May 30, 200817 yr I think Euro 2008 UK Viewing figures will be significantly lower than if the UK had a Team in it. Secondly, the Wikipedia Entry on Dima Bilan states that Timbaland did NOT Produce his Eurovision Winner - that Jim Beanz did. That is what I am going by. This is irrespective of what Billboard says. 3 Pages - The Wikipedia page on DIMA BILAN says that Jim Beanz produced 'Believe'. The Wikipedia Page on Jim Beanz says that he Produced 'Believe. The Wikipedia page on 'Believe' says that Timbaland Produced it. So 2 Pages say Jim Beanz, & 1 says Timbaland - a clear contradiction, & they can't all be right..... Thirdly, I have added the BBC3/ESC Semi Finals facts to my previous Post - and one thing comes through about BBC3 - it gets poor UK Viewing Figures - even for The ESC Semi Finals. (The ESC Semis got less than 1.8 Million in 2004 - out of a UK Population of 60 Million, at the time). I can see The ESC ending up on BBC3, IF the UK is forced into the Semis every Year, & we find that time after time, we do not reach the Final. For a start, the BBC1 UK Audience for the Final, would definitely begin falling, if the UK is not in it...... Lastly, what does The ESC MEAN to the UK anyhow? I was checking:, 1) We - UK have been in about 50 or 51 Contests. We have finished in the Final TEN on about 40 to 41 occasions! We have failed to finish in the Top 10 on 10 or 11 occasions. And, NINE of them have been in the past TEN Contests! (1999 - 2008). In other words, we have not done very well in that Contest in 90% of the last 10! 2) We have not bought enough copies of a Continental European Winner, to put it in our Top TEN since 'A Little Peace' - Nicole, (Germany), in 1982 - a UK No.1 Hit. That was 26 YEARS ago! The UK is clearly NOT interested in buying the Winning Song much, any more. 3) A far cry for 1974 - when the Top 4 Songs in the Contest were liked enough to reach the UK Top 11:, 'Waterloo' - ABBA - No.1 (Sweden - Winner) 'Go (Before You Break My Heart)' - Gigliola Cinquetti - No.8 (Italy - 2nd) 'I See A Star' - Mouth & MacNeal - No.8 (The Netherlands - 3rd) 'Long Live Love' - Olivia Newton-John - No.11 (UK - 4th) How many of the 2008 Entries will reach even the UK Top 30? (LOL!). We will see if The ESC is still on BBC1 in 2010, 2011, or 2012 - or if it is shoved onto BBC3.....
May 30, 200817 yr Author I think the BBC has an obligation to show the contest on BBC1 actually, regardless of whether the UK are in the final or not. If we're entered into a semi-final, I should imagine the BBC will have to show that semi-final on BBC1 too.
May 31, 200817 yr Thirdly, I have added the BBC3/ESC Semi Finals facts to my previous Post - and one thing comes through about BBC3 - it gets poor UK Viewing Figures - even for The ESC Semi Finals. (The ESC Semis got less than 1.8 Million in 2004 - out of a UK Population of 60 Million, at the time). The UK is clearly NOT interested in buying the Winning Song much, any more. I'm not exactly sure what agument you're trying to put across here. All that post says to me is that the UK pay little or no attention to the whole process of Eurovision, or at least that our interest in the contest is dwindling. I don't see that as justification why we should do well when we show it no respect and can't be bothered to pay any attention to the contest as a whole. We still expect amazing results from doing as little 'work' as possible, and to me that's not on when a lot of countries DO try hard and pay attention to the contest. It's not Europe's fault the UK can't be bothered to tune in to the semi's and don't treat the contest with anything but contempt then b**ch about the result. There's no denying we've done badly for the last 5-6 years, but I'd confidently argue that we've had no reason to do well - we've certainally given Europe no reason to vote for us, IMO. And it's nigh impossible for any Eurovision entries to make the UK chart I would think, since only about 3 of this years songs are available on iTunes, and to my knowledge there are no physicals of this years songs sold individually in the UK. This year I wanted to buy Sweden, Denmak, Greece, Russia, Germany, Ukraine, Latvia, Iceland and Estonia. I could only manage to get Greece. Edited May 31, 200817 yr by Andrewy
May 31, 200817 yr Zeus clearly knows nothing about tv ratings. 1.8 million viewers on any non-terrestrial channel for ANY kind of program is BRILLIANT ratings! And that's even now, 2004 it would've been even better!
May 31, 200817 yr I think Euro 2008 UK Viewing figures will be significantly lower than if the UK had a Team in it. They may be lowe yes, because casual fans won't watch. But then the casual fans only ever watch England games anyway. I'm sure the millions who watched Japan vs Croatia at the last World Cup aren't all of a sudden going to be not interested at all. Every football fan I know who I've spoken to about Euro 2008 is looking forward to it and will watch it.
May 31, 200817 yr Now they have 2 semi-finals, they should try it this way One semi for the eastern bloc and former Yugoslav countries and one semi for all the rest. Then take the best 12 from each semi through to the final
May 31, 200817 yr I think Euro 2008 UK Viewing figures will be significantly lower than if the UK had a Team in it. Secondly, the Wikipedia Entry on Dima Bilan states that Timbaland did NOT Produce his Eurovision Winner - that Jim Beanz did. That is what I am going by. This is irrespective of what Billboard says. 3 Pages - The Wikipedia page on DIMA BILAN says that Jim Beanz produced 'Believe'. The Wikipedia Page on Jim Beanz says that he Produced 'Believe. The Wikipedia page on 'Believe' says that Timbaland Produced it. So 2 Pages say Jim Beanz, & 1 says Timbaland - a clear contradiction, & they can't all be right..... Well thats what I believed too but Jim Beanz will be one of Timbaland associates - so this is probs where the confusion is... Thirdly, I have added the BBC3/ESC Semi Finals facts to my previous Post - and one thing comes through about BBC3 - it gets poor UK Viewing Figures - even for The ESC Semi Finals. (The ESC Semis got less than 1.8 Million in 2004 - out of a UK Population of 60 Million, at the time). I can see The ESC ending up on BBC3, IF the UK is forced into the Semis every Year, & we find that time after time, we do not reach the Final. For a start, the BBC1 UK Audience for the Final, would definitely begin falling, if the UK is not in it...... We will see if The ESC is still on BBC1 in 2010, 2011, or 2012 - or if it is shoved onto BBC3..... But by then the analogue signal will have been switched off and so there might be an increase in viewers to these additional stations like BBC Three and ITV2 - so you dont know if BBC One and ITV1 will still be such frontline channels then...
May 31, 200817 yr Secondly, the Wikipedia Entry on Dima Bilan states that Timbaland did NOT Produce his Eurovision Winner - that Jim Beanz did. That is what I am going by. This is irrespective of what Billboard says. 3 Pages - The Wikipedia page on DIMA BILAN says that Jim Beanz produced 'Believe'. The Wikipedia Page on Jim Beanz says that he Produced 'Believe. The Wikipedia page on 'Believe' says that Timbaland Produced it. So 2 Pages say Jim Beanz, & 1 says Timbaland - a clear contradiction, & they can't all be right..... Er, you're trusting the almost entirely UN-trustworthy, and rather suspect-at-the-best-of-times when it comes to research and citations, Wikipedia over Billboard mate.....? Wikipedia has proven itself to be unreliable because anyone can come in and edit articles on that site without having to put forward any proof or references... The fact that Wiki is contradicting itself is proof of its unreliability as a research tool.. I think I'll trust the sources that TiP put up more than I would trust Wiki....
May 31, 200817 yr Now they have 2 semi-finals, they should try it this way One semi for the eastern bloc and former Yugoslav countries and one semi for all the rest. Then take the best 12 from each semi through to the final I'm all for that idea, as I think that is the most logical way forward with the numbers of countries entering getting towards 50 nations. While I would like to see the losing Semi-Finalist nations only able to give up to 6 points each for the Final (instead of 12 like the Finalists).
May 31, 200817 yr Er, you're trusting the almost entirely UN-trustworthy, and rather suspect-at-the-best-of-times when it comes to research and citations, Wikipedia over Billboard mate.....? Wikipedia has proven itself to be unreliable because anyone can come in and edit articles on that site without having to put forward any proof or references... The fact that Wiki is contradicting itself is proof of its unreliability as a research tool.. I think I'll trust the sources that TiP put up more than I would trust Wiki.... but in this case would Wiki be more right because its the kinda information that probs would get so many people knowing about that it would get corrected easily? and anyway magazines like Billboard are not 100% proof correct - they get things wrong as well just have to look at the amount of Errors and Ommisions that are in the Errors and Ommisions sections in papers like the Guardian and the Independent to know (btw listening to Deee-lite's Groove Is In The Heart on a compilation - Groove Is In The Heart which was mentioned as Deelite the other week in Music Week)
May 31, 200817 yr but in this case would Wiki be more right because its the kinda information that probs would get so many people knowing about that it would get corrected easily? and anyway magazines like Billboard are not 100% proof correct - they get things wrong as well just have to look at the amount of Errors and Ommisions that are in the Errors and Ommisions sections in papers like the Guardian and the Independent to know (btw listening to Deee-lite's Groove Is In The Heart on a compilation - Groove Is In The Heart which was mentioned as Deelite the other week in Music Week) You have a valid point. In this case both Zeus & I got our "facts" from valid sources. It is clearly obvious that one of those sources is carrying incorrect information, so it is neither of our faults if it turns out that one of us is incorrect.
May 31, 200817 yr You have a valid point. In this case both Zeus & I got our "facts" from valid sources. It is clearly obvious that one of those sources is carrying incorrect information, so it is neither of our faults if it turns out that one of us is incorrect. yeah and it not like it makes that much of a difference as could have easily been Danjahandz as well or anyone of those dudes 'orbiting' Tim...does anyone really care that much...maybe its just being a bit too pedantic...think people get the idea of the arguement of what is trying to be put across - which is the main point...
May 31, 200817 yr At the end of the day, whether it was Timbaland or someone in his company - it's the point that they created a popular contemporary sounding song which is popular throughout Europe which is being made. I don't think Believe would sound out of place on a Justin Timberlake album, and he's very popular within Europe. No reason an attractive guy with a similar sound can't do well at Eurovision.
May 31, 200817 yr At the end of the day, whether it was Timbaland or someone in his company - it's the point that they created a popular contemporary sounding song which is popular throughout Europe which is being made. I don't think Believe would sound out of place on a Justin Timberlake album, and he's very popular within Europe. In that case maybe we should move the area of discussion over a bit and be discussing the global imperialism of American [Music] culture and its grip on the hold of Europe???
May 31, 200817 yr I think it's doubtless. The top 3 all sounded Western IMO. Dima's Justin-a-like, Kalomira's Britney-esque, and Ani Lorak - well, I can't think of a comparison, but I'd say I hear tinges of the West in it.
May 31, 200817 yr I think it's doubtless. The top 3 all sounded Western IMO. Dima's Justin-a-like, Kalomira's Britney-esque, and Ani Lorak - well, I can't think of a comparison, but I'd say I hear tinges of the West in it. Ani Lorak reminded me of mix between P!nk and Anastacia; whilst the 4th placed Sirusho was very Shakira-esque.
May 31, 200817 yr Author 'Believe' was definately produced by Jim Beanz, and not Timbaland. I remember people being very confused when it got selected in March! :lol:
May 31, 200817 yr yep, these are the songwriting credits in the ESC album booklet: (Dima Bilan and Jim Beanz) Timbaland's name would have been on there if he'd had anything to do with it
May 31, 200817 yr I think it's doubtless. The top 3 all sounded Western IMO. Dima's Justin-a-like, Kalomira's Britney-esque, and Ani Lorak - well, I can't think of a comparison, but I'd say I hear tinges of the West in it. Yes, but Western in terms of "modern American". It's not Western like British, Swedish or anything of the sort. Especially the Nordic countries nowadays send something that may be good, but is neither "American", nor "modern".
May 31, 200817 yr Ani Lorak reminded me of mix between P!nk and Anastacia; But Ani Lorak was good! :lol:
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