Posted August 28, 200816 yr British journalism student gang-raped by asylum seekers in Calais squatter camp they call 'The Jungle' ThisisLondon.co.uk at 18:09pm on 28.08.08 A British student has been gang-raped by illegal immigrants in Calais, it has been revealed. The woman was writing a story on asylum seekers for her journalism course when she was attacked, police said. Up to 100 men have been rounded up as potential witnesses to the crime, which is alleged to have taken place in a notorious squatter camp nicknamed 'The Jungle'. Police said the attack was of a particularly 'brutal nature'. The victim is still in Calais. The student was a journalist reporting on illegal immigration from Calais to Britain The victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was described as 'a London student who had travelled to France to highlight problems surrounding clandestine immigration'. A police spokesman added: 'She appeared to be working alone, which was clearly a very dangerous thing to do. 'We fear that the men she was reporting on attacked her in the wood where they were staying.' The woman, who is thought to be in her twenties or early thirties, told locals she wanted to spend time with would-be illegal immigrants who were attempting to reach Britain by stowing away on lorries. The squatter camp is part of a disused an industrial zone called 'The Dunes' and is a short walk from the ferry port. Up to 500 men live there, supported by local charities. Father Jean-Pierre Boutoille, of the refugee charity C’Sur, said: 'There are lots of journalists, including students, who come here to get to the heart of what’s going on, to write reports and produce films. 'When reporters contact us, we always ask to accompany them. We know the refugees as we see them everyday. 'We would never allow a young female adventurer in this wood, especially not at night. 'On Tuesday we did not receive any requests for assistance, and nor did any other charities.' Yesterday some 100 would-be immigrants to Britain were rounded up by a force of French riot police. Most of the men claimed to be from Iraq, Afghanistan or the Middle East, although police believe many were from eastern Europe and the Balkans. One, who asked not to be named, said: 'Yes, I saw a young journalist with a camera. Lots come this way. 'I don’t know who she was exactly, but she was young, perhaps 30, and a student from London. 'The word is that something happened to her in the woods.' In 2005 a gang of immigrants was implicated in the rape of a resident of Oye-Plage, near Calais. Calais became a magnate for immigrants in the late 90s following the opening of the Sangatte Cross Centre, which housed 67000 immigrants over three years. Before its closure in 2002 following an agreement between the French and British governments many tried to jump on to slow-moving trains at the entrance to the Channel Tunnel, or hide inside lorries crossing to Britain on ferries. The election of a new Right Wing council in Calais saw plans to open a Sangatte II abandoned, but would-be immigrants to Britain still arrive by the day. The Home Office said the number of refugees caught entering Britain illegally from Calais has fallen to around 1,500 a year from 10,000 in 2002, when Sangatte closed. With an EU report yesterday reckoning that the UK will overtake Germany & France as the highest populated country in Western Europe, and with the UK already being the most densely populated major country in Europe, do you think Nu Labour's policies on immigration are the right ones or do they need to be a lot more stricter with whom we alllow in to the country?
August 28, 200816 yr said it all along... much , much stricter. ours is only a tiny island, land is precious, the uk population cannot go unchecked. the associated problems on the infrastructure will bring us down.
August 28, 200816 yr Nothing we can do about the surge of Eastern European immigrants because of EU free movement of labour rules even if it is having a bad effect on the infrastructure of this country but we should have a complete ban on all non EU immigration except from countries that are on an official list of countries suffering from genocide at the present time or the person has a minimum of £250,000 to invest in the UK I am not being racist just we are a small country and our infrastructure can only take so much before it starts having a bad effect on the indigenous population
August 28, 200816 yr We are only a small island, we can't cope with the amount of immigration in to this country... We really need stricter guidelines on who is allowed to come in to the country, im not fully sure on how it works etc, but surely only people Born in to the EU should be allowed to move here... or people that would help out our economy... not just more overly poor people that don't do much for the country... Edited August 28, 200816 yr by Jack89
August 29, 200816 yr no we dont have to accept unfetterd immigration... we can change the laws even if it means opting out of europe.
August 29, 200816 yr Nothing we can do about the surge of Eastern European immigrants because of EU free movement of labour rules even if it is having a bad effect on the infrastructure of this country but we should have a complete ban on all non EU immigration except from countries that are on an official list of countries suffering from genocide at the present time or the person has a minimum of £250,000 to invest in the UK I am not being racist just we are a small country and our infrastructure can only take so much before it starts having a bad effect on the indigenous population Hey Craig, how's it going.....? :lol: :lol:
August 29, 200816 yr Hey Craig, how's it going.....? :lol: :lol: LOL it is me not the biggest of kept secrets, I "retired" the old account and made a fresh start under a new identity I could no longer stand idly by and watch Crazy Chris give such a bad name to those of us on the right ;)
August 29, 200816 yr not just more overly poor people that don't do much for the country... Except do all the cr@p jobs that indigenous Brits are too fukkin' BONE IDLE to do..... -_- The vast majority of immigrants are hard-working people who DO contribute to the tax system and the economy... Something that happens in France to some student who doesn't even have the common sense to go into a potentially dangerous situation like this with someone to back her up has really got little to do with immigration in general. It's a crime, an isolated incident and probably could have been prevented with a little forethought and planning, seems to me she didn't actually think about this before going out there, I mean, JEEZ, going on your own????? She probably didn't think she'd get raped, but come on, mugging, robbing....??? Where the hell was she brought up, in a log cabin in the woods????? Or is she Amish???? Being robbed or mugged would certainly be my main concern, and as a woman, she should have the further concern of possible sexual attack, especially given that this is a place she doesn't even know... I dont tend to wander around certain areas of London on my own after dark if I can help it, and these are places that I KNOW... It's a bit like a middle-class, white mummy's boy driving out to Watts or South Central LA to "hang wit' the Homies"....
August 29, 200816 yr I could no longer stand idly by and watch Crazy Chris give such a bad name to those of us on the right ;) Hmmm, unfortunately Crazy Chris is more typical of Right Wing mentality than you are.... :lol:
August 29, 200816 yr Except do all the cr@p jobs that indigenous Brits are too fukkin' BONE IDLE to do..... -_- The vast majority of immigrants are hard-working people who DO contribute to the tax system and the economy... Something that happens in France to some student who doesn't even have the common sense to go into a potentially dangerous situation like this with someone to back her up has really got little to do with immigration in general. It's a crime, an isolated incident and probably could have been prevented with a little forethought and planning, seems to me she didn't actually think about this before going out there, I mean, JEEZ, going on your own????? She probably didn't think she'd get raped, but come on, mugging, robbing....??? Where the hell was she brought up, in a log cabin in the woods????? Or is she Amish???? Being robbed or mugged would certainly be my main concern, and as a woman, she should have the further concern of possible sexual attack, especially given that this is a place she doesn't even know... I dont tend to wander around certain areas of London on my own after dark if I can help it, and these are places that I KNOW... It's a bit like a middle-class, white mummy's boy driving out to Watts or South Central LA to "hang wit' the Homies".... hold on a mo..... HYPOCRIT! you were arguing the toss that women can get as drunk as they want and still shouldnt get raped, YOU were arguing AGAINST my point that people should take responsibility for their actions, now here you are not a week later practically saying 'she deserved it'!!!!! <_< make up your mind exactly about your view on 'personal responsibility' cos atm you are contradicting yourself BIG TIME.
August 29, 200816 yr hold on a mo..... HYPOCRIT! you were arguing the toss that women can get as drunk as they want and still shouldnt get raped, YOU were arguing AGAINST my point that people should take responsibility for their actions, now here you are not a week later practically saying 'she deserved it'!!!!! <_< make up your mind exactly about your view on 'personal responsibility' cos atm you are contradicting yourself BIG TIME. Not at all, going out for a night out on the town or to a nightclub WITH YOUR MATES is about HAVING FUN, you should be able to dress how you please, or get drunk in a relatively familiar environment which is supposed to be about people actually enjoying themselves and not acting like fukkin' animals, in MY particular scene WE (that is Goths, Metallers, Alternative types...) can actually accomplish this.... This girl was on her own someplace she knew nothing about, she went on her own and without any back up... Experienced journos who know the territory would know fine to take either a guide or actually pay someone within the camp to ensure their safety.... You've gotta do your groundwork before going someplace like this.... Nightclub, Dangerous squatter camp... Slightly different environments, we're not talking about "Stringfellows" or "Ministry of Sound" here.... -_- If she's supposed to be a Journalism student, then one would think that she discussed this with her lecturer or academic advisor as most students DO when they are about to embark on a project such as this for University... No way in HELL is any lecturer going to advise her that travelling to a place like this on her own is a good idea, they would've insisted she go with a group, or not at all....
August 29, 200816 yr Not at all, going out for a night out on the town or to a nightclub WITH YOUR MATES is about HAVING FUN, you should be able to dress how you please, or get drunk in a relatively familiar environment which is supposed to be about people actually enjoying themselves and not acting like fukkin' animals, in MY particular scene WE (that is Goths, Metallers, Alternative types...) can actually accomplish this.... This girl was on her own someplace she knew nothing about, she went on her own and without any back up... Experienced journos who know the territory would know fine to take either a guide or actually pay someone within the camp to ensure their safety.... You've gotta do your groundwork before going someplace like this.... Nightclub, Dangerous squatter camp... Slightly different environments.... If she's supposed to be a Journalism student, then one would think that she discussed this with her lecturer or academic advisor as most students DO when they are about to embark on a project such as this for University... No way in HELL is any lecturer going to advise her that travelling to a place like this on her own is a good idea, they would've insisted she go with a group, or not at all.... bollox... its ALL about personal responsibility, that student should be able to go freely into an immigration camp going about her business without being attacked... SAME THING. the facts are that whilst nobody deserves to be attacked, attacks DO happen to anybody who puts themselves at risk be it in an immigration camp or pissed out of your skull on a saturday night. this student was very unfortunate and very naive, exactly that same as any person who dresses like a slag (yes they should be able to but in the real world 'slag' sends out the wrong signal to predatory males) and gets out their head... i wonder whos fault it would be if the situation was reversed and the student was a polish student who wandered into some chavs gang area and got attacked.... i bet you wouldnt be so vocal in your criticism against THAT student <_< , of course, you wouldnt be criticising her at all... its always the english person who is at fault <_<
August 29, 200816 yr bollox... its ALL about personal responsibility, that student should be able to go freely into an immigration camp going about her business without being attacked... SAME THING. the facts are that whilst nobody deserves to be attacked, attacks DO happen to anybody who puts themselves at risk be it in an immigration camp or pissed out of your skull on a saturday night. this student was very unfortunate and very naive, exactly that same as any person who dresses like a slag (yes they should be able to but in the real world 'slag' sends out the wrong signal to predatory males) and gets out their head... i wonder whos fault it would be if the situation was reversed and the student was a polish student who wandered into some chavs gang area and got attacked.... i bet you wouldnt be so vocal in your criticism against THAT student <_< , of course, you wouldnt be criticising her at all... its always the english person who is at fault <_< Sorry, I dont think it's the same thing at all... More often than not, blokes who do this sort of thing spike a girl's drink (FACT), so, the word "pre-meditation" springs to mind, they're is deliberate intent in many cases of "date-rape", of course a lot of "date rape" drugs leave very little trace, but the facts are that it does happen... Bugger all to do with how someone is dressed or even undressed.... I just dont believe for a minute that NO ONE, not her friends, nor her academic tutors, tried to talk her out of this or advise her of the dangers, I just refuse to believe that, I know I would sure as hell try to talk her out of it if I was a friend of hers, and I wouldn't stop until they saw sense... It's not the same thing as a foreigner or some tourist accidentally wandering into the "wrong side of the tracks" unwittingly, you can be in a "good" part of London or Edinburgh and get lost, then literally turn a corner and end up someplace potentially a bit iffy, can happen, why else do so many tourists get mugged or robbed...? It's my understanding that this camp is outside any kind of normal populated area, you dont get there 'by accident'....
August 29, 200816 yr Sorry, I dont think it's the same thing at all... More often than not, blokes who do this sort of thing spike a girl's drink (FACT), so, the word "pre-meditation" springs to mind, they're is deliberate intent in many cases of "date-rape", of course a lot of "date rape" drugs leave very little trace, but the facts are that it does happen... Bugger all to do with how someone is dressed or even undressed.... I just dont believe for a minute that NO ONE, not her friends, nor her academic tutors, tried to talk her out of this or advise her of the dangers, I just refuse to believe that, I know I would sure as hell try to talk her out of it if I was a friend of hers, and I wouldn't stop until they saw sense... It's not the same thing as a foreigner or some tourist accidentally wandering into the "wrong side of the tracks" unwittingly, you can be in a "good" part of London or Edinburgh and get lost, then literally turn a corner and end up someplace potentially a bit iffy, can happen, why else do so many tourists get mugged or robbed...? It's my understanding that this camp is outside any kind of normal populated area, you dont get there 'by accident'.... of course you dont think its the same thing at all, because that would be to admit you were wrong and contradictory. i have no need to defend what ive put in this argument, you have lost it! :P
August 29, 200816 yr Author Sorry, I dont think it's the same thing at all... More often than not, blokes who do this sort of thing spike a girl's drink (FACT), so, the word "pre-meditation" springs to mind, they're is deliberate intent in many cases of "date-rape", of course a lot of "date rape" drugs leave very little trace, but the facts are that it does happen... Bugger all to do with how someone is dressed or even undressed.... I just dont believe for a minute that NO ONE, not her friends, nor her academic tutors, tried to talk her out of this or advise her of the dangers, I just refuse to believe that, I know I would sure as hell try to talk her out of it if I was a friend of hers, and I wouldn't stop until they saw sense... It's not the same thing as a foreigner or some tourist accidentally wandering into the "wrong side of the tracks" unwittingly, you can be in a "good" part of London or Edinburgh and get lost, then literally turn a corner and end up someplace potentially a bit iffy, can happen, why else do so many tourists get mugged or robbed...? It's my understanding that this camp is outside any kind of normal populated area, you dont get there 'by accident'.... Scott, Can I say I am totally shocked by your attitude on this subject, taking into account your opinion on the very similar subject that Rob is refering to. You seem to be implying by your posts in this topic that she asked for the (now established) 10 asylum seekers to hold her down with a knife to her throat & take it and turns to gang rape her. In fact I can say that this is easily in the Top 5 most shocking opinions I have read on this site. If this is your honest opinion then in my humble opinion Rob is 100% spot on & you have lost it BIG BIG TIME on this subject.
August 29, 200816 yr The vast majority of immigrants are hard-working people who DO contribute to the tax system and the economy.. But it has something to do with immigration to the UK, why else are they in this camp................they are only waiting on a lift through the tunnel. These are not the hard working Europeans you keep telling us about. These people have no legal right to come here. The article states they are from the middle east. There is no justification for rape anywhere, whether it be in London or Calais. In a civilised world people should be allowed to go where they want, but obviously these people were not civilised. :angry:
August 30, 200816 yr But it has something to do with immigration to the UK, why else are they in this camp................they are only waiting on a lift through the tunnel. These are not the hard working Europeans you keep telling us about. These people have no legal right to come here. The article states they are from the middle east. this is what irks me about scott... his default setting seems to be 'all immigrants are saintly super-beings of honourable extraction and behavior, its ALWAYS the white englishman who is wrong' . which is pretty racist.
August 30, 200816 yr its ALWAYS the white englishman who is wrong' . which is pretty racist. Er, where in the report does it actually say she's English...? She aint even been named for legal reasons... All I read was "London Student", that means absolutely fukk all.... About 40% of London is NON-English... So stop with all the ridiculous implications of my being "anti-english".. Prat.... <_< I still maintain that in this particular instance, a person (regardless of age, race or gender) has to act responsibly when going to a potentially dangerous, lawless area which is controlled by some pretty hard-core crims... This is NOT a nightclub in the West End, nor is it accidentally ending up in a wrong part of town, you dont reasonably expect to run into these types of people in Ministry of Sound or Stringfellows... From my understanding from another report the attack was led by a suspect (who the police are now after) of Middle East origin, who is known to be a People Trafficker, so we're talking about a pretty nasty individual here, probably with affiliations to organised crime, maybe even the Sexual Slavery racket, maybe even terrorism, who knows...? THESE are the types of incredibly dangerous people you get in these places, they routinely exploit people and probably wouldn't think twice about killing anyone crossing their path. Someone alone with a CAMERA?? Taking PICTURES???? Christ, what do you think these types of scum were gonna do.....? Like I say, it matters not if the person is male of female, it's a pretty foolish thing to do, going in a place like that without backup.... Even the cops dont go in that place without a SWAT team to back them.... Still, maybe some good will come out of it, and it might just inspire the French authorities to authorise a crack down and start busting some criminal heads.... Whenever you see a journalist reporting from somewhere like Afghanistan or Iraq, what you DONT see are the minders, bodyguards, security detail, etc behind the camera assigned to ensure the safety of the journo in question.... Okay, maybe it's a bit silly to expect a student to take a security detail, but I reckon having a few friends around couldn't have hurt.... And it absolutely proves my point about clothing being no kind of factor in rape... Unless you think the lass was wearing a boob-tube, micro-skirt and split-crotch panties while taking her photographs..... Some blokes are just scum who cant control their dicks, end of story.....
August 30, 200816 yr but obviously these people were not civilised. :angry: People Traffickers and the Criminal Underworld tend not to be "civilised" Brian.... -_- These people dont control their "businesses" or their criminal empires by inviting people round for tea and fairy cakes and a "nice chat".... They control it through fear, violence, intimidation and murder.... The main suspect in this investigation is a Middle Eastern People Trafficker, a hard-core crim, NOT an ordinary person..... I mean, sorry mate, but would you go up to a Mafia Don and just start clicking away....? Course not, you'd end up with a camera suppository and a good kicking from his 'heavies'....
August 30, 200816 yr Scott, Can I say I am totally shocked by your attitude on this subject, taking into account your opinion on the very similar subject that Rob is refering to. You seem to be implying by your posts in this topic that she asked for the (now established) 10 asylum seekers to hold her down with a knife to her throat & take it and turns to gang rape her. In fact I can say that this is easily in the Top 5 most shocking opinions I have read on this site. If this is your honest opinion then in my humble opinion Rob is 100% spot on & you have lost it BIG BIG TIME on this subject. Blah, blah, blah.... Whatever dude, I put across my reasoning for my opinion, and I'm certainly NOT going to apologise for it... Like I said, I care not if this individual was a bloke or a girl, they're pretty stupid regardless if they dont listen to their mates or their academic advisor, end of story... Obviously, they dont deserve what happened to them, but, they cant take away responsibility from themselves for putting themselves and others such as the emergency services, who would have to pull their sorry asses out of the fire if it all goes t*ts up, in harm's way... I repeat - this is NOT A WEST END NIGHTCLUB ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, I somehow doubt there's cell phone coverage in this camp, so even calling for help would be a non-starter..... For me this is the same thing as some prat backpacking in the Cocaine fields of Colombia or the Poppy fields of Afghanistan.... Of course NO ONE in their right minds would do either unless they had a bloody deathwish, it's positively DANGEROUS innit.....? :rolleyes: When Morgan Spurlock went out to Afghanistan to shoot his documentary "Where In The World Is Osama Bin Laden", he didn't just head out on his own with a film camera, he took a bloody MARINE detatchment with him (things haven't quite got to the stage in London where clubbers need to take a marine or two with them on a night out :rolleyes: ), the irony is, he was probably in LESS danger from the Afghan peasant villagers he talked to than this girl was from the dangerous thugs in the Calais camp..... So, why just ignore the blatantly obvious dangers just because this happens to be France....? The Cocaine and Poppy fields are controlled by dangerous, murderous thugs who would kill you in a heartbeat, er, how is THAT any different to the sorts of dangerous, murderous thugs who control this camp......? A famous photographer went out to document the lives of rebels in Central America... They actually came back to tell the tale and publish their book.. Why...? Because they had the sense to find a guide and pay the local Generallisimo to ensure their protection....
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