How could anybody deny that her voice lacks emotion after listening to Like A Prayer, The Power Of Goodbye, Nothing Fails etc? :mellow: Maybe it's just me then, I don't know.

 

because ive heard females with real emotion... :)

try this

 

 

sorry but madge comes no where near...

I'm sorry, but it's c**p to say that Madonna couldn't have real emotion on the basis that she's a hugely-popular, media-savvy lady who knows how to get herself to the widest audience. She may be commercial, you could call her a sell-out, but she can still sing with emotion, and it can be subtle, which is an opinion of mind you're not going to change.

I'm sorry, but it's c**p to say that Madonna couldn't have real emotion on the basis that she's a hugely-popular, media-savvy lady who knows how to get herself to the widest audience. She may be commercial, you could call her a sell-out, but she can still sing with emotion, and it can be subtle, which is an opinion of mind you're not going to change.

 

m8.... emotion comes from the heart, not the wallet ;)

Doesn't all music have emotion?

 

For that matter, if there is such a thing as 'real' emotion, what's 'fake' emotion?

 

I'm not fond of Madonna's new work, but you cannot deny Like A Prayer was a great album...

I'm sorry, but it's c**p to say that Madonna couldn't have real emotion on the basis that she's a hugely-popular, media-savvy lady who knows how to get herself to the widest audience. She may be commercial, you could call her a sell-out, but she can still sing with emotion, and it can be subtle, which is an opinion of mind you're not going to change.

And again, what's so talented about that? :lol: She has a weak voice but makes up for it because she is very clever at marketing herself.

Madonna may not have a 5 octave vocal range or anything, but she is very capable as a vocalist I think, she can hold a note and can emote.

 

With regards to comments on her latest album, I agree. I usually respect her for not conforming to the most popular bandwagons going but that's exactly what she's done on this album, and it made me lose a little bit of respect. I mean, Confessions may have not been anything new or original but it was quite fresh, and I admired that she tried to bring a dance/pop revival in a market that was so heavily dominated by R&B/urban at the time.

 

It's true that her Like A Prayer/Erotica/Ray Of Light days are long behind her but she's more than worthy of her place in the industry and status, she's a brilliant entertainer and everything she's achieved has been off her own back.

Doesn't all music have emotion?

 

For that matter, if there is such a thing as 'real' emotion, what's 'fake' emotion?

 

no. :)

 

of course theres such a thing as real and fake emotion.. i refer you to the post i made

 

" emotion comes from the heart, not the wallet"

Madonna may not have a 5 octave vocal range or anything, but she is very capable as a vocalist I think, she can hold a note and can emote.

 

With regards to comments on her latest album, I agree. I usually respect her for not conforming to the most popular bandwagons going but that's exactly what she's done on this album, and it made me lose a little bit of respect. I mean, Confessions may have not been anything new or original but it was quite fresh, and I admired that she tried to bring a dance/pop revival in a market that was so heavily dominated by R&B/urban at the time.

 

It's true that her Like A Prayer/Erotica/Ray Of Light days are long behind her but she's more than worthy of her place in the industry and status, she's a brilliant entertainer and everything she's achieved has been off her own back.

 

i think we are drifting offtopic here

 

no ones denied that throughout her career she has put together a respectable portfolio of work, she is undoubtedly one of the greatest ever female artistes of all time, but i wouldnt call her a musical genius as many other females artists (often with a much smaller body of work) are far superior.

 

 

Just thinking, an example of emotion would be comparing Eva Cassidy to Mariah Carey. Whilst both show emotion, Eva Cassidy is full of it, yet Mariah's is really annoyingly 'put on'. :lol:

I think the reason for the fact that musical genius has been considered to be mostly male is that the industry was dominated from the start by men. Women were for the most part mouth pieces for male song writers and it wasn't til the late 70s and early 80s that women really started to take control of their own destinies.

 

This is an attitude that still persists all over the recording industry. However people like Kate Bush and Siouxsie have managed to produce a body of work that they have been responsible for creating.

 

I personally would add Chrissie Hynde to the list.

Of course, Chrissie is great too! B)

Josh, how the could you know if emotion is put on or not? For anybody who thinks that about Madonna (and I know your judgement was about Mariah), you should put on American Life. That album was full of emotion and political messagery, and nobody can judge how fake it is. :/ It is literally not measurable. And I don't understand your attitude either Rob, because by the repetition of that bloody 'emotion comes from the heart, not the wallet' phrase, you're just affirming my previous sentiment about how you're all claiming Madonna sings without emotion just because of the fact that currently she's in a dip from her prime and she's a megastar. Why must this mean her emotion is 'from the wallet' or 'fake'?! It needn't, and if you listened properly to the songs I suggested, particularly The Power Of Goodbye, you'd hear that it isn't. Furthermore, you completely missed my point again Josh. The bit you bolded wasn't me trying to proove Madonna is a God of some sort, just saying that you're all using her heritage and success against her in an odd attempt to prove that her emotion must be fake. My god!

Oh, and if Madonna's emotion is fake, why would she apply it so rarely? I've freely admitted that for much of the time her vocals are half-arsed and lazy (I think it's a part of her appeal, amongst her fans at least), but on the occasions when she does apply emotion, there's no reason to assume it couldn't be real, if prejudices are put aside, though that's unlikely. -_-

Oh, and if Madonna's emotion is fake, why would she apply it so rarely? I've freely admitted that for much of the time her vocals are half-arsed and lazy (I think it's a part of her appeal, amongst her fans at least), but on the occasions when she does apply emotion, there's no reason to assume it couldn't be real, if prejudices are put aside, though that's unlikely. -_-

 

This might surprise you, but I totally agree with you. Anyone who thinks Madonna cannot do emotion, has never properly listened to these tracks:

 

Madonna - Oh Father (1989)

 

Madonna - The Power Of Goodbye (1997)

 

Madonna - Nothing Fails (2002)

 

In many respects Madonna is like my all-time favourite artist David Bowie, as they are both known for their constant evolving images from album to album, chameleon like change of musical styles, and their critics have pounced on both for being over calculated and controlling with their perception within the media, and thus at worse being cold and lacking emotion.

 

Yet on occasions they can both let the mask slip, and reveal glimpses of the real person behind the image.

 

It is no coincidence that my three favourite Madonna albums are Like A Prayer, Ray of Light & American Life which are probably her three albums that convey the most emotion.

I still think all music has emotion. There is no such thing as 'fake emotion.'

 

Jark said something about Madonna having 'lazy vocals' sometimes, is chilled back/lazyness not an emotion? Can you not feel lazy? All music conveys some kind of emotion: it does not only have to apply to very powerful songs with powerful vocals. Emotion can be conveyed in many different ways.

 

Now, that being said, how well an emotion is portrayed is a different story, and one of the ways I tend to judge/rate music. But even the worst songs in the world convey some form of emotion.

 

I would hesitate to call her a 'musical genius', but she is definitely up there.

This might surprise you, but I totally agree with you. Anyone who thinks Madonna cannot do emotion, has never properly listened to these tracks:

 

Madonna - Oh Father (1989)

 

Madonna - The Power Of Goodbye (1997)

 

Madonna - Nothing Fails (2002)

 

In many respects Madonna is like my all-time favourite artist David Bowie, as they are both known for their constant evolving images from album to album, chameleon like change of musical styles, and their critics have pounced on both for being over calculated and controlling with their perception within the media, and thus at worse being cold and lacking emotion.

 

Yet on occasions they can both let the mask slip, and reveal glimpses of the real person behind the image.

 

It is no coincidence that my three favourite Madonna albums are Like A Prayer, Ray of Light & American Life which are probably her three albums that convey the most emotion.

 

but its that very ability to change at will that makes me highly suspicious that she is doing it for the money and not because its a heartfelt feeling.

 

sorry but i just dont consider madonna to have any 'soul'.

 

i dont take any notice of what the media says, i judge it upon my own thoughts.

 

imho its all an act, a money making 'do what is expected' act. madonna has no more soul then bananarama.

but its that very ability to change at will that makes me highly suspicious that she is doing it for the money and not because its a heartfelt feeling.

 

sorry but i just dont consider madonna to have any 'soul'.

 

i dont take any notice of what the media says, i judge it upon my own thoughts.

 

imho its all an act, a money making 'do what is expected' act. madonna has no more soul then bananarama.

 

Having looked at your post in Retro this morning:

 

Anyone who thinks Busted "That's What I Go To School For" is amongst the 12 Greatest Records in the History of Rock'N'Roll deserves all the ridicule you can get. :rofl:

I still think all music has emotion. There is no such thing as 'fake emotion.'

 

Oh yes there is.... You've clearly never heard a My Chemical Romance or Rasmus record.. Absolute fukkin' FAKERS who changed their images when going a bit "goffick" became financially expedient to do so (The Rasmus saw their fellow Finns HIM become popular and totally changed their musical style and image to tap into the market, it worked for them, but is sure as sh"t wasn't genuine)..... You most certainly can fake the whole "angst-ridden" teenie-weenie bollocks, the whole fukkin' Emo scene is one huge act, no emotions at all, rather ironic when you consider that "emo" stole its name from the old "emotional hardcore" scene and bands like like Jimmy Eat World, Fugazi and At The Drive-In, all of whom had more balls, soul, guts and emotion in their little fingers.....

 

Having looked at your post in Retro this morning:

 

Anyone who thinks Busted "That's What I Go To School For" is amongst the 12 Greatest Records in the History of Rock'N'Roll deserves all the ridicule you can get. :rofl:

 

for an intelligent person i do wish youd learn to READ. <_<

 

of course it isnt one of the 'greatest' records ever, the thread is about 12 tracks that best reprisent the last 50 years of pop music, therefore i chose tracks (many of which i dont like) that best sums up pop music (for the youth... NOT old men) over the last 50 years. the idea is making suggestions for tracks that perhaps best sums up an era. wether or not you or anyone agrees it matters not , it ISNT a definitive factual list, its a bit of fun.

Anyone who thinks Busted "That's What I Go To School For" is amongst the 12 Greatest Records in the History of Rock'N'Roll deserves all the ridicule you can get. :rofl:

 

Oh dear.... Did you really say that Rob..... :unsure: