September 12, 200816 yr "normal" and "acceptable" are 2 terms that depend on your culture. What´s acceptable in NY is not acceptable in Saudi Arabia, and vice versa. About the term "natural", I don´t touch it... Do you think that primitive humans, before civilizations started, were waiting until a female was fully *18 years old* or *16 years old* before they tried a sexual intercourse??? You´re bloody dellusional... In nature, mammals start to have sex and reproduce as soon as they past puberty, and *biologically* there´s nothing wrong with it... Don´t demonize me because I don´t go with your politically correct cliches. I´m not touching the subject of homossexuality (a holly untouchable taboo in the politically correct world)... just the fact that biologically, paedophilia is less of a deletery phenomenon then homossexuality. Just like Consie pointed in his self admitted rudimentary argument, the son of a 14 years old girl will have a reduced life expectancy, maybe of about 5 to 10% less? (I´d say that´s an exageration myself...) On the other hand, and homossexual couple would have their expectancy of reproducing reduced in comparison with an heterossexual couple, by a margin of, say... 100% :unsure: lol... of COURSE primitive peoples would bonk anything! regardless of age, that because unlike us, they WERENT civilised! :lol: why dont you touch the word 'natural'?.. you said that paedophillia is more understandable then homosexuality because it shows a natural attraction for the opposite sex. and sex is about reproduction which homosexuals cannot do. yep.. i guess i am baiting you somewhat, i want to know what 'gods' view is on sexuality and try to understand the 2 juxtapose positions. because as i understand it theres a GLAREING contradiction... ie, if god created 'adam and eve, not adam and steve' , ie 2 sexes with sexual reproductive organs , why did he also create/allow homosexuality?.. because no matter how hard christian gays pray god still wont take their homosexuality away.. and i bet a million pounds that its exactly the same for paedos, rapeists, buggers etc.. their sexual leanings also cannot be 'prayed away'.. god DOESNT listen, he WONT 'cure' people with these traits. so whats the answer? either god WANTS/allows 'un natural sex' (that is, any form of sexuality other then straight sex intercourse), or god doesnt care or exist.
September 12, 200816 yr i dont agree with that tbh... as i understand it animals just get randy and 'bonk' anything in sight. as far as i know theres NO homosexual animals...that is... an animal with a sexual attraction for only its own sex. Well actually some species engage in monogamous, exclusively sex-sex relationships. I know this is Wikipedia (not a great source), but see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals
September 13, 200816 yr Well actually some species engage in monogamous, exclusively sex-sex relationships. I know this is Wikipedia (not a great source), but see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals yep, not the best scource for accuracy as anyone can add anything lol. (over here we had a dj on air getting people to add things to his entry). but browsing swiftly (time restrictions) most homosexual activity does appear to be 'just bonking anything' as opposed to strict same sex sex . homosexuality in humans is about 20% (i read somewhere once, though wether this includes bi-sexuality or not ...i dont know). ive never witnessed and homosexual activity in animals so if it exists in the true sense (same sex exclusivity) then its very rare. (ive grown up in the country, birdwatched, and have never seen 'gay mallards' :lol: )
September 13, 200816 yr yep, not the best scource for accuracy as anyone can add anything lol. (over here we had a dj on air getting people to add things to his entry). but browsing swiftly (time restrictions) most homosexual activity does appear to be 'just bonking anything' as opposed to strict same sex sex . homosexuality in humans is about 20% (i read somewhere once, though wether this includes bi-sexuality or not ...i dont know). ive never witnessed and homosexual activity in animals so if it exists in the true sense (same sex exclusivity) then its very rare. (ive grown up in the country, birdwatched, and have never seen 'gay mallards' :lol: ) Well, I´m aware there are serious studies about homossexuality among animals, and if it exists among humans, why wouldn´t it exists among animals the same way? Since most gay people claim not to have chosen their sexual orientation, then the same genetical, hormonal or psicological reasons that cause homossexuality in humans must work the same way in other mammals since we´re very similar. However, I think the statistics of 20% of humans being homossexual is utterly ridiculous, or even 10%, sounds like massive gay propaganda. Many people who are not homossexual have tried some sexual intercourse with someone of the same gender just out of curiosity, or just to "break the laws". Is what we see with american popstars like Britney, Paris, Pink, and the "I Kissed A Girl" song... same sex kissing just out of fun and to cause "shock" in conservative society. But I doubt the amount of people who genuinely feels atracted only or mainly by people of the same sex are anywhere near of reaching 10% of humanity. The thing is, if there is homossexuality among animals, there´s also sex between animals of different species, forced sex, and animals start their sexual life as soon as their insticts tell them to do so. My point is, what is considered "normal" or "acceptable" are concepts developed by our culture, and it varys acording to time/space, it´s not objective truth like 1+1=2. In UK, a 40 years old guy having sex with a 13 year old girl would be considered repugnant... In other cultures, a 13 year old girl is expected to marry, as soon as she passes puberty. So what we consider "paedophilia", they consider normal. These stuff are built by society, it´s the human cultures... Not an objective fact you´ll find researching natural facts.
September 13, 200816 yr In UK, a 40 years old guy having sex with a 13 year old girl would be considered repugnant... In other cultures, a 13 year old girl is expected to marry, as soon as she passes puberty. So what we consider "paedophilia", they consider normal. These stuff are built by society, it´s the human cultures... Not an objective fact you´ll find researching natural facts. I also think that different acts under the same crime have different ethical/moral standings. A 15 year old having consensual sex with a 20 year old is quite different than a 20 year old sexually assaulting a 9 year old. That's why judges or juries choose a measured punishment proportionate to the offense. But unfortunately now, at least in the US, there are all kinds of minimum sentence laws and "zero strikes laws" (meaning first time offense is a huge automatic sentence). So now the justice system probably doesn't work fairly because the young couple in love may end up with the same sentence as a dangerous child rapist. Now this doesn't ALWAYS happen in every case, but it can.
September 14, 200816 yr Well, I´m aware there are serious studies about homossexuality among animals, and if it exists among humans, why wouldn´t it exists among animals the same way? Since most gay people claim not to have chosen their sexual orientation, then the same genetical, hormonal or psicological reasons that cause homossexuality in humans must work the same way in other mammals since we´re very similar. However, I think the statistics of 20% of humans being homossexual is utterly ridiculous, or even 10%, sounds like massive gay propaganda. Many people who are not homossexual have tried some sexual intercourse with someone of the same gender just out of curiosity, or just to "break the laws". Is what we see with american popstars like Britney, Paris, Pink, and the "I Kissed A Girl" song... same sex kissing just out of fun and to cause "shock" in conservative society. But I doubt the amount of people who genuinely feels atracted only or mainly by people of the same sex are anywhere near of reaching 10% of humanity. The thing is, if there is homossexuality among animals, there´s also sex between animals of different species, forced sex, and animals start their sexual life as soon as their insticts tell them to do so. My point is, what is considered "normal" or "acceptable" are concepts developed by our culture, and it varys acording to time/space, it´s not objective truth like 1+1=2. In UK, a 40 years old guy having sex with a 13 year old girl would be considered repugnant... In other cultures, a 13 year old girl is expected to marry, as soon as she passes puberty. So what we consider "paedophilia", they consider normal. These stuff are built by society, it´s the human cultures... Not an objective fact you´ll find researching natural facts. my point here is that we have evolved, developed , away from primitive ways of life. so what other less developed cultures do or did see as 'normal' it simply isnt now. true if nature dictates that a female is old enough to give birth , it could be argued that she is old enough to have sex, age regardless. maybe our 'developed culture' isnt so advanced, maybe we are stretching childhood beyond its natural limits, maybe our culture is wrong as in the past childhood didnt last as long, kids grew up quicker. however... you still hant answered my question... if homosexuality is 'against gods creation', ie un natural to how the human speciese was designed.... how come homosexual christians cannot be changed by prayer, no matter how earnest they pray? either god accepts homosexuality as 'normal/natural' or he isnt listening/doesnt care/doesnt exist.... please address this :)
September 16, 200816 yr however... you still hant answered my question... if homosexuality is 'against gods creation', ie un natural to how the human speciese was designed.... how come homosexual christians cannot be changed by prayer, no matter how earnest they pray? either god accepts homosexuality as 'normal/natural' or he isnt listening/doesnt care/doesnt exist.... please address this :) .... still waiting...<_< plus.... thinking about this... homosexuality MUST be 'natural', otherwise it would have evolved out into extinction!
October 4, 200816 yr i dont agree with that tbh... as i understand it animals just get randy and 'bonk' anything in sight. as far as i know theres NO homosexual animals...that is... an animal with a sexual attraction for only its own sex. You cant possibly say that for sure though Rob... Especially in the higher animal species such as dolphins who are considerably more intelligent than your average cow or sheep.... Actually, what you're effectively saying here in a roundabout sort of way is that the natural sexual state is BI-Sexuality.... :P :lol:
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