September 17, 200816 yr Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:43 UK UK unemployment total rises again BBC News Redundant workers leave an Electrolux plant in Spennymoor last December after its closure was announced More workers are likely to lose their jobs this year The number of people out of work in the UK rose by another 81,000 between May and July, to 1.72 million, according to government figures. That took the official unemployment rate up from 5.3% to 5.5%. The number of people claiming jobseeker's allowance also rose, by 32,500 to 904,900 in August, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said. In a further sign of the economic slowdown, the number of people in work and the number of vacancies both fell. So effectively the number of people officially out of work has risen by over 110,000 in a month to over 2.62 million, what do ou think can be done to reduce this figure? pretty obvious really, shut the doors, send back any immigrants not working and encourage our unemployed (most of which are not idle bstrds but want to work), back to work. its bizarre that we have so many unemployed yet still will employ foreigners.
September 17, 200816 yr I say send all the immigrants back to where they came from, and it be last crowded That includes the Minogues and Madonna
September 17, 200816 yr pretty obvious really, shut the doors, send back any immigrants not working and encourage our unemployed (most of which are not idle bstrds but want to work), back to work. its bizarre that we have so many unemployed yet still will employ foreigners. Surely you should employ the best candidate for the job?
September 17, 200816 yr Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:43 UK UK unemployment total rises again BBC News Redundant workers leave an Electrolux plant in Spennymoor last December after its closure was announced More workers are likely to lose their jobs this year The number of people out of work in the UK rose by another 81,000 between May and July, to 1.72 million, according to government figures. That took the official unemployment rate up from 5.3% to 5.5%. The number of people claiming jobseeker's allowance also rose, by 32,500 to 904,900 in August, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said. In a further sign of the economic slowdown, the number of people in work and the number of vacancies both fell. So effectively the number of people officially out of work has risen by over 110,000 in a month to over 2.62 million, what do ou think can be done to reduce this figure? No, the 904,900 people claiming benefit are included in the 1.72m out of work. Edited September 17, 200816 yr by Suedehead2
September 17, 200816 yr Author No, the 904,900 people claiming benefit are included in the 1.72m out of work. :rolleyes: So why has the current Shadow Home Secretary is Conservative MP Dominic Grieve this afternoon been on Radio 5 Live going on about the effective unemployment figure having risen to over 2.6 million then! <_< Answer: Because people seeking job seekers allowance are not included in the headline unemployment figure. I should know as I have a good friend & neighbour who has very recently been in that situation.
September 17, 200816 yr Surely you should employ the best candidate for the job? nope... lets use POSITIVE discrimination, the jobs should go to uk residents over foreigners. its barmy to pay people to sit on their arses and employ imigrants.
September 17, 200816 yr nope... lets use POSITIVE discrimination, the jobs should go to uk residents over foreigners. its barmy to pay people to sit on their arses and employ imigrants. But surely now, in these times where many business are going under and having to cut costs, it's now more crucial than ever to employ the most able candidate that has applied for your job, and not choose someone based on where they're origianally from. And where do we start? Do we just simply stop and more people coming in (a 'one in, one out' system)? Or do we go further and start to deport people who are already here? Or, why shouldn't more people just migrate? If people really are THAT badly off and can't get a job why don't they move to a country where they can get one, where they can better their current living standards and where they can further themselves? Afterall that's exactly what the vast majority of migrants to Britain have done and they have a vast array of European countries to choose from! Edited September 17, 200816 yr by RabbitFurCoat
September 18, 200816 yr But surely now, in these times where many business are going under and having to cut costs, it's now more crucial than ever to employ the most able candidate that has applied for your job, and not choose someone based on where they're origianally from. And where do we start? Do we just simply stop and more people coming in (a 'one in, one out' system)? Or do we go further and start to deport people who are already here? Or, why shouldn't more people just migrate? If people really are THAT badly off and can't get a job why don't they move to a country where they can get one, where they can better their current living standards and where they can further themselves? Afterall that's exactly what the vast majority of migrants to Britain have done and they have a vast array of European countries to choose from! we should close the doors and encourage those here who only came to work, to return. there has to be a maximun population that this island can sustain, that should be the limit. it will be utterly ridiculous to leave the doors perminantly open, unless the eu poors loads of extra money into this country to help us accomodate this huge migration. as it is, it is unsustainable.
September 18, 200816 yr pretty obvious really, shut the doors, send back any immigrants not working and encourage our unemployed (most of which are not idle bstrds but want to work), back to work. its bizarre that we have so many unemployed yet still will employ foreigners. That's because foreigners are willing to work and are willing to make something out of themselves where as most British Citizens (not me) whinge about foreigners taking all the jobs blah blah blah. They don't even get off their arses at home and they will happily claim benefits. Anyway most foreigns have crappy jobs such as working in starbucks and handing out the metro (I don't know if they get paid) There are loads of British Citizens living abroad - maybe we should stop them from moving out of this country.
September 18, 200816 yr That's because foreigners are willing to work and are willing to make something out of themselves where as most British Citizens (not me) whinge about foreigners taking all the jobs blah blah blah. They don't even get off their arses at home and they will happily claim benefits. Anyway most foreigns have crappy jobs such as working in starbucks and handing out the metro (I don't know if they get paid) There are loads of British Citizens living abroad - maybe we should stop them from moving out of this country. but you are believing scotts theory that ALL immigrants are hard working, consciencious superbeings.. THEY ARNT! some are cowboys, some are scroungers deliberately screwing us for what they can get, but besides that, jobs should go to natural born brits first... its OUR country. brits living abroad isnt an issue, theres very few leaving in comparison to even the official statistics, lord knows how many 'unknowns' are here...
September 19, 200816 yr oh never mind i'll say it when i make more sense. Edited September 19, 200816 yr by Lyricaldreamer
September 19, 200816 yr I love it how all people in here go on about it like getting is so easy :( I've been trying and have had no luck yet :(
September 20, 200816 yr Most of the Migrants from eastern Europe are heading back either back home or going to other EU states so i dont see the problem really, i predict the population will remain the same or go up just slighty over the next 30 yrs or so. Plus Scotland NEEDS immigration, the country has had an declining population for over 20 yrs and needs fresh blood for the economy to survive. As for the rise in unemployment well thats one of the reasons why the Polish are heading back as the Polish economy is booming and ours will be in the doldrums for the next few years.
October 4, 200816 yr Every one of us is descended from immigrants - why was it ok then? Yep, That's correct.. I know I am... I'm descended from Irish stock - as a HUGE amount of people in Scotland, London and the North of England are - who fled the potato famine and extreme poverty in Ireland (both of which were as a result of the policies of the ENGLISH, Imperialistic state it has to be said, but that's another story :lol: )... So for me to turn round and then say to other poor and desperate people, no you cant settle here would be rather disingenuous tbh.... My only caveat is that they work for a living and not sponge off the state (like a great many of our OWN scummy chavs and layabouts do, perhaps if they did actually get off their arses and worked in the first place, then we perhaps wouldn't have needed as many immigrants to do the work these maggots feel that they're somehow 'above' doing....), I'd agree that if you dont have a job and contribute to the tax/ni system then perhaps you should look elsewhere, but folks who DO contribute for upwards of 5, 10 years or so, or should certainly get JSA if they happen to find themselves out of work or businesses failing through no fault of their own, you cant just banish people when times are a bit hard, that's inhumane and treating people like they're disposable; the current problems in the financial sector with people playing fast and loose in the markets have occurred partly as a result of this attitude if you ask me, people being thought of as collateral or disposable, just a statistic as opposed to a real person, with feelings, a family, a job, hopes for the future.... We should certainly limit the amount of non-EU people coming in though, the problems that have occurred in our society are not as a consequence of the EE countries which are now part of the EU (such as Poland or Czech Republic), they've come about through sources such as the Russian Mafia (Russia being NON-EU....), Somalian criminal gangs and Saudi Wahabiist extremists such as Abu Hamza infiltrating UK mosques and radicalising young, british-born Muslims, I'd have no issues with the authorities chucking these sorts of scum out of our country whatsoever (not that I'm exactly holding my breath on the "chucking out the Saudis" front seeing as how OUR Govt is actually in bed with the fanatical Wahabbi Islamic extremists who run that country... <_< ), but leave the ordinary, hard-working folks who make up the VAST MAJORITY alone....
October 4, 200816 yr but you are believing scotts theory that ALL immigrants are hard working, consciencious superbeings.. THEY ARNT! some are cowboys, some are scroungers deliberately screwing us for what they can get, but besides that, jobs should go to natural born brits first... its OUR country. brits living abroad isnt an issue, theres very few leaving in comparison to even the official statistics, lord knows how many 'unknowns' are here... Are you siggesting all British people are hard-working consciensious superbeings? :lol: Some are cowboys and some are scroungers deliberately screwing us for what they can get. In the interest of OUR country, I believe we should accept the principles of global capitalism and accept that some 'foreigners' are more valuable than the natives.
October 4, 200816 yr but you are believing scotts theory that ALL immigrants are hard working, consciencious superbeings.. THEY ARNT! some are cowboys, some are scroungers deliberately screwing us for what they can get, but besides that, jobs should go to natural born brits first... its OUR country. What a load or cr@p... In the first place, you're assuming that many employers out there can actually find natural born Brits to do a lot of these jobs in the first place... Look at the profession of Traffic Warden for example... Virtually no "natural born" Brit will do that job - wanna know why...? Because of how Traffic Wardens are generally viewed by the vast majority of the UK public.... Really, a traffic warden rates somewhere between a Paedophile and an Estate Agent on the scale of "People Brits Love to Hate".... Would YOU be a traffic warden...? There are many such professions that "natural born" Brits feel that they are somehow superior to, and employers find it incredibly hard to fill these positions with people from the UK, even second or third generation kids from immigrant parents or grandparents dont particularly wanna do those jobs (even though, it's these sorts of jobs their parents or grandparents did for the most part when they came over in the 50s and 60s).... I never said that all immigrants were superbeings, but I look at my own experiences of having work done around various flats I've been in, and frankly the poorest attitudes and worst standards of work came from the "natural born" Brits, sometimes not even bothering to turn up for jobs they'd agreed to do and frankly wasting my time... Never had any problems with immigrant guys or indeed gals, extremely polite, did the job quick and well, no messing, whether it be the Arabic plumber who fixed my shower when the "natural born" Brits who didn't even bloody show up for the job they said they'd do, or the two Australian geezers who helped me move house in about 90 minutes flat..... I go from my own experiences mate, and my own experiences of immigrant workers and working with immigrants no matter where they come from, has been overwhelmingly positive..... And most actual employers themselves out there would actually agree with everything I've just said....
October 4, 200816 yr Are you siggesting all British people are hard-working consciensious superbeings? :lol: Some are cowboys and some are scroungers deliberately screwing us for what they can get. In the interest of OUR country, I believe we should accept the principles of global capitalism and accept that some 'foreigners' are more valuable than the natives. Not sure about accepting the principles of Global Capitalism mate (seeing as how it's Global Capitalism and being so tied in with the bloody American model that's gotten us in the mess we're in now if you ask me, but that's for another thread...), but the rest I totally agree with.... Frankly, if it were up to me, I'd sooner chuck out ALL the bloody verminous Chavs, regardless of their nationality whether indigenous or immigrant, stick them on some "Lost"-style Island somewhere, let the buggers fend for themselves..... :lol: Why should we keep ANY of 'em....? They contribute nothing to society other than knife crime and feral offspring..... :lol:
October 4, 200816 yr Author Not sure about accepting the principles of Global Capitalism mate (seeing as how it's Global Capitalism and being so tied in with the bloody American model that's gotten us in the mess we're in now if you ask me, but that's for another thread...), but the rest I totally agree with.... Frankly, if it were up to me, I'd sooner chuck out ALL the bloody verminous Chavs, regardless of their nationality whether indigenous or immigrant, stick them on some "Lost"-style Island somewhere, let the buggers fend for themselves..... :lol: Why should we keep ANY of 'em....? They contribute nothing to society other than knife crime and feral offspring..... :lol: It's great to have you back. :lol:
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