eh?... of course it doesnt, its not a cult, its not a creed, its a DISBELIEF in a god, NOT in science and the existance of humankind.

 

Exactly... Atheism believes in science, nature, philosophy, the ideas of Humanism and Existentialism are essentially Atheist/Agnostic ideas.... SoXCynical, you seriously need to read up on this stuff, you'll find it makes a whole lot more sense than most of the rubbish in the Bible or Koran....

 

And John (Mr Crowley) is totally spot on as well, ALL of the fukked up sh"t that's happening in the world is down to ORGANISED RELIGIOUS ZEALOTRY, whether it be Christian, Jewish or Islamic..... Jews Vs Palestinians - religious fanaticism; Iraq and Afghanistan - Religious fanaticism; The continued divided society in Northern Ireland - Religious fanaticism, I could go on, but you get the idea... I want to make this absolutely plain, it aint particularly the belief in God I have a particular issue with, my whole beef is with Organised Religions..... Even JESUS had issues with organised faith.....

 

When was the last time you heard about atrocities being done in the name of Humanism or Existentialism.....? Never happened.... -_-

the worrying thing is that kids are being force fed religion as an equal or superior weight to it then science.

 

science deals with indisputable facts, it is evolving as our knowlege evolves, thats a good thing as 'the truth' is becoming clearer and more exact as new discoveries are being made.

 

religion is a belief system sold as 'the truth', but the very fact that there are so many religions, and so many factions within individual religions, must make anyone question its validity. religion is a belief, it is not 'the truth'.

Maybe not, but the church does preach that Homosexuals are "sinners" and are somehow "dirty", and that Homosexuality is incompatible with god and faith.. Both of which are fukkin' nonsense, and it's this sort of false teaching that provides the excuse for certain individuals to go out there and batter gays .... Religion is a bit like the BNP (British Nationalist Party, a bit like the KKK, but with pretentions of being a Political party as opposed to what they really are....), the BNP doesn't explicitly say - "go out and beat up p@kis and n*****s", but it does manipulate people's attitudes in a way that Asians and Blacks do get targeted for abuse, religion manipulates people in the same manner against gays....

 

And, I'm sorry, but I dont give a toss what some dictionary definition says - Spirituality comes from within a person and their own attitudes and beliefs.... Spirituality has bugger all to do with organised religions, a person can be spiritual and not be a member of any one particular faith....

 

 

Exactly.

 

And I love when religious people will try to argue that gay people should not be allowed to marry because it will ruin the sanctity of marriage. Oh I'm sorry I guess heterosexuals have never gotten a divorce, been unfaithful, etc.

 

Religion teaches love, but all it causes is hate...and justification for individuals prejudice nature.

the worrying thing is that kids are being force fed religion as an equal or superior weight to it then science.

 

science deals with indisputable facts, it is evolving as our knowlege evolves, thats a good thing as 'the truth' is becoming clearer and more exact as new discoveries are being made.

 

religion is a belief system sold as 'the truth', but the very fact that there are so many religions, and so many factions within individual religions, must make anyone question its validity. religion is a belief, it is not 'the truth'.

 

Which is basically why I totally object to RE or Creationism being taught in state schools tbh.... For me, Religion simply has no place in an institute of leaning and knowledge because Religions have for centuries been opposed to the pursuit of knowledge, particularly in areas of Science.... If parents want to take their kids to Church or Synagogue, Mosque, Temple, then that's their right I suppose, but it should not be taught in Schools as they are STATE institutions.... Time for a total separation of Church and State if you ask me.....

 

If it were up to me, I'd close down every single fukkin' relgious school in the country, or else force them to be 100% Secular, Humanist institutions dedicated to pursuit of Knowledge, SCIENCE and Nature and not Superstitious voodoo which we really should have outgrown by now.....

 

Which is basically why I totally object to RE or Creationism being taught in state schools tbh.... For me, Religion simply has no place in an institute of leaning and knowledge because Religions have for centuries been opposed to the pursuit of knowledge, particularly in areas of Science.... If parents want to take their kids to Church or Synagogue, Mosque, Temple, then that's their right I suppose, but it should not be taught in Schools as they are STATE institutions.... Time for a total separation of Church and State if you ask me.....

 

If it were up to me, I'd close down every single fukkin' relgious school in the country, or else force them to be 100% Secular, Humanist institutions dedicated to pursuit of Knowledge, SCIENCE and Nature and not Superstitious voodoo which we really should have outgrown by now.....

 

couldnt agree more. :)

 

in the early/mid 90's i was a member of a group of people who were studying into 'life' and the human beings role. as we used natural laws as our yardstick we were by definition 'pagan'. when we had open days to display what we were about, we went out onto the street and leafleted people. we were under strict instructions NOT to appraoch under 18's as it was seen as wrong.

the pagan understanding was 'to let those who want to find us'... NOT to indoctrinate KIDS as it is moraly wrong. ALL kids should be given the choice asto which, if any, religion they follow... i bet that 99.9% of people who are living by a religious ideology are ones that had it thrust onto them as kids... utterly wrong.

 

.... and i dont think ive ever known anyone with such an inappropriate username! :lol: cynical my arse! :lol:

"Just because YOU don't choose to believe in it doesn't make it nonsense. May God have mercy on your soul, man."

 

i dont chose to believe in religion because theres not one shred of tangible EVIDENCE to support it! THATS why, through reasoned thought and examination of the subject. you fall into the trap of 'i believe it so its true' ...:lol: IT ISNT.

 

"OHHH THAT'S FUNNY. Obviously you've never read the Bible. It talks of things that will happen in the future, things that are already happening...strange that you're making points that don't correspond with the subject."

 

i was reading the bible loooonnnnnggg before you ever drew breath. and upon examination, its a complete load of nonsense (in as much that its the word of god, as a historical document it does have some weight).

 

"Are you saying that supposedly everything God created is good? Now THAT'S funny. He obviously didn't want a perfect world; otherwise he wouldn't have created killing, the human will, anything.

You seem to have nothing better to do than diss Christianity. I honestly find that quite sad indeed"

 

thats rubbish. the natural world IS perfect, the air composition, the geological composition, the exact distance from the sun, the rotation of the earth, EVERYTHING about the earth is spot on precise.... so WHY create imperfect humans only to damn them to hell?.. :lol:

 

"You seem to have nothing better to do than diss Christianity. I honestly find that quite sad indeed."

 

oh i enjoy knocking christianity, as its the biggest UNTRUTH ever hoisted on mankind. its utter nonsense and what i find sad is the fact that so many wooly minded individuals SWALLOW it, hook line and sinker. :lol: preaching lies as 'the truth' is simply wrong, the truth is something that can be proven by scientific method and cannot be argued with.

 

"Also...atheism doesn't preach ANYTHING, does it? :P"

 

eh?... of course it doesnt, its not a cult, its not a creed, its a DISBELIEF in a god, NOT in science and the existance of humankind.

 

"Actually, it made sense - because if you think about it evolutionwise, all we are is another type of animal. More intelligent, maybe (after conversations like these I wonder about that though), but just another mammal."

 

oh you believe in evolution now do you?... but the bible doesnt preach evolution! :lol: which bits are you going to believe in and which bits are you discarding? :lol: then you AGREE that mankind IS more developed! :wacko:

 

"Do your homework before you make idiotic responses about Christianity being based on KILLING. Christians have killed, yes - but people of EVERY RELIGION, even those WITHOUT religion kill! Killing and religion really aren't connected so closely"

 

no one has said that! :lol: ... but christianity HAS been used many times i the past and now in the present as an excuse to kill.

 

"Spirituality and religion are two peas in a pod. Enriching spirituality is FINDING religion."

 

another load of rubbish. you can be a spiritual person without being religious in any way.... I AM.

 

religion/christianity DOES NOT have the monopoly on things like virtues, love, morals, spirituality, kindness, etc these things existed long before xtianity was created.

 

I think that's the finest post you've ever written, Rob - great stuff - sad thing is, I think the person you're directing it at will be too busy caterwauling some really $h!te singalonganonsense in some clapped-out old baptist church in Louisiana to have time to read it ;)

 

If it were up to me, I'd close down every single fukkin' relgious school in the country, or else force them to be 100% Secular, Humanist institutions dedicated to pursuit of Knowledge, SCIENCE and Nature and not Superstitious voodoo which we really should have outgrown by now.....

 

here here....

Maybe not, but the church does preach that Homosexuals are "sinners" and are somehow "dirty", and that Homosexuality is incompatible with god and faith..

Well, then I am proud to say I've never attended that church, and to be honest, I've never heard of one anywhere NEAR here that says anything of the sort.

Also, I think saying "the church" in general can never be completely correct...for regardless of the religion, different denominations in different places preach different ideals. Everyone is allowed their own interpretation of the Bible, and merely because you have heard of some churches preaching such awful disregard for human life does not mean that "the church" as a whole does.

 

And, I'm sorry, but I dont give a toss what some dictionary definition says - Spirituality comes from within a person and their own attitudes and beliefs.... Spirituality has bugger all to do with organised religions, a person can be spiritual and not be a member of any one particular faith....

Alright, then. You are, of course, entitled to whatever opinion you feel is right. I was only stating that spirituality and religion are connected. Maybe not for you, but for people in general...since you all are so fond of bloody blanket statements.

 

i dont chose to believe in religion because theres not one shred of tangible EVIDENCE to support it! THATS why, through reasoned thought and examination of the subject. you fall into the trap of 'i believe it so its true' ...:lol: IT ISNT.

 

i was reading the bible loooonnnnnggg before you ever drew breath. and upon examination, its a complete load of nonsense (in as much that its the word of god, as a historical document it does have some weight).

 

oh i enjoy knocking christianity, as its the biggest UNTRUTH ever hoisted on mankind. its utter nonsense and what i find sad is the fact that so many wooly minded individuals SWALLOW it, hook line and sinker. :lol: preaching lies as 'the truth' is simply wrong, the truth is something that can be proven by scientific method and cannot be argued with.

Perhaps you could grow up a bit and allow me to have my own beliefs. Am I forcing Christianity on you? No. Don't try to force your own $h!t on me, kay?

 

thats rubbish. the natural world IS perfect, the air composition, the geological composition, the exact distance from the sun, the rotation of the earth, EVERYTHING about the earth is spot on precise.... so WHY create imperfect humans only to damn them to hell?.. :lol:

I was not referring to Earth itself, you dimwit...I was referring to the things ON Earth. People? Animals?

 

eh?... of course it doesnt, its not a cult, its not a creed, its a DISBELIEF in a god, NOT in science and the existance of humankind.

I believe you were the one speaking of things atheism does and does not preach...but whatever. I was being petty, because you seem to be very skilled at arguing with little girls halfway across the world. What a talent.

oh you believe in evolution now do you?... but the bible doesnt preach evolution! :lol: which bits are you going to believe in and which bits are you discarding? :lol: then you AGREE that mankind IS more developed! :wacko:

I don't believe in evolution. I was attempting to look at it from YOUR perspective, which is obviously more than you could ever do for me.

 

no one has said that! :lol: ... but christianity HAS been used many times i the past and now in the present as an excuse to kill.

See that one word up there? "Excuse." THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME. People use it as an EXCUSE - but you can use ANYTHING as an excuse. Hell, you could say the tree told you to kill someone, and that would still be an excuse. Just as mad as saying your religion told you to do it.

 

another load of rubbish. you can be a spiritual person without being religious in any way.... I AM.

Oh yeah...bashing religions in your spare time is a great way of showing how spiritual you are...

 

I want to make this absolutely plain, it aint particularly the belief in God I have a particular issue with, my whole beef is with Organised Religions..... Even JESUS had issues with organised faith.....

What falls under the category of 'organized religion,' exactly? Because my religion is not based on my Sunday worship services and Wednesday night prayers....I rarely even go to church at all anymore. My religion is based on what I BELIEVE and my opinions on the world. It has nothing to do with what everyone around me is doing.

 

Which is basically why I totally object to RE or Creationism being taught in state schools tbh.... For me, Religion simply has no place in an institute of leaning and knowledge because Religions have for centuries been opposed to the pursuit of knowledge, particularly in areas of Science.... If parents want to take their kids to Church or Synagogue, Mosque, Temple, then that's their right I suppose, but it should not be taught in Schools as they are STATE institutions.... Time for a total separation of Church and State if you ask me.....

We have this thing over here called "Separation of Church and State"...perhaps you may have heard of it...:P

We aren't allowed to do anything religious at school. Our teachers aren't allowed to mention religion at all. I DO agree with this, because while I, myself, am religious, I understand that other people may not choose to be, or may choose another religion entirely. [Perhaps a few of the people on here could try to be open-minded like that and accept that I'm religious, yeah?]

 

.... and i dont think ive ever known anyone with such an inappropriate username! :lol: cynical my arse! :lol:

Perhaps you could back off of me a bit. It's from a song, if you'd like to know. My username has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to this conversation. However, is this a bit more suitable for you? Or shall I be forced to always live with the horror of OMG ROB NOT LIKING MY USERNAME! *hides under bed* :rolleyes:

 

I think that's the finest post you've ever written, Rob - great stuff - sad thing is, I think the person you're directing it at will be too busy caterwauling some really $h!te singalonganonsense in some clapped-out old baptist church in Louisiana to have time to read it ;)

Oh my Lord - some of you really HAVEN'T matured, have you? If it makes you feel any better at all, russt68, I do not attend church regularly and when I do, I neither clap, nor attend a Baptist church in Louisiana :) I do not claim a denomination, and if you ever catch me "caterwauling," you have permission to shoot me.

Maybe you're confused. I was actually too busy reading about nineteenth century England when these posts were made.

 

I can see most of you are completely close-minded and I really do feel sorry for you....If you want to stick to your beliefs, that is FINE by me, but I would appreciate the same courtesy from you. After all, was this thread not based on homosexuality? I believe it was...and I also believe you were too busy yelling at some kid who isn't even listening to you anymore to remember that. Though I am sure everything I say will be argued with, I really believe every word I've typed....

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I don't believe in evolution.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: Frankly, that has to be one of the most ridiculous things you've said....

 

Evolution aint a "belief".. It's proven FACT kiddo with actual EMPIRICAL and Anthropological evidence to back it up, UNLIKE your religions which have NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS AT ALL.... Even if you dont buy that we evolved from apes (although, frankly, the fact that we share over 98% of our DNA with Apes kind of speaks for itself if you ask me....), we sure as hell evolved from Neanderthal and Neolithic man to what we are now, why dont you actually go and visit a MUSEUM some time mate instead of a fukkin' church...

 

I suppose you believe in "Creationism" do you.... :rolleyes: Oh PUH-LEEEEEEEEEEEZE.... That is a dangerous, psuedo-"scientific" piece of Propaganda bullsh!t which fills impressionable kids's heads full of nonsense, and has no place being taught in a school.... SHAME on your school for teaching it if it does and SHAME on your family for encouraging your learning of this nonsense.... "Creationism" is every bit as dangerous as the study of Eugenics which culminated in Hitler's "master race" theory.... <_<

 

You know what, your posts just prove to me once and for all that children should not be exposed to Religions, your head is full of this rubbish and you're closed off to the facts, I feel sorry for you, religion has done its job and brainwashed you -_- , and you dont even realise what's happened, which is the real tragedy....

I don't believe in evolution. I was attempting to look at it from YOUR perspective, which is obviously more than you could ever do for me.

See that one word up there? "Excuse." THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME. People use it as an EXCUSE - but you can use ANYTHING as an excuse. Hell, you could say the tree told you to kill someone, and that would still be an excuse. Just as mad as saying your religion told you to do it.

Oh yeah...bashing religions in your spare time is a great way of showing how spiritual you are...

What falls under the category of 'organized religion,' exactly? Because my religion is not based on my Sunday worship services and Wednesday night prayers....I rarely even go to church at all anymore. My religion is based on what I BELIEVE and my opinions on the world. It has nothing to do with what everyone around me is doing.

We have this thing over here called "Separation of Church and State"...perhaps you may have heard of it...:P

We aren't allowed to do anything religious at school. Our teachers aren't allowed to mention religion at all. I DO agree with this, because while I, myself, am religious, I understand that other people may not choose to be, or may choose another religion entirely. [Perhaps a few of the people on here could try to be open-minded like that and accept that I'm religious, yeah?]

Perhaps you could back off of me a bit. It's from a song, if you'd like to know. My username has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to this conversation. However, is this a bit more suitable for you? Or shall I be forced to always live with the horror of OMG ROB NOT LIKING MY USERNAME! *hides under bed* :rolleyes:

Oh my Lord - some of you really HAVEN'T matured, have you? If it makes you feel any better at all, russt68, I do not attend church regularly and when I do, I neither clap, nor attend a Baptist church in Louisiana :) I do not claim a denomination, and if you ever catch me "caterwauling," you have permission to shoot me.

Maybe you're confused. I was actually too busy reading about nineteenth century England when these posts were made.

 

I can see most of you are completely close-minded and I really do feel sorry for you....If you want to stick to your beliefs, that is FINE by me, but I would appreciate the same courtesy from you. After all, was this thread not based on homosexuality? I believe it was...and I also believe you were too busy yelling at some kid who isn't even listening to you anymore to remember that. Though I am sure everything I say will be argued with, I really believe every word I've typed....

 

i cant be bothered to reply to your childish foot stompings... you clearly dont understand debate and are coming across like a foot stomping bratt :)

After all, was this thread not based on homosexuality? I believe it was...

 

Yes, and the debate "evolved"... :lol: So there you go mate, the theory of Evolution in practice.... :P

 

And besides, if you dont recognise the fact that the vast majority of homophobia, anti-gay prejudice and gay-bashing revolves around outmoded and archaic moral platitudes based upon equally outmoded and archaic religious teachings (which are so indelibly stamped onto our psyches from a young age, that even when you don't actually believe in them some things can still stick..) then you're a fool... This ad was pulled because 200 whingeing buggers complained about it upsetting their ridiculous sense of morality... I would reckon it highly likely that the majority if not ALL of these 200 complainers have some kind of moralistic religious belief system.... So, HELL YEAH, it's relevant to talk about Religion within the auspices of a debate on Homosexuality... Like, DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHH as you Americans are so fond of saying...... :rolleyes:

 

You know what, your posts just prove to me once and for all that children should not be exposed to Religions, your head is full of this rubbish and you're closed off to the facts, I feel sorry for you, religion has done its job and brainwashed you -_- , and you dont even realise what's happened, which is the real tragedy....

 

excellent post - very true, too.

i cant be bothered to reply to your childish foot stompings... you clearly dont understand debate and are coming across like a foot stomping bratt :)

My childish foot stompings? Please. Sorry if I'm trying to get my point across - I can see you are all completely close-minded and will never allow anyone to have an opinion that differs from yours. I really find that sad.

 

I am not, under any circumstances, a foot-stomping brat. *sigh* I understand debate perfectly. This is not DEBATE, this is a group of guys insulting religion. Debate would imply that you are actually listening, which you clearly are not.

 

This ad was pulled because 200 whingeing buggers complained about it upsetting their ridiculous sense of morality... I would reckon it highly likely that the majority if not ALL of these 200 complainers have some kind of moralistic religious belief system.... So, HELL YEAH, it's relevant to talk about Religion within the auspices of a debate on Homosexuality... Like, DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHH as you Americans are so fond of saying...... :rolleyes:

First of all, I DISAGREE WITH THE AD BEING REMOVED. You seem to be suffering from the delusion that I am homophobic or agree with those imbeciles who complained.

Might I add that Americans aren't fond of saying that? Only idiotic preppy people with no brain. :rolleyes:

 

Religion was NOT forced on me, in any way. I chose to believe it by my OWN CHOICE. My parents don't take me to church and don't make me read the Bible. This was, in NO WAY, my parents' decision! They encourage what I believe, but they didn't make the choice for me. In case you didn't know, it IS possible for children to disagree with their families. My parents are a bit on the homophobic side, but has that influenced me in any way? Not at all.

When religion is finally washed from the face of the planet like some people want and homophobic people need to find a new excuse for their hate, Darwin´s theory will be it... it has already served as excuse for the hate against jews, black people and homossexuals in the nazis regime... after all, under evolution there are more developed races and less developed races, aswell as deletery genes... After all, if people evolve homossexuality should diminish or disappear because of natural selection, doesn´t it? Since people who only have sex with people of the same gender are very very unlikely to reproduce. The destruction of deformed children should also be a consequence in a world lead by no morals... since in a Darwinian world, only the strongest and better adapted survive, and the weak are in no way interesting to the development of the species. In fact, it already happened in pagan Greece (which supposedly gave us our moral basis, right?) when it was normal to discard people who were born with malformations or were too old to be useful. And it already starts to happen again in secularized Netherlands, with elder people running to Germany like refugiates because they fear to receive the "euthanasia" treatment from their families, not to mention the coward homicide of inofensive foetus - who are unwanted by people who think having a kid is too much of a weight to carry. No wonder the population of these countries is dryng... nobody wants to have kids anymore. Well, I went to an atheist funeral once, and what a sad and pathetic situation - very hard to come up to the relatives and give an encouraging word when it comes to people who have no faith. And I can understand why secularized and/or atheist countries are the ones with the smallest rate of births and highest rates of suicide - who would ever want to send a newborn into this cruel world? Read by the worldview of agnosticism life has no meaning, and it tends to become torture.

 

When I confront to pseudo-intelectual ideas by always mourning atheist/agnostic people, in fact, I feel thankful for being considered "ignorant". It makes me remember the prayer of Jesus that says "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. . And it is, at the same time, a big contradiction to see people who consider themselves so "enlightneded" and "open minded" to come with such low prejudice and archaic ideas of the world. Like tomorrow I´m going to clap my hands in a temple with a bunch of fools... no way, I´d rather be singing hymns written by Beethoven or Bach, and other musical genius who were christians, that they usually play on sunday mornings on my local church, while the "intelectual" people stay in their home listening to some indie-rock band and laughing about how archaic and ignorant christians are. But despite my musical preferences, I respect people who prefer worship in a very simple way with popular music. Surely their musical taste is no inferior to average secularized people, as we can see by the line up of artists that usually play on events like gay pride. In case I die young, I´m already choosing which Bach songs will be played on my funeral - must be one inspired by much faith and hope, never want to leave my family in the painful situation of having no hope and no words of encouragement, which is the typical atheist funeral. Going know because I need to wake up early tomorrow... to gather in a temple, listen to genial music, meet the coolest bunch of "ignorant" people I know, and thanking my favourite deity for not being a bitter and unhappy wisemen.

When religion is finally washed from the face of the planet like some people want and homophobic people need to find a new excuse for their hate, Darwin´s theory will be it... it has already served as excuse for the hate against jews, black people and homossexuals in the nazis regime... after all, under evolution there are more developed races and less developed races, aswell as deletery genes... After all, if people evolve homossexuality should diminish or disappear because of natural selection, doesn´t it? Since people who only have sex with people of the same gender are very very unlikely to reproduce. The destruction of deformed children should also be a consequence in a world lead by no morals... since in a Darwinian world, only the strongest and better adapted survive, and the weak are in no way interesting to the development of the species. In fact, it already happened in pagan Greece (which supposedly gave us our moral basis, right?) when it was normal to discard people who were born with malformations or were too old to be useful. And it already starts to happen again in secularized Netherlands, with elder people running to Germany like refugiates because they fear to receive the "euthanasia" treatment from their families, not to mention the coward homicide of inofensive foetus - who are unwanted by people who think having a kid is too much of a weight to carry. No wonder the population of these countries is dryng... nobody wants to have kids anymore. Well, I went to an atheist funeral once, and what a sad and pathetic situation - very hard to come up to the relatives and give an encouraging word when it comes to people who have no faith. And I can understand why secularized and/or atheist countries are the ones with the smallest rate of births and highest rates of suicide - who would ever want to send a newborn into this cruel world? Read by the worldview of agnosticism life has no meaning, and it tends to become torture.

 

When I confront to pseudo-intelectual ideas by always mourning atheist/agnostic people, in fact, I feel thankful for being considered "ignorant". It makes me remember the prayer of Jesus that says "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. . And it is, at the same time, a big contradiction to see people who consider themselves so "enlightneded" and "open minded" to come with such low prejudice and archaic ideas of the world. Like tomorrow I´m going to clap my hands in a temple with a bunch of fools... no way, I´d rather be singing hymns written by Beethoven or Bach, and other musical genius who were christians, that they usually play on sunday mornings on my local church, while the "intelectual" people stay in their home listening to some indie-rock band and laughing about how archaic and ignorant christians are. But despite my musical preferences, I respect people who prefer worship in a very simple way with popular music. Surely their musical taste is no inferior to average secularized people, as we can see by the line up of artists that usually play on events like gay pride. In case I die young, I´m already choosing which Bach songs will be played on my funeral - must be one inspired by much faith and hope, never want to leave my family in the painful situation of having no hope and no words of encouragement, which is the typical atheist funeral. Going know because I need to wake up early tomorrow... to gather in a temple, listen to genial music, meet the coolest bunch of "ignorant" people I know, and thanking my favourite deity for not being a bitter and unhappy wisemen.

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When religion is finally washed from the face of the planet like some people want and homophobic people need to find a new excuse for their hate, Darwin´s theory will be it... it has already served as excuse for the hate against jews, black people and homossexuals in the nazis regime... after all, under evolution there are more developed races and less developed races, aswell as deletery genes... After all, if people evolve homossexuality should diminish or disappear because of natural selection, doesn´t it? Since people who only have sex with people of the same gender are very very unlikely to reproduce. The destruction of deformed children should also be a consequence in a world lead by no morals... since in a Darwinian world, only the strongest and better adapted survive, and the weak are in no way interesting to the development of the species. In fact, it already happened in pagan Greece (which supposedly gave us our moral basis, right?) when it was normal to discard people who were born with malformations or were too old to be useful. And it already starts to happen again in secularized Netherlands, with elder people running to Germany like refugiates because they fear to receive the "euthanasia" treatment from their families, not to mention the coward homicide of inofensive foetus - who are unwanted by people who think having a kid is too much of a weight to carry. No wonder the population of these countries is dryng... nobody wants to have kids anymore. Well, I went to an atheist funeral once, and what a sad and pathetic situation - very hard to come up to the relatives and give an encouraging word when it comes to people who have no faith. And I can understand why secularized and/or atheist countries are the ones with the smallest rate of births and highest rates of suicide - who would ever want to send a newborn into this cruel world? Read by the worldview of agnosticism life has no meaning, and it tends to become torture.

 

When I confront to pseudo-intelectual ideas by always mourning atheist/agnostic people, in fact, I feel thankful for being considered "ignorant". It makes me remember the prayer of Jesus that says "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. . And it is, at the same time, a big contradiction to see people who consider themselves so "enlightneded" and "open minded" to come with such low prejudice and archaic ideas of the world. Like tomorrow I´m going to clap my hands in a temple with a bunch of fools... no way, I´d rather be singing hymns written by Beethoven or Bach, and other musical genius who were christians, that they usually play on sunday mornings on my local church, while the "intelectual" people stay in their home listening to some indie-rock band and laughing about how archaic and ignorant christians are. But despite my musical preferences, I respect people who prefer worship in a very simple way with popular music. Surely their musical taste is no inferior to average secularized people, as we can see by the line up of artists that usually play on events like gay pride. In case I die young, I´m already choosing which Bach songs will be played on my funeral - must be one inspired by much faith and hope, never want to leave my family in the painful situation of having no hope and no words of encouragement, which is the typical atheist funeral. Going know because I need to wake up early tomorrow... to gather in a temple, listen to genial music, meet the coolest bunch of "ignorant" people I know, and thanking my favourite deity for not being a bitter and unhappy wisemen.

 

actually you hit on a very salient point.... surely if there is a 'gay gene' then by darwinian theory homosexuality shoud die out. but it isnt doing...

 

however IF a mythical prayer said by a mythical person two thousand years ago gives you succur.. then so be it!... but you snear at being called 'ignorant' , then accept this payer as 'gospel', 'the truth'.. the whole christian ideaology is based on people accepting a totally unproven, unscientific, theory with nothing but faith. cant you see that us 'poor open minded' people just cannot accept such a premis!

 

and so what if beethoven , bach, were christians? they hardly had a choice! that wretched religion has been indoctrinated into western society for 1500 years by power hungry 'leaders' to prop up their right to 'rule'... 'divine right'?..lol.. oh well if god wanted henry to be king then who are we to dare to argue?..lol. the point being that christianity is a tradition, like all other religions its forced upon parents kids from birth, every brat born has its rubber stamp of approval by their countries religion. thats wrong.

 

and just for the record.... i too like classical music, wether it was written by a christian, muslim, pagan or fukkin alien. (just in case you were hinting that only christians could compose 'high brow' music).

 

My childish foot stompings? Please. Sorry if I'm trying to get my point across - I can see you are all completely close-minded and will never allow anyone to have an opinion that differs from yours. I really find that sad.

 

I am not, under any circumstances, a foot-stomping brat. *sigh* I understand debate perfectly. This is not DEBATE, this is a group of guys insulting religion. Debate would imply that you are actually listening, which you clearly are not.

First of all, I DISAGREE WITH THE AD BEING REMOVED. You seem to be suffering from the delusion that I am homophobic or agree with those imbeciles who complained.

Might I add that Americans aren't fond of saying that? Only idiotic preppy people with no brain. :rolleyes:

 

Religion was NOT forced on me, in any way. I chose to believe it by my OWN CHOICE. My parents don't take me to church and don't make me read the Bible. This was, in NO WAY, my parents' decision! They encourage what I believe, but they didn't make the choice for me. In case you didn't know, it IS possible for children to disagree with their families. My parents are a bit on the homophobic side, but has that influenced me in any way? Not at all.

 

but what is your opinion?... "ill believe what i want to?" then back it up with some tangible FACTS! simply saying 'ill believe what i want too' ISNT anything short of a childish stomp!

 

it isnt a group of guys insulting religion, we are clearly offering up plenty of reasons WHY we reject it, reasons came to by reasoned thought. unfortunately to counter these positions all you have is 'ill believe it if i want too'...:lol: theres no SUBSTANCE to your position. listening? to what?.. you have not made any point here that you can substantiate!

 

THE POINT BEING THAT CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON A TOTALLY FLAWED 'BOOK' . there is no sound basis for christianity at all, or any other orthadox religion either. christianity was born out of a millenia of suspersticious races, hell.. if the egyptians bothered to write down as much as the jews we could still be worshiping the sun!

 

yeah...right... you freely chose to follow christianity as 'the truth'..

 

how many other religions did you actually examine?... :lol: as if there was any choice..

and so what if beethoven , bach, were christians? they hardly had a choice! that wretched religion has been indoctrinated into western society for 1500 years by power hungry 'leaders' to prop up their right to 'rule'... 'divine right'?..lol.. oh well if god wanted henry to be king then who are we to dare to argue?..lol.

 

The FULL TRUTH.... This is all "organised" Religions are, methods by which the ruling classes control and manipulate the masses... Yeah, good ole Henry VIII, tearing half the fukkin' country apart, persecuting and hanging anyone who had the temerity to hang onto their faith, colonising and subjugating Ireland which has had knock-on effects for hundreds of years and created a completely divided society within the Northern Ireland.... And all because the stupid ginger c/unt wanted a divorce... Nice one mate..... <_< Fukk religion....

 

The truest thing Karl Marx ever said was "Religion is the Opiate of the masses".. And it bloody is... It IS like a drug, I see footage of these idiots, the Evangelists, Baptists, Pentechostals, nutters who worship with snakes, "Faith Healers", etc, and honestly, it's like watching a bunch of people totally fukked up on drugs.... Religion IS a drug, and it's time we all kicked the habit.....