what utter bollox.... certainly in the western world ive NEVER heard of any doctor being accused of being a sexual pervert... yet whats this, my tv is on, bbc news... the pope in austrailia is apologising for FILTHY p**** CATHOLIC PREISTS who have betrayed their trust and abused kids... thats RIFE in the catholic church, here in the uk, in america.. theres hundereds of cases of it... yet NOT 1 DOCTOR.

 

So here it is, your first time:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-319.html

 

It was news just because it was Tony Blair´s doctor. But of course there are paedophiles in all professional areas. Paedophilia among clergyman exists in the same proportion as it does among lay or secular people. Let´s fight against medicine then!

 

What´s more bizarre (or sad), is that Netherlands has a pro-paedophilia group. For this group, paedophilia is not a psychiatric disease, but a "natural" sexual orientation. Obviously this group have no connection with the Catholic Church or any other religious groups, and they find no legal restrictions to publish their ideas since they are established in an atheist country, here it is:

 

http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/dutch_movement_text.htm

What´s more bizarre (or sad), is that Netherlands has a pro-paedophilia group. For this group, paedophilia is not a psychiatric disease, but a "natural" sexual orientation. Obviously this group have no connection with the Catholic Church or any other religious groups, and they find no legal restrictions to publish their ideas since they are established in an atheist country, here it is:

 

http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/dutch_movement_text.htm

 

That's f***ing stupid. You can't have sex with a nonconsenting individual and think it's ok...

So here it is, your first time:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-319.html

 

It was news just because it was Tony Blair´s doctor. But of course there are paedophiles in all professional areas. Paedophilia among clergyman exists in the same proportion as it does among lay or secular people. Let´s fight against medicine then!

 

What´s more bizarre (or sad), is that Netherlands has a pro-paedophilia group. For this group, paedophilia is not a psychiatric disease, but a "natural" sexual orientation. Obviously this group have no connection with the Catholic Church or any other religious groups, and they find no legal restrictions to publish their ideas since they are established in an atheist country, here it is:

 

http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/dutch_movement_text.htm

 

ONE case! ... your argument doesnt make sense, besides i never said 'ban religion because of p**** clergy'!!! i and scott, pointed out that amongst the catholic church theres an over proportion of preists who have been systematically abusing children for DECADES... so much for their faith.

Who the hell is sayng that the conversion of some atheist, or the existence of genial christian intelectuals is a proof of God´s existence??? No, it´s not and I was not tryng to say that. It´s just a proof that it´s not impossible to be intelligent and christian at the same time. I´m not only talking about scientists of 500 years or the dark ages. I can write you down a list of today´s names or from a very recent past, including several noble prize winners, which proves that the theory of christians being intelectually inferior is just prejudice and bull$h!t. And by the way C.S. Lewis didn´t live in the neolitic age, he just lived in contemporary England, and was an instructed person, not a peasant.

 

.... but it proves NOTHING. of course you can intelectualise anything, but it doesnt make it a fact, and THAT is what christians are good at... patting eachother on the back, useing eachothers dodgy doctrine to support eachother but its all based on NOTHING.

What´s more bizarre (or sad), is that Netherlands has a pro-paedophilia group. For this group, paedophilia is not a psychiatric disease, but a "natural" sexual orientation. Obviously this group have no connection with the Catholic Church or any other religious groups, and they find no legal restrictions to publish their ideas since they are established in an atheist country, here it is:

 

and?... what is your point?...

 

 

and?... what is your point?...

 

I´ll say the same everytime you mention clergy paedophilia, and inquisition cases of 500 years ago... what´s your point. Tired of your impartial, anacronic and dumb acusations.

ONE case! ... your argument doesnt make sense, besides i never said 'ban religion because of p**** clergy'!!! i and scott, pointed out that amongst the catholic church theres an over proportion of preists who have been systematically abusing children for DECADES... so much for their faith.

 

It´s not one cases... They´re hundreads. Just like in ANY profession where people have direct contact with kids. Mentioning paedophilia when speaking against religion is completely stupid... as if any religion have ever supported it. And NO, paedophilia among clergymen is not more usual then among secular/lay people. Any well informed person knows that. My aunt is a psycologist and she deals with kids who have suffered abuse... most of them were abused by their own parents, some of them by doctors, teachers, brothers, cousins, etc. She´s still to hear any case about a priest/clergyman. Most of child abusers are drug or alcohol addicts, and not the typical church-goer or priest-like.

It´s not one cases... They´re hundreads. Just like in ANY profession where people have direct contact with kids. Mentioning paedophilia when speaking against religion is completely stupid... as if any religion have ever supported it. And NO, paedophilia among clergymen is not more usual then among secular/lay people. Any well informed person knows that. My aunt is a psycologist and she deals with kids who have suffered abuse... most of them were abused by their own parents, some of them by doctors, teachers, brothers, cousins, etc. She´s still to hear any case about a priest/clergyman. Most of child abusers are drug or alcohol addicts, and not the typical church-goer or priest-like.

 

but according to you, its all pre-ordained, those preists were always going to abuse children because god made them do it! ffs. and just how does that make religion look?... these people... gods reprisentitives, hotline to the big guy, supposed to be setting examples that god would approve, are committing EVIL acts.. so much for their conviction.

I´ll say the same everytime you mention clergy paedophilia, and inquisition cases of 500 years ago... what´s your point. Tired of your impartial, anacronic and dumb acusations.

 

and thats exactly what i think about yours... points lost, directionless quotes from intelectuals, its just waffle.

look... theres no comparison between a couple of isolated p**** doctors (and teachers etc) and a man reprisenting GOD. a p**** doctor doesnt invalidate the actual medical service! the medicine still works!

 

but a preist, (and lets not forget that there are a huge number of p**** preists, much larger then the normal population), who supposed to be reprisenting religion, god, who commits such crimes surely DOES bring into question the very institution he is reprisenting!

Most of child abusers are drug or alcohol addicts, and not the typical church-goer or priest-like.

 

oh wake up - what utter, absolute tosh.

 

I can only assume your dog collar is on way too tight and it's making you delerious.

look... theres no comparison between a couple of isolated p**** doctors (and teachers etc) and a man reprisenting GOD. a p**** doctor doesnt invalidate the actual medical service! the medicine still works!

 

but a preist, (and lets not forget that there are a huge number of p**** preists, much larger then the normal population), who supposed to be reprisenting religion, god, who commits such crimes surely DOES bring into question the very institution he is reprisenting!

 

Source??? 99% of the priests never abused children... Stop mourning without sources... WHY does it bring into question the institution he represents??? WHY can´t you just be impartial and accept there are criminals in every profession, in and/or outside "the church"... Stop being childish and misinformed.

oh wake up - what utter, absolute tosh.

 

I can only assume your dog collar is on way too tight and it's making you delerious.

 

Nice arguments.... Unlike you, I don´t base my opinions on irrational hate. If you bother checking real statistic instead of just acting by your ignorant prejudice, ignorant illiterate... In fact, i know people who WORK with children who were abused... try checking real facts instead of living on your pink wonderland fairytale.

 

Source??? 99% of the priests never abused children... Stop mourning without sources... WHY does it bring into question the institution he represents??? WHY can´t you just be impartial and accept there are criminals in every profession, in and/or outside "the church"... Stop being childish and misinformed.

 

it brings into question the institution it reprisents because they are reprisenting GOD and are supposed to behave and be beyond reproach. how can gods reprisentitive have the power to forgive in a confessional sin, and preach about 'hellfire and damnation' to sinners then committ the most heinous of crimes against children.? if you cannot comprehend the discrepancy here then you are deluded.

 

even IF the number is as low as 1%, thats 1% too many. its a well known fact that child abuse in the catholic church is rife, the pop in austrailia even appologised the other day for it, the catholic church is currently paying out for victims, compensation.. you want evidence? look it up!

according to this

 

http://www.allaboutreligion.org/Catholic-Priests.htm

 

the number is 7% !!!

 

and thats only the ones we KNOW about. for every priest thats had allegations against him, theres more who havnt, but still go on committing the crime.

 

can you tell me.... if all this is pre-destined, then god organised it, therefore god WANTS people to sin.. how tf does THAT work? assuming we have no free will.

In fact, i know people who WORK with children who were abused... try checking real facts instead of living on your pink wonderland fairytale.

 

Dear oh dear - your homophobia's rearing its ugly head again isn't it? You manage to keep it under wraps for a few months then...whoops...out it pops again. Pink wonderland fairytale indeed - I'd complain about you.... but you're way too much fun to ban.

 

And of COURSE you know people who work with abused children - they're the bald, fat, sweaty preachers you kneel down in front of every week, dear.

 

Ignorant illiterate... oh.... you really couldn't make it up. :yahoo:

Another ad has been pulled, this time from Snickers...

 

Mars has pulled a UK TV ad for Snickers featuring Mr T harassing a speed walker for being a "disgrace to the man race" after US complaints that it was offensive to gay people.

 

The American confectionary giant pulled the Snickers ad even though it was never shown on TV in the US - as happened last month with the Heinz Deli Mayo ad featuring two men kissing.

 

The Snickers ad, made by the same agency that caused an international furore with the Heinz male kiss commercial, was first broadcast in the UK on July 13.

 

The commercial, by ad agency AMV BBDO, features Mr T in full-on BA Baracus mode, the character he played in The A-Team.

 

It opens with Mr T crashing through a building on the back of a flatbed truck mounted with a Snickers-firing machine gun.

 

Mr T pulls alongside a man in tight yellow shorts who is speed walking and growls: "Speed walking. I pity you fool. You a disgrace to the man race. It's time to run like a real man."

 

He then opens fire, peppering the man with Snickers bars and forcing him to break into a run.

 

In the UK the TV ad barely ruffled feathers, the Advertising Standards Authority said.

 

The ASA received just two complaints and did not investigate the commercial for a possible breach of the advertising code.

 

However, the ad caused a storm overseas. A US advertising industry title published an open letter challenging Omnicom, AMV BBDO's American parent company.

 

The Human Rights Campaign criticised Mars for perpetuating "the notion that the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community is a group of second class citizens and that violence against GLBT people is not only acceptable, but humorous".

 

Mars said that the ad was meant to be "fun", that it never intended to cause offence and has pulled the campaign.

 

"This ad is the second in a series of UK Snickers Ads featuring Mr T, which are meant to be fun and have been positively received in the UK," said a spokeswoman for Mars.

 

"However, we understand that humour is highly subjective, and it is never our intention to cause offense. Accordingly, we have pulled the Mr T Speedwalker ad globally."

 

This is just ridiculous imo, and just re-inforces the view that some people have of this gay stereotype. It's not as if every gay man goes round wearing tight yellow shorts ffs, and the advert doesn't even directly involve any form of homosexuality, as the Heinz one did.

ONE case! ... your argument doesnt make sense, besides i never said 'ban religion because of p**** clergy'!!! i and scott, pointed out that amongst the catholic church theres an over proportion of preists who have been systematically abusing children for DECADES... so much for their faith.

 

And the BMA and AMA would certainly NEVER cover up for a KNOWN p**** doctor, or try to 'relocate' them to a different practice, nor intimidate their accusers with threats of being struck off the register.... -_-

 

The present Pope used to be one of the Catholic Church's "enforcers"..... He used to go around intimidating people who accused Priests of child molestation, threatening them with "ex-commnunication"... The Catholic Church has FOR DECADES covered up for p**** Priests.....

 

it brings into question the institution it reprisents because they are reprisenting GOD and are supposed to behave and be beyond reproach. how can gods reprisentitive have the power to forgive in a confessional sin, and preach about 'hellfire and damnation' to sinners then committ the most heinous of crimes against children.? if you cannot comprehend the discrepancy here then you are deluded.

 

100% FULL TRUTH Rob.... These tiresome religious freaks get on their high-horse about adults who take part in CONSENTING HOMOSEXUAL ACTS, and then make excuses for dirty, p**** scumbag "holy men" within their ranks who completely abuse their authority and position of intimate trust.... The institution of the Catholic Church is absolutely, 100% rotten and corrupt at its very core and it should be obliterated from the face of the Earth by whatever means necessary, the Catholic Church as an institution has fukked-up people's lives for centuries, instilling guilt, insecurity, depression and various other mental and psychological malaises on people, practically FROM BIRTH... I have no doubt that there are individual Priests who do a good job and genuinely DO "walk it like they talk it" (such as the Socialist Priests in Central America who stood up for the poor against the military juntas, oh, but then, THEY were threatened with ex-communication by the last fukkin' Pope... <_< ), but these aint the Priests who'll EVER be the ones in charge in the Vatican or be Pope, because the Vatican and the institution itself is all about fukkin' POLITICS and controlling people.... <_<

Another ad has been pulled, this time from Snickers...

This is just ridiculous imo, and just re-inforces the view that some people have of this gay stereotype. It's not as if every gay man goes round wearing tight yellow shorts ffs, and the advert doesn't even directly involve any form of homosexuality, as the Heinz one did.

 

 

Oh dear.... This is just silly... I mean, come on, people have made jokes for years about Olympic walking competitions.... :rolleyes: