:heart:

 

Exactly. The world is a f***ed up place, and it always will be...I don't need documents issued by the state to tell me I love somebody. And I really couldn't give a f*** if a fairytale created by corrupt men doesn't bless my relationships either.

 

Sorry after being raised in a Southern baptist family I am a bit bitter. ^_^

 

please dont apologise for using your brain to see religion for what it is! :lol:

please dont apologise for using your brain to see religion for what it is! :lol:

Indeed. I feel bad for people who hate or look down upon others for their differences...especially when it is because of a book.

Indeed. I feel bad for people who hate or look down upon others for their differences...especially when it is because of a book.

it isnt even a book... its a collection of writings gathered from THOUSANDS at the time that someone has used to try to prove a point.. its utterly groundless, concocted, fabricated, wrong.

....... thinking on it, i bet you could prove homosexuality is acceptable... desireable even, if you chose the right scriptures out of thousands of writings...

it isnt even a book... its a collection of writings gathered from THOUSANDS at the time that someone has used to try to prove a point.. its utterly groundless, concocted, fabricated, wrong.

 

The FULL truth....

 

The Bible is supposedly the history of the Planet, how we're all created in "God's" image.... Well, okay, so is God a huge flying reptile, a Neanderthal, or Neolithic......? Anthropoligists have proven that mankind went through many stages of development as opposed to us suddenly being "created".... The evidence is there in just about every natural history museum in the world, there are SKELETONS, there are FOSSILS to back up Evolution, absolutely NOTHING to back up ANY religious theory.....

The FULL truth....

 

The Bible is supposedly the history of the Planet, how we're all created in "God's" image.... Well, okay, so is God a huge flying reptile, a Neanderthal, or Neolithic......? Anthropoligists have proven that mankind went through many stages of development as opposed to us suddenly being "created".... The evidence is there in just about every natural history museum in the world, there are SKELETONS, there are FOSSILS to back up Evolution, absolutely NOTHING to back up ANY religious theory.....

 

But Darwin would classify homossexuality as "deletery"... The nazis took it seriously when they tried to "purify" their race, by killing, among others, homossexuals. I don´t think the situation of the homossexuals (or anyone elses) would be any better in a darwinian world then in a hipothetic christian world. It´s more then an established historical fact that militant atheism is related to more human deaths in the 20th century then christianity in its 2 thousand years of history. That´s not even counting f***ing nazism, but only the openly atheist ideologies. Of course, if people are just animals descending from animal evolution, then there´s nothing wrong with killing them, since we kill animals to eat and other purpouses. What´s the f***ing difference in killing an old men in a wheelchair, and killing a health adult cow or horse??? Not a single scientific explanation for this. Since human beins are inside the evolution process, there isn´t any scientific basis for stating that humans are all equal. In fact there must be some inferior races, and some superior don´t you think?

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But Darwin would classify homossexuality as "deletery"... The nazis took it seriously when they tried to "purify" their race, by killing, among others, homossexuals. I don´t think the situation of the homossexuals (or anyone elses) would be any better in a darwinian world then in a hipothetic christian world. It´s more then an established historical fact that militant atheism is related to more human deaths in the 20th century then christianity in its 2 thousand years of history. That´s not even counting f***ing nazism, but only the openly atheist ideologies. Of course, if people are just animals descending from animal evolution, then there´s nothing wrong with killing them, since we kill animals to eat and other purpouses. What´s the f***ing difference in killing an old men in a wheelchair, and killing a health adult cow or horse??? Not a single scientific explanation for this. Since human beins are inside the evolution process, there isn´t any scientific basis for stating that humans are all equal. In fact there must be some inferior races, and some superior don´t you think?

 

tbh i think your posts are getting more and more bizarre...

 

1) darwin was alive 150 years ago, and like his theory, our understanding of life on earth has evolved. this is 2008, with all the scientific and technological advances.

 

2) so in consequence yes, gay people would be better off in a darwinian world because its still open to evolution and we understand more about homosexuality. unlike the bible which hasnt changed in 2000 years (although mankind has .... strange that 'god' didnt see that one coming!!! :lol: )

 

3) youve previously stated that everything in our life is pre-ordained, therefore god himself created homosexuality.. so how can it be wrong?

 

4) utter rubbish... 'militant atheism'? atheism does NOT preach killing is ok, discrimination is ok, for that you just have to look in the bible where the god of love is actually portrayed as a war-monger killing millions. NEVER has there been mass killings in the name of atheism! maybe apart from the romans feeding christians to the lions :lol:. thats a red herring christians chose to believe in order to prop up their dodgy doctrine.

 

5) your comments about man being animals is ridiculous, utterly stupid, and has failed glareingly to understand the concept of EVOLUTION.

tbh i think your posts are getting more and more bizarre...

 

1) darwin was alive 150 years ago, and like his theory, our understanding of life on earth has evolved. this is 2008, with all the scientific and technological advances.

And what has changed in the last 150 years??? Since when have gay or lesbian couples started to be able to reproduce? It remains deletary, and negative from evolutionistic perspective.

 

2) so in consequence yes, gay people would be better off in a darwinian world because its still open to evolution and we understand more about homosexuality. unlike the bible which hasnt changed in 2000 years (although mankind has .... strange that 'god' didnt see that one coming!!! :lol: )

Homossexuality is not open to evolution, since the only way a gay couple can have kids is adopting. So, homossexuality is deletery by Darwinian criteria. Shocked? That´s how pure science works, without a moral basis behind it. So how can the situation of homossexuals be better in a darwinian world, since darwinism is amoral, it only recognises the fact that the stronger ones will survive, and the weaker becomes fossil. So that´s the destiny of homossexuals acording to darwinian logic.

 

 

4) utter rubbish... 'militant atheism'? atheism does NOT preach killing is ok, discrimination is ok, for that you just have to look in the bible where the god of love is actually portrayed as a war-monger killing millions. NEVER has there been mass killings in the name of atheism! maybe apart from the romans feeding christians to the lions :lol:. thats a red herring christians chose to believe in order to prop up their dodgy doctrine.

Of course atheism doesn´t preach killing (it doesn´t preach nothing cause it has no moral basis), aswell as christianity doesn´t. But so-called christians have killed to defend their supposed orthodoxy, just like atheists have killed to defend a state that ensures people not to have a religion.

 

5) your comments about man being animals is ridiculous, utterly stupid, and has failed glareingly to understand the concept of EVOLUTION.

Why? Your scientific knowledge seems laughable. Why are human being not animals, just more evolved? Your belief that human beings have a "spirit" comes from a christian background... even if you are atheist, you have to look back to the christian background in the western culture in order to find your values. Because science itself is amoral, you can´t come to a conclusion of what´s wrong or right with science being your only guide, science justs says 1+1 = 2, but not if that´s good or bad. Science and reason are indifferent to morals.

And what has changed in the last 150 years??? Since when have gay or lesbian couples started to be able to reproduce? It remains deletary, and negative from evolutionistic perspective.

 

Homossexuality is not open to evolution, since the only way a gay couple can have kids is adopting. So, homossexuality is deletery by Darwinian criteria. Shocked? That´s how pure science works, without a moral basis behind it. So how can the situation of homossexuals be better in a darwinian world, since darwinism is amoral, it only recognises the fact that the stronger ones will survive, and the weaker becomes fossil. So that´s the destiny of homossexuals acording to darwinian logic.

Of course atheism doesn´t preach killing (it doesn´t preach nothing cause it has no moral basis), aswell as christianity doesn´t. But so-called christians have killed to defend their supposed orthodoxy, just like atheists have killed to defend a state that ensures people not to have a religion.

Why? Your scientific knowledge seems laughable. Why are human being not animals, just more evolved? Your belief that human beings have a "spirit" comes from a christian background... even if you are atheist, you have to look back to the christian background in the western culture in order to find your values. Because science itself is amoral, you can´t come to a conclusion of what´s wrong or right with science being your only guide, science justs says 1+1 = 2, but not if that´s good or bad. Science and reason are indifferent to morals.

 

"whats changed in the last 150 years"?... do i really need to spell it out to you?

 

attitudes, the human race, scientific knowlege, etc etc etc all help us now understand more about homosexuality then the bloody victorians did! :lol:

 

darwin did not preach that being gay was wrong, the church does. even then let alone now in our more enlightend times.

 

oh lord.... humans are clearly more developed then animals. your comparison was utterly ridiculous, of course theres no grounds for killing humans although christians seem to find an excuse.

 

its a total red herring, its utterly WRONG to call simple humanitarian values 'christian'... there were advanced civilisations long before that ginger t*** ever supposed to have lived! spirituality ISNT the preserve of religion! nor are moral values.

 

"whats changed in the last 150 years"?... do i really need to spell it out to you?

 

attitudes, the human race, scientific knowlege, etc etc etc all help us now understand more about homosexuality then the bloody victorians did! :lol:

 

darwin did not preach that being gay was wrong, the church does. even then let alone now in our more enlightend times.

 

oh lord.... humans are clearly more developed then animals. your comparison was utterly ridiculous, of course theres no grounds for killing humans although christians seem to find an excuse.

 

its a total red herring, its utterly WRONG to call simple humanitarian values 'christian'... there were advanced civilisations long before that ginger t*** ever supposed to have lived! spirituality ISNT the preserve of religion! nor are moral values.

 

We might understand homossexuality better, but unless I missed something, did any method of reproduction for homossexual couples was developed in the last 150 years? It´s still to be heard from. From the 6 billion human beings out there, 100% (and not 99,99999% :unsure: ) are born of one men and one woman, which makes your arguments totally stupid. So, it continues that homossexuality is negative from an evolutionistic point of view. Hitler did nothing but aply darwinism to purify german´s race. Select the stronger, discard the weaker. No wonder 100% of the times a state has officialy adopted atheism as its ideology, it has lead to massive destruction and an amoral society... Talk about today´s China and Korea, soviet Russia, eastern Germany, the communist countries in eastern Europe. The efects there have been so devastating that even years later, those hugely secular countries populations remain with a suicide rate atrociously bigger then any so-called christian nation. Well, if a state preaches to its own children that life has no meaning and humanity is just an acident in earth´s history, you can hardly be shocked by the f***ing suicide rate :puke2: . I LOVE how atheists are smart enough to remeber historical facts from 500 years ago concerning concerning the christianity, but have such bad memory to remember the atrocities the atheist regimes have done in the present era, or like a few decades ago. It´s laughable.

We might understand homossexuality better, but unless I missed something, did any method of reproduction for homossexual couples was developed in the last 150 years? It´s still to be heard from. From the 6 billion human beings out there, 100% (and not 99,99999% :unsure: ) are born of one men and one woman, which makes your arguments totally stupid. So, it continues that homossexuality is negative from an evolutionistic point of view. Hitler did nothing but aply darwinism to purify german´s race. Select the stronger, discard the weaker. No wonder 100% of the times a state has officialy adopted atheism as its ideology, it has lead to massive destruction and an amoral society... Talk about today´s China and Korea, soviet Russia, eastern Germany, the communist countries in eastern Europe. The efects there have been so devastating that even years later, those hugely secular countries populations remain with a suicide rate atrociously bigger then any so-called christian nation. Well, if a state preaches to its own children that life has no meaning and humanity is just an acident in earth´s history, you can hardly be shocked by the f***ing suicide rate :puke2: . I LOVE how atheists are smart enough to remeber historical facts from 500 years ago concerning concerning the christianity, but have such bad memory to remember the atrocities the atheist regimes have done in the present era, or like a few decades ago. It´s laughable.

 

 

nah nah nah... what you are doing is crediting atheism with events that atheism does NOT comdone..

 

again you are convieniantly creditying mass murder bu megolomaniacs to atheism when thats just NOT true.

 

historically NO mass murder, or lesser murder has been undertaken in the name of atheism!

 

true, some mass murderers were athiests, but they committed their crimes by using a different veil. find me 1, just 1, mass killing that was done by the conviction of atheism!

 

fascism, communism, christianity, islam, ... yes... but not 1 atrocity was committed in the name of atheism. thats what silly christians want to believe in order to give credence to their hugely flawed doctrine.,

I spotted that product in Tesco's today and it seemed to be put on the half price bargain shelf

nah nah nah... what you are doing is crediting atheism with events that atheism does NOT comdone..

 

again you are convieniantly creditying mass murder bu megolomaniacs to atheism when thats just NOT true.

 

historically NO mass murder, or lesser murder has been undertaken in the name of atheism!

 

true, some mass murderers were athiests, but they committed their crimes by using a different veil. find me 1, just 1, mass killing that was done by the conviction of atheism!

 

fascism, communism, christianity, islam, ... yes... but not 1 atrocity was committed in the name of atheism. thats what silly christians want to believe in order to give credence to their hugely flawed doctrine.,

 

Totally.... There is NO evidence to support this ridiculous notion that the mass murders committed by Stalin or Hitler was done in the name of "atheism".... For a start, Hitler believed in Norse Mythology and various types of mysticism (rather UN-Atheist activities one would think.... -_- ), the Swastika itself was an inversion of an ancient Hindu symbol..... Well, in order to invert something, one must surely believe in it in the first place in order to oppose it... Stalin was only opposed to the Church because they were opposed to him.. I have no doubt whatsoever that if they'd been on board with Stalin, he would have allowed them to continue their activities.... He was a dictator, he wasn't doing anything for any other reason than to hold onto power and crush anyone who opposed him, he even had Trotsky, a hero of the Revolution, killed FFS..... :lol: :lol:

religion IS supersticious nonsense, theres not 1 shred of evidence that supports any religion, its all in the head. but we have discussed this many times before. i dont agree that its an 'excuse', you dont need an excuse not to dislike anything, you need a reason.

Just because YOU don't choose to believe in it doesn't make it nonsense. May God have mercy on your soul, man.

I completely disagree. It IS an excuse. People don't like homosexuality, so they say, hey, religion doesn't encourage this, we can say that's why we don't like it!

 

2) so in consequence yes, gay people would be better off in a darwinian world because its still open to evolution and we understand more about homosexuality. unlike the bible which hasnt changed in 2000 years (although mankind has .... strange that 'god' didnt see that one coming!!! :lol: )

OHHH THAT'S FUNNY. Obviously you've never read the Bible. It talks of things that will happen in the future, things that are already happening...strange that you're making points that don't correspond with the subject.

 

3) youve previously stated that everything in our life is pre-ordained, therefore god himself created homosexuality.. so how can it be wrong?

Are you saying that supposedly everything God created is good? Now THAT'S funny. He obviously didn't want a perfect world; otherwise he wouldn't have created killing, the human will, anything.

 

4) utter rubbish... 'militant atheism'? atheism does NOT preach killing is ok, discrimination is ok, for that you just have to look in the bible where the god of love is actually portrayed as a war-monger killing millions. NEVER has there been mass killings in the name of atheism! maybe apart from the romans feeding christians to the lions :lol:. thats a red herring christians chose to believe in order to prop up their dodgy doctrine.

You seem to have nothing better to do than diss Christianity. I honestly find that quite sad indeed.

Also...atheism doesn't preach ANYTHING, does it? :P

 

5) your comments about man being animals is ridiculous, utterly stupid, and has failed glareingly to understand the concept of EVOLUTION.

Actually, it made sense - because if you think about it evolutionwise, all we are is another type of animal. More intelligent, maybe (after conversations like these I wonder about that though), but just another mammal.

 

And what has changed in the last 150 years??? Since when have gay or lesbian couples started to be able to reproduce? It remains deletary, and negative from evolutionistic perspective.

Wow...if that's happened...I sure have missed something xD

 

Of course atheism doesn´t preach killing (it doesn´t preach nothing cause it has no moral basis), aswell as christianity doesn´t.

Someone who grasps the basic concept! Ah, amazing. Christianity teaches that killing is WRONG. So it wouldn't make sense to suggest Christianity preaching the killing of homosexuals. Do your homework before you make idiotic responses about Christianity being based on KILLING.

 

Why? Your scientific knowledge seems laughable. Why are human being not animals, just more evolved? Your belief that human beings have a "spirit" comes from a christian background... even if you are atheist, you have to look back to the christian background in the western culture in order to find your values. Because science itself is amoral, you can´t come to a conclusion of what´s wrong or right with science being your only guide, science justs says 1+1 = 2, but not if that´s good or bad. Science and reason are indifferent to morals.

That's absolutely right.

 

oh lord.... humans are clearly more developed then animals. your comparison was utterly ridiculous, of course theres no grounds for killing humans although christians seem to find an excuse.

SHUT UP WITH THAT. Christianity and killing are polar opposites. Christians have killed, yes - but people of EVERY RELIGION, even those WITHOUT religion kill! Killing and religion really aren't connected so closely! Besides, it would seem that someone who is a Christian would have the best knowledge of what the religion DOES and DOESN'T preach - and I can assure you that they do NOT tell us to go out and kill homosexuals when we go to church.

 

spirituality ISNT the preserve of religion!

xD Oh yeah THAT made sense. Spirituality and religion are two peas in a pod. Enriching spirituality is FINDING religion.

 

Let's consult a dictionary, shall we....

SPIRITUALITY

1 : something that in ecclesiastical law belongs to the church or to a cleric as such

2 : sensitivity or attachment to religious values

 

RELIGION

1 : the service and worship of God or the supernatural

2 : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

3 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

 

Can you really find a significant difference in that...?

Just because YOU don't choose to believe in it doesn't make it nonsense. May God have mercy on your soul, man.

I completely disagree. It IS an excuse. People don't like homosexuality, so they say, hey, religion doesn't encourage this, we can say that's why we don't like it!

 

And that is exactly why most homosexuals don't practice Christianity, it seems a bit prejudice to me.

And that is exactly why most homosexuals don't practice Christianity, it seems a bit prejudice to me.

 

Indeed. It is sad that pretty much the only so-called "justification" left for denying gay people their rights is religion. People who will point to a certain passage in the Bible and say, "It says right here that it is immoral". The Bible should never be taken that literally.

 

The most hilarious thing about these fundamentalists is that they pick and choose passages they want to interpret literally.

 

The passages about gay people should be taken literally. (apparently)

However, the one that says "whoever has worked on Sunday shall be put to death" does not. This could never apply because they themselves have worked on Sunday.

 

I don't recall a commandment being "Thou Shalt Not Be Gay". I do remember "Thou shall not covet thy neighbours goods" as one - something these "pious" people no doubt do every day.

and I can assure you that they do NOT tell us to go out and kill homosexuals when we go to church.

 

Maybe not, but the church does preach that Homosexuals are "sinners" and are somehow "dirty", and that Homosexuality is incompatible with god and faith.. Both of which are fukkin' nonsense, and it's this sort of false teaching that provides the excuse for certain individuals to go out there and batter gays .... Religion is a bit like the BNP (British Nationalist Party, a bit like the KKK, but with pretentions of being a Political party as opposed to what they really are....), the BNP doesn't explicitly say - "go out and beat up p@kis and n*****s", but it does manipulate people's attitudes in a way that Asians and Blacks do get targeted for abuse, religion manipulates people in the same manner against gays....

 

And, I'm sorry, but I dont give a toss what some dictionary definition says - Spirituality comes from within a person and their own attitudes and beliefs.... Spirituality has bugger all to do with organised religions, a person can be spiritual and not be a member of any one particular faith....

Killing and religion really aren't connected so closely!

Tell that too the crusaders, all the catholics/protestants that have killed eachother, every religious fanatic that straps a bomb to themselves and sets themselves off on the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan.... and those are only examples i can think of off the top of my head, i'm sure if you digged down the list would be HUGE.

 

Besides, it would seem that someone who is a Christian would have the best knowledge of what the religion DOES and DOESN'T preach - and I can assure you that they do NOT tell us to go out and kill homosexuals when we go to church.

Not now it doesn't but i'm sure it will have done sometime in it's history. Plenty of times throughout history Christianity has preached about killing minorites and other religons. Spanish Inquisition anybody?

Just because YOU don't choose to believe in it doesn't make it nonsense. May God have mercy on your soul, man.

I completely disagree. It IS an excuse. People don't like homosexuality, so they say, hey, religion doesn't encourage this, we can say that's why we don't like it!

OHHH THAT'S FUNNY. Obviously you've never read the Bible. It talks of things that will happen in the future, things that are already happening...strange that you're making points that don't correspond with the subject.

Are you saying that supposedly everything God created is good? Now THAT'S funny. He obviously didn't want a perfect world; otherwise he wouldn't have created killing, the human will, anything.

You seem to have nothing better to do than diss Christianity. I honestly find that quite sad indeed.

Also...atheism doesn't preach ANYTHING, does it? :P

Actually, it made sense - because if you think about it evolutionwise, all we are is another type of animal. More intelligent, maybe (after conversations like these I wonder about that though), but just another mammal.

Wow...if that's happened...I sure have missed something xD

Someone who grasps the basic concept! Ah, amazing. Christianity teaches that killing is WRONG. So it wouldn't make sense to suggest Christianity preaching the killing of homosexuals. Do your homework before you make idiotic responses about Christianity being based on KILLING.

That's absolutely right.

SHUT UP WITH THAT. Christianity and killing are polar opposites. Christians have killed, yes - but people of EVERY RELIGION, even those WITHOUT religion kill! Killing and religion really aren't connected so closely! Besides, it would seem that someone who is a Christian would have the best knowledge of what the religion DOES and DOESN'T preach - and I can assure you that they do NOT tell us to go out and kill homosexuals when we go to church.

xD Oh yeah THAT made sense. Spirituality and religion are two peas in a pod. Enriching spirituality is FINDING religion.

 

Let's consult a dictionary, shall we....

SPIRITUALITY

1 : something that in ecclesiastical law belongs to the church or to a cleric as such

2 : sensitivity or attachment to religious values

 

RELIGION

1 : the service and worship of God or the supernatural

2 : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

3 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

 

Can you really find a significant difference in that...?

 

 

"Just because YOU don't choose to believe in it doesn't make it nonsense. May God have mercy on your soul, man."

 

i dont chose to believe in religion because theres not one shred of tangible EVIDENCE to support it! THATS why, through reasoned thought and examination of the subject. you fall into the trap of 'i believe it so its true' ...:lol: IT ISNT.

 

"OHHH THAT'S FUNNY. Obviously you've never read the Bible. It talks of things that will happen in the future, things that are already happening...strange that you're making points that don't correspond with the subject."

 

i was reading the bible loooonnnnnggg before you ever drew breath. and upon examination, its a complete load of nonsense (in as much that its the word of god, as a historical document it does have some weight).

 

"Are you saying that supposedly everything God created is good? Now THAT'S funny. He obviously didn't want a perfect world; otherwise he wouldn't have created killing, the human will, anything.

You seem to have nothing better to do than diss Christianity. I honestly find that quite sad indeed"

 

thats rubbish. the natural world IS perfect, the air composition, the geological composition, the exact distance from the sun, the rotation of the earth, EVERYTHING about the earth is spot on precise.... so WHY create imperfect humans only to damn them to hell?.. :lol:

 

"You seem to have nothing better to do than diss Christianity. I honestly find that quite sad indeed."

 

oh i enjoy knocking christianity, as its the biggest UNTRUTH ever hoisted on mankind. its utter nonsense and what i find sad is the fact that so many wooly minded individuals SWALLOW it, hook line and sinker. :lol: preaching lies as 'the truth' is simply wrong, the truth is something that can be proven by scientific method and cannot be argued with.

 

"Also...atheism doesn't preach ANYTHING, does it? :P"

 

eh?... of course it doesnt, its not a cult, its not a creed, its a DISBELIEF in a god, NOT in science and the existance of humankind.

 

"Actually, it made sense - because if you think about it evolutionwise, all we are is another type of animal. More intelligent, maybe (after conversations like these I wonder about that though), but just another mammal."

 

oh you believe in evolution now do you?... but the bible doesnt preach evolution! :lol: which bits are you going to believe in and which bits are you discarding? :lol: then you AGREE that mankind IS more developed! :wacko:

 

"Do your homework before you make idiotic responses about Christianity being based on KILLING. Christians have killed, yes - but people of EVERY RELIGION, even those WITHOUT religion kill! Killing and religion really aren't connected so closely"

 

no one has said that! :lol: ... but christianity HAS been used many times i the past and now in the present as an excuse to kill.

 

"Spirituality and religion are two peas in a pod. Enriching spirituality is FINDING religion."

 

another load of rubbish. you can be a spiritual person without being religious in any way.... I AM.

 

religion/christianity DOES NOT have the monopoly on things like virtues, love, morals, spirituality, kindness, etc these things existed long before xtianity was created.

christianity DOES NOT have the monopoly on things like virtues, love, morals, spirituality, kindness, etc these things existed long before xtianity was created.

 

Damn right it doesn't.. Ancient Greece anyone....? Our whole sytem of Democracy, ideas of Philosophy, most of our Laws, etc, comes from the Greek/Roman PAGANS and Polytheists, the idea of a Constitutional Monarchy started in ROME with the Senate and the Ceasers.... Bugger all to do with Christianity, Judaism or Islam....