslims should get is directions to Heathrow airport if they don't like it here, anyone coming to this country be it from Poland or Pakistan should have respect and abide by the customs, traditions and laws of OUR society, if they are not willing to then they are not wanted here and can go do one Want Shariah law ? fine, f*** off to Teheran or Riyadh it ain't wanted here
May 4, 200817 yr I have to agree, no one should receive special treatment, whatever their race or religion. If they choose to live here, then they should abide by our laws and way of life. What they do in their own home is fine as long as it's legal, but outside of it, they should make an effort to integrate into our society and if they're not willing to do that, then they should leave.
May 5, 200817 yr The only special treatment muslims should get is directions to Heathrow airport if they don't like it here, anyone coming to this country be it from Poland or Pakistan should have respect and abide by the customs, traditions and laws of OUR society, if they are not willing to then they are not wanted here and can go do one Want Shariah law ? fine, f*** off to Teheran or Riyadh it ain't wanted here :lol: agreed 100%
May 5, 200817 yr The only special treatment muslims should get is directions to Heathrow airport if they don't like it here, anyone coming to this country be it from Poland or Pakistan should have respect and abide by the customs, traditions and laws of OUR society, if they are not willing to then they are not wanted here and can go do one Want Shariah law ? fine, f*** off to Teheran or Riyadh it ain't wanted here This seems to be your usual template response when issues like this are raised... It's getting boring frankly (same goes for you Rob) "If they dont like it they can f--k off", yadda, yadda.. BOOOOOORRRRRRINNNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!! This Forum is about generating adult debate, not about spouting off a load of BNP/Sun bollocks.... Either come up with something a bit more constructive and well argued or you can fukk off...... :P
May 5, 200817 yr Muslims wanting separate schools or different measures. Well, if we are to allow special schools for Orthodox Jews (which we do, there's several in North London, places like Stamford Hill, Tottenham and Clapton, which have a large concentration of Jewish people), , Catholics, CofE, "alternative", non-denominational faiths, etc, then I dont see why there can't be schools for Muslims also.... Personally, I'd rather see ALL "religious" schools completely and utterly wiped off the face of this country tbh.... But we cant allow the examples I mentioned and then turn around and say to Muslims "Well, I know the Jews and Catholics and those Hippie Hare Krishna/Kabbalist kids have schools, but you lot cant have any... Erm, just because.....". That isn't applying the same standard to all is it...? Fair enough for the Govt to stop "pandering" to Muslims, but they should stop "pandering" to Jews, Catholics and Anglicans as well then..... Fair enough...?
May 5, 200817 yr This seems to be your usual template response when issues like this are raised... It's getting boring frankly (same goes for you Rob) "If they dont like it they can f--k off", yadda, yadda.. BOOOOOORRRRRRINNNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!! This Forum is about generating adult debate, not about spouting off a load of BNP/Sun bollocks.... Either come up with something a bit more constructive and well argued or you can fukk off...... :P Its nothing to do with The Sun or BNP Scott, my views on Nick Griffin and the BNP are well documented and their hatred of jews with me being jewish myself means I would never in a billion years support the BNP but the issue is about RESPECT, respect for our customs and traditions, respect for our rules of law, respect for the indigenous populations way of life, as long as those are adhered to I have no objection to their presence here but those that are not willing or able to conform to the above as far as I am concerned are not welcome here regardless of nationality The only laws of this country that are welcome are the laws set down by parliament and rubber stamped by the queen, those wanting sharia law and a good number of muslims appear to want it are in the wrong country
May 5, 200817 yr Its nothing to do with The Sun or BNP Scott, my views on Nick Griffin and the BNP are well documented and their hatred of jews with me being jewish myself means I would never in a billion years support the BNP but the issue is about RESPECT, respect for our customs and traditions, respect for our rules of law, respect for the indigenous populations way of life, as long as those are adhered to I have no objection to their presence here but those that are not willing or able to conform to the above as far as I am concerned are not welcome here regardless of nationality The only laws of this country that are welcome are the laws set down by parliament and rubber stamped by the queen, those wanting sharia law and a good number of muslims appear to want it are in the wrong country for once, we agree. 100%.
May 5, 200817 yr Its nothing to do with The Sun or BNP Scott, my views on Nick Griffin and the BNP are well documented and their hatred of jews with me being jewish myself means I would never in a billion years support the BNP but the issue is about RESPECT, respect for our customs and traditions, respect for our rules of law, respect for the indigenous populations way of life, as long as those are adhered to I have no objection to their presence here but those that are not willing or able to conform to the above as far as I am concerned are not welcome here regardless of nationality The only laws of this country that are welcome are the laws set down by parliament and rubber stamped by the queen, those wanting sharia law and a good number of muslims appear to want it are in the wrong country With all due respect Craig, that is NOT the way you put it originally.... Hence my terse reply.... I wont tolerate the sort of post you put up originally mate, simple as.... I wont defend the fools who appear to want Sharia Law... The ones that do want this clearly have no idea of how it actually operates in places like Sudan, Iran and Nigeria... My Muslim friends actually fled those countries because of Sharia Law.... But they are still Muslim and practice it.. They say the way Sharia Law operates in those countries is totally un-Islamic and despair of the tiny minority of British Muslims who want to see it....
May 6, 200817 yr Mind you, playing Devil's advocate just for a moment... In a way, I can sort of understand why some of the older generation of Muslims might want certain aspects of Sharia Law... Our own laws as far as basic Public Order go are clearly inadequate, just looking at any town centre on any given Saturday night will tell you that.... The older generation see a state of affairs which would be considered "anarchy" in their own countries, where the authorities are incapable of dealing with Chavs and other offenders who just run riot committing scores of offences, people like that are dealt with severely in their countries and they wonder why it is that these criminals are apparently "allowed" to act the way they do here (and let's face it we've all wondered that one..).. Also the pretty ridiculous state of affairs where criminals have more rights than the victims. Prisoners have absolutely NO rights in the Islamic World....
May 6, 200817 yr Prisoners have absolutely NO rights in the Islamic World.... Nor do women or homosexuals
May 6, 200817 yr This seems to be your usual template response when issues like this are raised... It's getting boring frankly (same goes for you Rob) "If they dont like it they can f--k off", yadda, yadda.. BOOOOOORRRRRRINNNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!! This Forum is about generating adult debate, not about spouting off a load of BNP/Sun bollocks.... Either come up with something a bit more constructive and well argued or you can fukk off...... :P you do the same thing! here we are again, just because we dont like certain aspects of muslim integration (if there is such a thing) you immediately call us 'sun reading bnp supporters'... you are as guilty as we are m8.
May 6, 200817 yr Nor do women or homosexuals I did say I was playing "Devil's Advocate", which means that I wouldn't take all aspects of it..... You can't argue at all that you dont want to see a much more strict punishment of scum out there, you've littered your posts with comments such as "life should mean life", "criminals have more rights than victims".... Me and a (white, British) mate were actually talking about this over lunch today.. And he actually said "if we can take all sorts of silly ideas from the Americans, we should take one or two from the Islamic World, at least there they dont pussyfoot around with criminals and thugs"... In fact, he went so far as to say that we should bring back the stocks for Public Order offences.... :lol: :P YEP, TIME TO GET MEDIEVAL ON THEIR ARSES!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: And, by the way, way to to not even bothering to comment on the main body of the post.. Yeah, that's right Craig, you just focus on the half dozen or so words at the end and actually not bother with the WHOLE PARAGRAPH that precedes it, which is actually the main argument....
May 6, 200817 yr you do the same thing! here we are again, just because we dont like certain aspects of muslim integration (if there is such a thing) you immediately call us 'sun reading bnp supporters'... you are as guilty as we are m8. Yeah, but you and Craig totally miss the point of this particular article... This article is concerning a group called " British Muslims for Secular Democracy", who are actually ADVOCATING the things that you would want Muslims to do... But instead of actually praising their efforts within their own communities and giving them a bit of bloody credit, off you two gits go again on your usual "bloody muslims" rants... I mean, sorry mate, but IT'S GETTING FUKKIN' BORING, TEDIOUS AND OLD!!!!". And, frankly I'm gonna start deleting and closing posts and topics of this nature if all they do is regurgitate the same old sh!t again and again, despite the fact that the focus of this article is totally different to many of the others... You delete Maddie topics when people spout off rubbish and idle conjecture, well, I'm gonna do the same thing with topics concerning this issue..... It does nothing but cause negativity and bad blood on the Forum....
May 10, 200817 yr And, frankly I'm gonna start deleting and closing posts and topics of this nature if all they do is regurgitate the same old sh!t again and again, despite the fact that the focus of this article is totally different to many of the others... Then this means you are removing some of your own posts...
May 11, 200817 yr Then this means you are removing some of your own posts... And probably most of yours when you start spouting your rubbish about how women are "evil murderers" for having abortions.....
May 12, 200817 yr And probably most of yours when you start spouting your rubbish about how women are "evil murderers" for having abortions..... Why don´t you turn the forums into a blog of yourself only then??? Then you can live without the fanatics (everyone who thinks a little bit different then you), and without people pointing that something wrong is wrong. And all the predictable stuff that would arise, like anti-american, anti-christian, anti-anything-stablished-in-western-civilization, and all that pseudo-intelectual bull$h!t Edited May 12, 200817 yr by Janet Jackson´s Nipple
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