When you have a corporate kiss ass privately educated at one of the UK top 5 fee paying schools idiot (Conor McNicholas - who is about as subversive at David Cameron IMHO) running the NME promoting these lowest common denominator acts (Since when were the likes of Lily Allen, MCR, FOB, The Kooks, Pigeon Detectives, etc alternative) to today's teenagers and a fantastic innovative new act like Late Of The Pier (who've so far released singles in 5 track EP bundles, so making their digital releases chart ineligible, whilst building up a cult following) are ignored, then the genre is in big trouble.

 

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Spot on Rich.... It's not as if there aren't proper Indie/Alternative acts actually out there still... I compare the NME in the 80s/90s to what it is now... and OMFG..... :rolleyes: And of coure you had Melody Maker as well back in the day who would regularly take chances and give big exposure to acts like Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth, Babes In Toyland, Neds Atomic Dustbin, PWEI, Public Enemy, etc.....

 

Spot on Rich.... It's not as if there aren't proper Indie/Alternative acts actually out there still... I compare the NME in the 80s/90s to what it is now... and OMFG..... :rolleyes: And of coure you had Melody Maker as well back in the day who would regularly take chances and give big exposure to acts like Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth, Babes In Toyland, Neds Atomic Dustbin, PWEI,

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Tho a scenester wouldn't be seen dead buying a record from a band who looked a bad as they do :lol: - and no doubt thats probably why the last time i saw them mentoned in the NME it wasnt in the most positive light (even tho with their version of Love Missile F1-11 - done in a Big Audio stylee - they may have been the ones who actually invented Carbon/silicon along the way - and there like Leg-ends!!!)...

 

tho your saying aren't proper Indie/Alternative acts out there - but what is??? maybe your just being nostagic and lookingthru rose tinted glasses - like oh the Smiths - brilliant, Sonic Youth - wonderful, Pixies - amazing etc etc - looking at the random indie charts below it was probably as bad or even worse as listening to the Pigeon Detectives and the kooks today - or would you rather have an album by The Three Johns (whoever the f*** they may be!!!)

 

if you take the 1980s/early 1990s for the definition - and looking at the random chart show top tens that youtube sprung up this morning - maybe its easier just saying that these identikit landfill guitar bands (that have a certain style acceptable to viewers of 4music) are indie rock and thats it - genre definition closed without getting into the artistry of everything - dont need to do any art vs commerce discussion and say everything else that not some dudes in skinny jeans playing guitars is something else - not pop perhaps - not indie either....

 

yeah not get get into other areas such as PWEI's & the KLF's sampling culture - is that indie? and deciding whether all these 1980s synthpop/electropop acts like New Order, Electronic, Depeche Mode and Ladyhawke :lol: are indie/alternative too...(tho notice Erasure turn up a lot and i guess Erasure could also be seen as being alternative when they started out due to their sparksian hi-nrg electronic disco being an alternative to those ugly big nasty 80s soul-pop records - tho obv they got more successful as they went on doing what they do)...dont need to go into the Kylie and Goldfrapp discussion too...(as indie seems to be 99.9% male genre thing) - and dont need to wonder whether its to do with record labels and distribution and thinking whether Mute, Heavenly, Virgin and Chrysalis were all independent labels that got swallowed up by EMI and are acts on Mute still indie etc etc...

 

tho on the other hand maybe britpop just messed everything up..cause thats perhaps when it became centre stage in the mainstream with all that cool britainia stuff ...tho maybe because it went too pop the indie before is something else now just seen as a 'jangly simple, old fashioned guitar pop' (tho then again wouldnt the kooks come under this...?) because all that has gone before has lost its cool (apart from the sacrid texts of the pixies etc back catalogue) as its become more well known - and thats seems like the worst most uncool thing in indie land - becoming massive and selling loads of records..but then you think whats the point only liking record that about 4 other people in the country do...?

 

 

The Chart Show - Indie Singles 21st May 1987

10. Fields Of the Nephilium – Preacher Man

09. Erasure – Victim Of Love (see also #15 – 16,# 18 – 25, #27 – 30 below)

08. Mighty Mighty – Built Like A Car

07. The Smiths – Sheila Take A Bow (see also #20, #21 below)

06. All About Eve – Our Summer

05. Bambi Slam – Don't It Make you feel

04 Lorries – Crawling Matters

03 Depeche Mode – Strangelove (see also #7, #8, #22 – 24)

02 Pop Will Eat Itself – Love Missile F1-11

01 Gaye Bikers On Acid – Nosebleed wp

 

The Chart Show Indie Chart (1986 Special)

10 We've Got A Fuzzbox etc etc – Fuzzbox ep (see also Shampoo, Ting Tings, Vindaloo Summer Special – yay! lol:)

09 Half Man Half Buscuit – Trumpton Riots

08 Depeche Mode – Question Of Time (see also #7, #8, #22 – 24)

07 The Mission – Serpent's Kiss (see also #12 - #14)

06 The Smiths – Big Mouth (see also #20, #21 below)

05 New Order – State Of The Nation (see also #18 – 21 below, + the Other Two, Moanco, Dubstar, Saint Etienne and other electropop to disco stuff such as David Cicero)

04 The Smiths – Ask (see also #20, #21 below)

03 The Mission – Garden Of Delight (see also #12 - #14)

02 Erasure – Sometimes (see also #15 – 16,# 18 – 25, #27 – 30 below)

01 The Smiths – Panic (see also #20, #21 below)

 

The Chart Show - Indie Singles 11th September 1987

10 The Three Johns – Never and Always

09 Ghost Dance – Word To The Wise

08 The Primitives – Thru the flowers (see also Blondie, Ting Tings, Cardigans and Busted!!!)

07 The Smiths – Girlfriend in a Coma (see also #20, #21 below)

06 The KLF – Whitney Joins The Jamms (see also #1, #2, #8 –12)

05 New Order – Truth Faith (see also #18 – 21 below)

04 Big Black – The Model (see also Kraftwerk and much below)

03 Soup Dragons – Soft As Your Face (see also the Clangers)

02 Depeche Mode – Never Let Me Down (see also #7, #8, #22 – 24)

01 M/A/R/R/S – Pump Up The Volume (see also PWEI, SAW, #1, #2, #3, #17)

 

The Chart Show - Indie Singles 12.2.1988

10 Coldcut & Yazz, 9 Renagade Soundwave (see #4 #5), 8 Orchids, 7. Bomb The Bass, 6. Woodentops, 5 Pop Will Eat Itself – There Is No Love Between Us, 4 Sonic Youth, 3 Sugarcubes (see #26), 2 Beatmasters (see #10, #11), 1 Goldfrapp I think :lol:

 

Some more references (spot the indie bands, spot the Kylie references :lol:):

 

#1. - KLF - America: What Time is Love (seee also #7, #8 – 12)

 

#2. - KLF - kylie said to jason (see also #3, #15, #16, #25)

 

#3. Jane – It's A fine Day (note: ATB remix) (see also #5, #25)

 

#4. Mute recording artistees Renegade Soundwave with Probably A Robbery

 

#5. Mute recording artistees Renegade Soundwave with Renegade Soundwave (see also #25)

now who was it whose recent album X used the same Serge Gainsbourg sample

 

#6. Mute recording artistees Laibach with Tanz Mit (see also #7)

 

#7. Rammstein-Amerika (see also #6, #8, #22 - #24)

 

#8. Scooter – Stripped (see also #22 - #24)

 

#9Scooter – Faster Harder Shamen!!!! (see also #10, #11)

 

#10 One Little Indian recording artistees The Shamen – Move Any Mountain Progen 91

 

#11 One Little Indian recording artistees The Shamen - Boss Drum

 

#12 Scooter – Marian (see also #13)

 

#13 Sisters Of Mercy - Marian

 

#14 Sisters Of Mercy - This Corrosion (see also #15 for OTT comparision)

 

#15 Pet Shop Boys - It's a Sin (see also #14 for OTT comparision)

 

#16 Pet Shop Boys - Can You Forgive Her (see also: #17, #21, #22 ,#24 #27 – 30)

 

Colourbox - The Official Colourbox World Cup Theme (see also #16)

#17

 

#18 Factory recording artistees (tho they later signed to EMI) OMD with Genetic Engineering (see #19 – 21)

 

#19 Factory recording artistees (tho they were signed to Warners in America) New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle

 

#20 Factory recording artistees (tho they later signed to EMI and the album came out on Virgin in Germany) Electronic - A Patience of a Saint (see also #15, #16, #24)

 

#21 Factory recording artistees (tho they later signed to EMI) Electronic with Getting Away With It

(see also #15, #16, #24)

 

#22 Mute recording artistees (tho they were signed to Warners in America) Depeche Mode- Enjoy the Silence

 

#23 Mute recording artistees (tho they were signed to Warners in America) Depeche Mode - Never Let Me Down Again

 

#24 Mute recording artistees (tho they were signed to Warners in America) Depeche Mode- "See You"

 

#25 Mute recording artistees Goldfrapp with Utopia (see also #2, #3, #26, #27 - 30)

 

#26 One Little Indian recording artistee bjork with hunter

 

#27 Sparks - My Baby's Taking Me Home

 

#28 Sparks, When Do I Get to Sing My Way?

 

#29 Sparks - Perfume

 

/30 Sparks - Never Turn Your Back On Mother Earth

 

a fantastic innovative new act like Late Of The Pier (who've so far released singles in 5 track EP bundles, so making their digital releases chart ineligible, whilst building up a cult following) are ignored, then the genre is in big trouble.

 

but as a band signed to EMI for the past few releases - you kinda think that releasing chart ineligible singles to build up a following is a bit suspect...and something that would be done to not look like a failure in the pop charts until a big enough splash could be guaranteed - which seemed to be the usual reason why a record came out on download only or was ncq....and you think are people really into LOTP because they are good or because they are the latest hip young things...that the music style gurus have spotted and deemed to be the thing of the month? ...wondering if any one would bother replying to a LOTP thread in 5 years time...what do you think?