"If you are going to sample a song:

 

1. Make sure the melody written over the top is better than the original.

 

2. Make sure the vocalists are better than the original singer.

 

3. Make sure the original act is still not around to cash in with a reissue full of dance remixes."

 

I can't believe that the person who seriously wrote this has the face to say anybody looks silly.

How stupid to believe that in order to sample a song everything must be better than the original.

What an idiotic thing to say.

 

 

 

I can't believe that the person who seriously wrote this has the face to say anybody looks silly.

How stupid to believe that in order to sample a song everything must be better than the original.

What an idiotic thing to say.

 

I think you are the one who is being "idiotic".

 

Quite simply, why remake the wheel if you can't improve it or it has already been made. What is the point producing anything that is inferior than what has gone before, because it is a total waste of energy & effort.

 

Yazoo - Situation was sampled to much better effect by Los Del Rio - Macarena. At least that was a truly memorable tune, with a colourful video that became a global monster hit.

 

In short this Saturday's single falls far short of the Yazoo original track it has sampled, or Los Del Rio's Macarena, and is inferior to 90%+ of the singles released by the Spice Girls/Sugababes /Girls Aloud because it is poorly sung and the melody is very weak.

 

If it goes Top 10 then that will entirely be down to the huge PR marketing hype/expense that is being pushed towards the act (I read in the Daily Mail today, they are spending over £400,000 on trying to break the act - Therefore anything less than a UK #1 hit is a disaster).

 

But the bitter truth that you have to ask yourself is, is this record on a par with the breakthrough debut singles by: Spice Girls - Wannabe; Girls Aloud - Sound Of The Underground or the Sugababes - Overload?

 

The truth is it comes nowhere near the quality of those great pop classics which helped create pop girl-group phenomenons.

 

It has more in common with this overhyped flop act signed by Simon Cowell "to be bigger than the Spice Girls".....

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gdeV2C3WWUc

Girl Thing - Last One Standing

 

 

Given the prejudice around this kind of pop music, especially by a new girlband like these, I think the label making sure they actually get the song out there to the kind of audience they're aiming for is the wisest move.

Is it prejudice though? I mean is manufactured pop really positive thing now in the nation's musical psyche? With the developments of technologies, music and its fluidity makes for a totally different musical landscape now. It's akin to suggesting being prejudiced against something equally negative say racism (though obviously on a much smaller scale) is a bad thing.

 

The tactics Polydor are using fit the 1999 model for launching bands. Throw a huge amount of money and people don't care who or what the product is. In 2008 I'm doubtful employing that tactic will have much effect given the reasons aforementioned.

 

So, in your opinion, if a song that samples another song isn't better than the original it's a waste of energy and effort?

So you would say Madonna's "Hung Up" was a waste of energy and effort? That track isn't better than the ABBA song it samples, but it's certainly not bad.

 

As you can see by the people replying in this thread, they're not just a PR/Marketing scam. Most people actually like the song.

One thing that I will agree with is that 'ITIL' isn't the strongest track ever produced by a girlband, but as I've said before, "Up", "Keep Her" & "Issues" are brilliant.

It's still a mystery as to why they've released this track first, but it's far from the "monstrosity" you're painting it as.

 

It's awful that you're making out that this band are awful but Fascination are pushing and pushing them and making them out to be something they're not.

Maybe the record company just has faith in them and thinks they have potential? Why does it have to be that they're making them the next Girls Aloud?

They're on the same label ffs, they're hardly gonna rival them.

i think theres confusion here as to what constitutes an opinion and what constitutes a fact.

 

jark may think alison moyets voice is awful.... thats his opinion, but the fact is that she IS one of the greatest british female artistes of all time. now id consider it rather foolish to contradict a fact like that!

 

of course everybody has a right to like what they like, but lets not get carried away here, the saturdays are manufactured pap... lets not pretend they are anything else.

 

and T.I.P. is spot on, for a debut single it pales into insignificance in comparison to other girlbands debut.

Is it prejudice though? I mean is manufactured pop really positive thing now in the nation's musical psyche? With the developments of technologies, music and its fluidity makes for a totally different musical landscape now. It's akin to suggesting being prejudiced against something equally negative say racism (though obviously on a much smaller scale) is a bad thing.

 

The tactics Polydor are using fit the 1999 model for launching bands. Throw a huge amount of money and people don't care who or what the product is. In 2008 I'm doubtful employing that tactic will have much effect given the reasons aforementioned.

 

I'd just really like to see some more decent pure-pop doing well, not so there's a complete overload but just enough as there's a lack of it.

 

Anyway, I really wish Fascination would put this much effort into Sophie. :(

As you can see by the people replying in this thread, they're not just a PR/Marketing scam.

 

oh dont be silly m8... of COURSE it is a marketing scam!!!! why else are they getting huge financial backing? so they can develop their 'art'? :lol:

 

the saturdays exist for one reason and one reason only... to make money.

 

ok people are free to like the product, and i like 'issues', but lets not pretend they are anything other then what they are....

I'd just really like to see some more decent pure-pop doing well, not so there's a complete overload but just enough as there's a lack of it.

 

Anyway, I really wish Fascination would put this much effort into Sophie. :(

I'd like to see pure pop done well and to a certain extent I think the likes of Róisín Murphy, Annie and Sophie all do it better. Pre-fabricated IKEA girlgroups aren't really the way forward in today's pop climate imo.

Anyway, I really wish Fascination would put this much effort into Sophie. :(

 

I agree its rather annoying especially when you think like Sophie has a different voice to other female vocalists which stands out and could do really well if pushed again.

oh dont be silly m8... of COURSE it is a marketing scam!!!! why else are they getting huge financial backing? so they can develop their 'art'? :lol:

 

the saturdays exist for one reason and one reason only... to make money.

 

ok people are free to like the product, and i like 'issues', but lets not pretend they are anything other then what they are....

 

Please, refrain from calling me "m8". I couldn't be further from it if I tried.

And of course they're there to make money, every act out there now is.

I don't know what you know about The Saturdays, but they're not this thrown together girlband like you're coming across as thinking they are.

They've been together for a year, working with producers and picking the tracks for the album.

 

Please, refrain from calling me "m8". I couldn't be further from it if I tried.

And of course they're there to make money, every act out there now is.

I don't know what you know about The Saturdays, but they're not this thrown together girlband like you're coming across as thinking they are.

They've been together for a year, working with producers and picking the tracks for the album.

 

i used the term m8 to try to 'soften' the tone of my post towards you.

 

of course they were thrown together... lord almighty, what do you imagine they are? credible artistes who are musically gifted who met in a bar or somewhere as romantic, discussed musical views and decided to make music together in order to 'get a message across'?

 

they are manufactured, chosen, created, by management in order to make money. nothing more, nothing less. 'working with producers'?..:lol: you mean a bunch of old men directing them on how to look/sound?

 

they are a PRODUCT, ffs even rachel stevens added more to the 'rachel stevens product' (her name :lol: the saturdays (awful name) have not even done that!!! )

 

like i said earlier, if you like the product, fair do's, but stop crediting them as being anything more then what they are. puppets.

this thread has just gone way off topic, I love all the songs I've heard of theirs and whether they are manufactured or not I don't really care tbh, I like the songs.

 

 

this thread has just gone way off topic, I love all the songs I've heard of theirs and whether they are manufactured or not I don't really care tbh, I like the songs.

 

dont think its gone way off topic, the subject is the saturdays and that is whats being discussed. its good to see healthy debate in a thread sooner then a succession of brain dead 'ooh i like them they are ace' type posts. bj should be about debate.

 

fair do's m8, you like their songs then thats your choice.

i used the term m8 to try to 'soften' the tone of my post towards you.

 

of course they were thrown together... lord almighty, what do you imagine they are? credible artistes who are musically gifted who met in a bar or somewhere as romantic, discussed musical views and decided to make music together in order to 'get a message across'?

 

they are manufactured, chosen, created, by management in order to make money. nothing more, nothing less. 'working with producers'?..:lol: you mean a bunch of old men directing them on how to look/sound?

 

they are a PRODUCT, ffs even rachel stevens added more to the 'rachel stevens product' (her name :lol: the saturdays (awful name) have not even done that!!! )

 

like i said earlier, if you like the product, fair do's, but stop crediting them as being anything more then what they are. puppets.

 

Spot on mate... The Saturdays are NOT artists.. They are NOT Alison Moyet, they are NOT Siouxsie, they are NOT Beth Gibbons, in fact I wouldn't say they were even on a Siobhan Fahey-era Bananarama level tbh.. They are PUPPETS, with no real great thing to contribute to music as an ART FORM.... They are purely functional - to look "pretty", sound "nice", and be in the words of Kurt Cobain - "Radio Friendly Unit Shifters".... They are nothing more than this..... And they WILL be forgotten when the next bunch of Radio-Friendly Unit Shifters come along.....

 

I sort of agree with TIP's comments, but my own proviso upon sampling is - if you're gonna sample, be INTERESTING, be CREATIVE... Examples - The Orb, KLF, Portishead, Public Enemy, Tricky, dont just use samples as a way to hide your musical shortcomings or absolute dearth of any ideas of your own.... And yeah, this would include "Madge", the artist formerly known as Madonna, and almost certainly this lot of talentless puppets...

 

 

 

I sort of agree with TIP's comments, but my own proviso upon sampling is - if you're gonna sample, be INTERESTING, be CREATIVE... Examples - The Orb, KLF, Portishead, Public Enemy, Tricky, dont just use samples as a way to hide your musical shortcomings or absolute dearth of any ideas of your own....

 

absolutely scott.... after all, look at the klf's sampling of both gary glitter and sweet (as the timelords) with 'doctorin the tardis' :lol: bloody awful musically them samples were but what a clever use and it worked!

So back on topic:

 

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc193/shahin_ejtehadi/29godug.jpg

:o Is that the official cover? It looks amazing if so! :wub:

 

And some people in this topic need to stop being so negative, fair enough you don't like them or the song but theres no need to go on about it. It's embarrasing to read.

Love the cover if thats what is is.`

Aye it is official. ^_^ I hope there's 2 CDs, though.

I'm really warming up to this. Its Greg James' record of the week on R1 so he's been playing this everyday this week. Just heard it