no.... ill leave things as they are :)

 

punk rock musically was rubbish, no argument, but it was a tool that effectively kicked british youth culture right up the arse and was responsible for many of the values and fashions we still use today. the punk rock era was arguably THE most important time in pop music history ... imho it finished off the youth revolution the 60's started (which was built on the original youth movement in the 50's).

 

moonloop, you say the english isnt your first language, so assuming you arent english, i doubt that the true impact on social/political levels in youth culture will be the same as it was here in the uk. punk happened here because there was little imagination in music (prog rock for eg...lol), little prospects for youth as employment was hard to come by, punk (although has its roots in america) exploded in the uk because the conditions were right.

 

punk has left its mark on youth culture the way prog rock never did, nor can, ever.

no.... ill leave things as they are :)

 

punk rock musically was rubbish, no argument, but it was a tool that effectively kicked british youth culture right up the arse and was responsible for many of the values and fashions we still use today.

 

indie-pretension perhaps??? :lol: however think the was a case raized to say that most of the important and great music of punk (exception lydon) was actually done by the pub rock crowd...migtht have been in a documentary associated with all the stiff docs

 

 

 

I like progressive rock. I'm not the maniac of this genre tho. Some of my favourite bands are progrock.

Pink Floyd, Marillion (with Fish), Camel, Rush, King Crimson, Porcupine tree (this band is truly great).

And I like a lot of bands which are prog rock related like Tool, Opeth, Dead Can Dance, Riverside...

 

honestly, I don't understand why so many people hate this genre and simultaneously claim to like Pink Floyd. It's like some kind of Schizophrenia :blink:

 

Of course this kind of music require much more involvement from the listener and sometimes you have to listen to the same song several times to fully appreciate it.

I'm also aware that in England this kind of music is very uncool at the moment, but I don't give a s****.

 

And it's definitely not some prehistoric genre from 70's. there is a lot of bands now but they are underground, not in mainstream world. And progressive doesn't mean "complicated" (well maybe a little bit too ;-)) but rather evolving, prog bands nowadays tend to derive influences from other genres.

 

In fact I like this kind of music more than some indie bands which know only four chords and 4/4 rhythmic meter ;-)

I have a question.

Why this thread is in Retro Section?

Prog rock is not some prehistoric genre. I think this thread should be in Rock Section. Even if everybody here doesn't likes such music it is still rock :rolleyes:

Well maybe I'm wrong but please enlighten me ;)

 

yeah!!! shouldnt this thread now be in another place..such as indie alternative and specialist :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

ruddy biscuit ? (don't understand)

I don't know what's wrong with Michael voice, really :blink: ( for me his voice is one of those that you really can feel emotions. I place it with artist like Buckley, Yorke ect..) Do you mean it about his voice in general or this live performance?

In fact I'm not sure if I understand what you wrote ( English is not my native language, sorry). :(

vocals that would make custard curdle at fifty yards? Is it really about Opeth? I disagree here but It woud make more sense If you were talking about Dream Theater :lol: :puke2: (but I do really like their 'Space dye vest' song ;-))

Oh, yeah Script for a Jester's Tear and Fugazi are great albums

 

oh didnt realize that they were both albums by marillion thought you were talking about the other Fugazi in a kind of prod vs hardcore/punk kinda comparision...in record collector (think its v pro-prog as always loads of ads for porcupine tree and that bloke out of japan) there is an interview with the old singler from marillion fish who says that (not surprisingly) genesis selling england by the pound was a big influence on marillion when thay were starting out with him as the lead singer...as he does sound very much like peter gabrielle and i think this is a genesis album when peter gabrielle was on vocals and with fish trying to be gabrielle it is a pity as its not phil collins as someone could have replied with the witty replu that (derek) dick impesonates knob.... as i know how much phil collins is lurved on here :lol:

 

that lavender dilly dilly thing...someone mentioned it on a film i happened to watch the other day - cant remember what it was but i think someone was on the telephone...

 

 

Can someone explain to me what elements make up a 'prog rock' or 'progressive rock' song? I've always been intrigued.

 

Norma

 

on BBC Four they are doing a prog season starting on friday i think....this will give you answers as they will be doing a prog britainia show

indie-pretension perhaps??? :lol: however think the was a case raized to say that most of the important and great music of punk (exception lydon) was actually done by the pub rock crowd...migtht have been in a documentary associated with all the stiff docs

 

So The Buzzcocks, Wire, The Ruts, The Jam, Siouxsie, The Slits, Stiff Little Fingers etc were the "pub rock crowd"! Piffle.

The best thing about punk was the way it mutated into so many different forms as it evolved into post-punk. Something which prog failed to do as it never went anywhere except up its own arse.

So The Buzzcocks, Wire, The Ruts, The Jam, Siouxsie, The Slits, Stiff Little Fingers etc were the "pub rock crowd"! Piffle.

 

wasnt my arguement perhaps a bbc four about stiff like ian dury or love in to Joe Strummer of The 101ers...so cant really say as i dont really know who some of these punk acts are like Stiff Little Fingers - if you played me their record blind wouldnt have a clue so cant really say...apart from that one fact that one of Stiff Little Fingers (i think the drummers) also in the alarm?!?!?

 

Paul Weller on the other hand think has been influenced a lot by wilko johnson of dr feelgood - there was a feelgood track on one of the weller faves cd a while back and he mentioned in them there and i guess if you look at roxette (the dr feelgood song not the swedish pop-rockers who max martin maybe using as a template for ever p!nk record at the moment) yeah does kinda remind you of weller in the jam...

 

 

 

The best thing about punk was the way it mutated into so many different forms as it evolved into post-punk. Something which prog failed to do as it never went anywhere except up its own arse.

 

dont know - listening to the prog show some of the songs were alreight (think caravan who were more folky) but some did bore me as they went on a bit too long and too twidly (also i had come in from drinking several rounds of cider using up the money i didnt spend in the woolies closing down sale - so maybe my mind wasnt in the right place or vibe for prog...maybe i should have had something more chilling or some donking daft clubland scooter album!!! but omg jethro tell were scarey!!! thought it was the cider!!!)...and probs only really appreciated if you could play those instruments...which with some metal may also be a criticism with showboating guitarists....

 

tho maybe there might be a class thing going on a well why people dont like prog...as mike rutherford sounds posher than the queen (making in turn phil collins sound like the artful dodger - that is dicken's not craiiiiiiiig david's :lol: tho a collins remix of re-re-rewind bo selecta would be funny!!)..and so not very cool and i guess another reason to hate this paul carrack collabing evil man of beard!!!

 

(tho the genesis/peter gabriel song they showed not too bad and not surprising that fish did a cover of that genesis tune i think about a lawnmoawer - i guess it would be easy for him!!! and sound just like the original!!!)

 

as for punk people - got a copy of This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get last year in the sale (on a certain proggy hiippy label called virgin...wow man!) which tbh only had one great song - This is Not a Love Song - on it the rest of it was boring...and as dull as you may think prog is....tho if Mew and Secret Machines can be also classed as prog maybe thats not too bad a genre (tho i Secret Machines offshoot the School of Seven Bells will be man context next to cocteau twins type of vibes - they are great even tho my mum thinks they look like a couple of missing corrs family memebers :lol: )

 

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