Liberal isn't offensive. I don't know if you really know EVERYTHING about American politics, considering I highly doubt you've lived for a considerable amount of time in every region of the US (and if you have, forgive me, but I don't think you spent a lot of time studying the South's habits and ways). Liberal is used in almost every political debate, on the news, and not in an offensive manner....

 

Really...? Have a look at this....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm

 

I know a few Americans living here in London.. To say that they were surprised when they found out UK had a "Liberal" Party in this country would be an understatement... One of them actually said "We'd never have a Liberal Party in the US, 'liberal' is like a dirty word to a lot of people.....". So, dont tell me that politicians in your country are stepping up to be thought of as "liberal", most of them seem to go to great lengths to prove how reactionary they are..... Even in New York (where you would think more 'liberal' ideals would flourish) you had a right wing reactionary like Guiliani in charge....

 

 

Really...? Have a look at this....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm

 

I know a few Americans living here in London.. To say that they were surprised when they found out UK had a "Liberal" Party in this country would be an understatement... One of them actually said "We'd never have a Liberal Party in the US, 'liberal' is like a dirty word to a lot of people.....". So, dont tell me that politicians in your country are stepping up to be thought of as "liberal", most of them seem to go to great lengths to prove how reactionary they are..... Even in New York (where you would think more 'liberal' ideals would flourish) you had a right wing reactionary like Guiliani in charge....

Well maybe in their part of the country...I've never heard it used as a dirty word. It's just another political term.

I know I was supposed to leave, but I had to add this.

 

I figured, hey, I'm fourteen, I don't know everything about politics. So I asked a few adults around here if they'd ever heard 'liberal' used offensively, and none of them have. Actually, my grandmother is a self-proclaimed liberal. So. Make what you will of that.

The organization I work for here in Chicago recently hosted Lebanese politician, author and professor Raja Kamal for a political discussion. It was recorded and I'll give the link later if anyone is interested. But anyway...

 

He made a frightening prediction. George Bush, in a desperate attempt to salvage his legacy, will launch an attack on Iran. He predicted it would come immediately after the election in November, because such an attack beforehand would totally eliminate McCain's chances. He will launch this attack despite the outcome of the election (as the new president does not take control until january 2009). And he will do so with very little support domestically and abroad and he will do it without approval from Congress.

 

It was terrifying to listen to but he made a very convincing argument. Meanwhile the media is beginning to beat the drums of war... the front page each day is Iran this, nuclear weapons that... I'm honestly scared. I really fear for the future of this country and world...

The organization I work for here in Chicago recently hosted Lebanese politician, author and professor Raja Kamal for a political discussion. It was recorded and I'll give the link later if anyone is interested. But anyway...

 

He made a frightening prediction. George Bush, in a desperate attempt to salvage his legacy, will launch an attack on Iran. He predicted it would come immediately after the election in November, because such an attack beforehand would totally eliminate McCain's chances. He will launch this attack despite the outcome of the election (as the new president does not take control until january 2009). And he will do so with very little support domestically and abroad and he will do it without approval from Congress.

 

It was terrifying to listen to but he made a very convincing argument. Meanwhile the media is beginning to beat the drums of war... the front page each day is Iran this, nuclear weapons that... I'm honestly scared. I really fear for the future of this country and world...

 

Um, I'm definitely not a GWB fan - at all, but that sounds a little ridiculous to me. For many reasons.

 

1) I don't think George Bush even KNOWS about his legacy, or only knows what his little minions want him to. To be honest, I think he has NO IDEA that his approval is 25%. I would bet you money that if you asked him he would say 60-70%. You are talking about the man who was "unaware" that fuel prices were rising and "denied" the recession over there.

 

2) Unless George Bush really feels some hatred toward his own party that would be an EXCELLENT way to literally destroy the Republican party and its presence in Washington. Imagine the next congressional election... :lol: (Senate: Dems: 85 Rep 15)

 

3) Maybe I'm totally out of politics, but how exactly does he plan to pull this off? Does he not think that the media will catch on? Does he think the US Army will just immediately support him? Or does he somehow think that it's okay that he went completely against the Constitution?

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Or does he somehow think that it's okay that he went completely against the Constitution?

 

He already did that in the manner that he was "elected" in November 2000....

 

And Bush and the Neo Cons didn't exactly stick around for the Second UN resolution either with Iraq... Absolutely NOTHING would surprise me tbh, these people are complete maniacs....

 

 

 

Um, I'm definitely not a GWB fan - at all, but that sounds a little ridiculous to me. For many reasons.

 

1) I don't think George Bush even KNOWS about his legacy, or only knows what his little minions want him to. To be honest, I think he has NO IDEA that his approval is 25%. I would bet you money that if you asked him he would say 60-70%. You are talking about the man who was "unaware" that fuel prices were rising and "denied" the recession over there.

 

You bring up a good point. He seems to be about the least informed person on the planet. However he is very much a "legacy" president. He invaded Iraq despite faulty evidence and with not enough soldiers, not enough equipment, insufficient funding, little international support and no plan of action beyond the initial bombing stage. Why? Because he wanted to be the president who took out Saddam Hussein. Because he wanted to be the guy who finished his father's job and marched all the way to Bagdad. But his father had stopped short of Baghdad because he knew it would be a collosal fiasco!! Duck f***ing Cheney advised they stop short of invasion and said publicly it would be a disaster! George Bush is a man who didn't even listen to his own goddamn father, he was so obsessed with his own legacy, with his own dream to be a time-of-war president, and with his own personal conquests. He has said repeatedly that he doesn't care about approval ratings or doing what's popular, that "history will judge [him]" and that he follows God's will and such.

George Bush, in a desperate attempt to salvage his legacy, will launch an attack on Iran. He predicted it would come immediately after the election in November, because such an attack beforehand would totally eliminate McCain's chances. He will launch this attack despite the outcome of the election (as the new president does not take control until january 2009). And he will do so with very little support domestically and abroad and he will do it without approval from Congress.

I'd like to think that even Bush isn't quite so stupid as to go THAT far. Didn't he admit that he regrets his legacy as a president who wanted war? He IS, afterall, human, and generally people want everyone to think the best of them....I think it's more likely that he WOULDN'T attack Iran in November because it would really make no sense for him to continue something he regrets.

 

2) Unless George Bush really feels some hatred toward his own party that would be an EXCELLENT way to literally destroy the Republican party and its presence in Washington.

That's a very good point.

 

...and that he follows God's will and such.

...If that's true, we're worshipping different gods. The goal is to love everyone...thou shalt not kill...this hardly counts as WAR anymore, this should be considered mass murder in my opinion.