Some people have not worked for years or in some cases have never worked, and have no intention of doing so. Is it right that the taxpayer should continue to fund this, when the money could be better spent on fighting crime,security, health or education. :angry:

 

I am excluding the people on disability, although that is possibly another question.

Absolutely

 

They should bring in Workfare like they have in USA and Australia where those out of work have to do work for their benefits

 

There is no excuse for any able bodied person to be out of work in this day and age

 

 

Certainly would seem to make sense to make some use of free time, go on training, do something to keep fit, meet other people in same situation etc.

 

Not sure it should be employment otherwise some might see this as a side step to having cheap labour.

Say every able person had to be a dustman. Ignoring all the inability that benifit people would have with that, they would in effect be making existing dustbin unemployed.

 

Solution I believe is re-skilling these people and that means making the benefit dependant on turning up to some re-education classes etc.

Certainly would seem to make sense to make some use of free time, go on training, do something to keep fit, meet other people in same situation etc.

 

Not sure it should be employment otherwise some might see this as a side step to having cheap labour.

Say every able person had to be a dustman. Ignoring all the inability that benifit people would have with that, they would in effect be making existing dustbin unemployed.

 

Solution I believe is re-skilling these people and that means making the benefit dependant on turning up to some re-education classes etc.

 

Yeah I didn't mean actual paid work that others could be doing I meant stuff like voluntary work, charity work, looking after the elderly, clearing up litter in parks and by canals etc, just general stuff that gets them out of the house and gives them a contribution in society and a bit of self discipline

Yeah I didn't mean actual paid work that others could be doing I meant stuff like voluntary work, charity work, looking after the elderly, clearing up litter in parks and by canals etc, just general stuff that gets them out of the house and gives them a contribution in society and a bit of self discipline

Yea, but whatever you give them to do, someone actually gets paid to do it.

All those things you say people get paid to do, even the so called 'volantary work'.

Also it wouldn't be good having people in a charity shop that didn't want to be there. I believe these people should only be working where they want to...and as most of them don't want to, then the alternative should be sat in a classroom getting bored. So eventually that don't want to get bored and are willing to do something.

That is much perferable to them at home watching the sport on TV imho.

I believe that unemployed people should perhaps have to enter into Training, vocational or eduational programmes, but of course things like this have already been done (Employment Training, Training for Work, YTS, City and Guilds, etc; they work for some but not all). I believe that people should be given some kind of financial incentive for doing so (say £20 a week on top of existing benefits...) for entering into these programmes. But there should at least be a fair chance of a proper job at the end of it, otherwise it's worthless. And it should not be done on the cheap as the previous Tory Govt tried to do with things like TFW and YTS...

 

 

I believe that unemployed people should perhaps have to enter into Training, vocational or eduational programmes, but of course things like this have already been done (Employment Training, Training for Work, YTS, City and Guilds, etc; they work for some but not all). I believe that people should be given some kind of financial incentive for doing so (say £20 a week on top of existing benefits...) for entering into these programmes. But there should at least be a fair chance of a proper job at the end of it, otherwise it's worthless. And it should not be done on the cheap as the previous Tory Govt tried to do with things like TFW and YTS...

 

I still think a lot don't want to work though

 

Yesterday I fancied a Subway for lunch so drove into town and in the walk between the car park and Subway I passed no fewer than 5 shops advertising for staff

 

My local paper has 4 pages of vacancies, there are jobs about but the attitude seems to be "I am getting 50 quid a week off Blair so why should I bother working when I can watch tv all day ?" and that sadly reflects a lot about British society

 

I think for a single person with no dependents who lives at home with his parents or whatever that benefit should be reduced to 20-25 a week maximum and then I bet he will find a job pretty quick as he has lost his little comfort zone, its absurd paying someone 50 quid a week to sit on his ass all day doing nothing

Edited June 7, 200619 yr by Ozzy Osbourne

 

 

"I am getting 50 quid a week off Blair so why should I bother working when I can watch tv all day ?" and that sadly reflects a lot about British society

 

 

Speaking as someone who was unemployed for a while (quite a while back now....), saying that people are actually happy to live on a measly £50 quid a week is a bit silly to be honest, I was certainly never happy to do that... The problem is, when you look at some of these jobs, the wages are totally p***-poor (you cant realistically live off minimum wage in places like London, Edinburgh or Manchester where rents and council taxes are utterly exorbitant...).

 

Speaking as someone who was unemployed for a while (quite a while back now....), saying that people are actually happy to live on a measly £50 quid a week is a bit silly to be honest, I was certainly never happy to do that... The problem is, when you look at some of these jobs, the wages are totally p***-poor (you cant realistically live off minimum wage in places like London, Edinburgh or Manchester where rents and council taxes are utterly exorbitant...).

 

Yeah but what about self respect Scott, where is the self respect in sitting at home watching Trisha/Jeremy Kyle and Big Brother all day ? I am not in that situation but if I was I would rather be doing something and getting paid for it at the end of the week than doing nothing and getting paid for it, being out of work would do my head in and I can't understand why anyone would want to be out of work voluntarily

 

A job of 40 hrs a week in McDonalds will pay £200 whereas benefits are about £50 something a week for a single guy with no dependents, with the McDonalds job you get 4 times the money and the self respect in knowing that you are making a contribution to society

 

Benefits should be a temporary safety net for people going through hard times it should not be a way of life

Yeah but what about self respect Scott, where is the self respect in sitting at home watching Trisha/Jeremy Kyle and Big Brother all day ? I am not in that situation but if I was I would rather be doing something and getting paid for it at the end of the week than doing nothing and getting paid for it, being out of work would do my head in and I can't understand why anyone would want to be out of work voluntarily

 

A job of 40 hrs a week in McDonalds will pay £200 whereas benefits are about £50 something a week for a single guy with no dependents, with the McDonalds job you get 4 times the money and the self respect in knowing that you are making a contribution to society

 

Benefits should be a temporary safety net for people going through hard times it should not be a way of life

 

It sounds to me like you're making excuses for these big corporations to pay their employees total peanuts and treat them like dogsh!t, where's the 'self respect' in that...? Sorry mate, I think people deserve better than that, especially when the likes of McDonalds and Starbucks get gigantic tax breaks and make millions and millions in profits every year. Granted, with your local independant Coffee shop or greasy spoon cafe, you can make a legit case for these not paying much above min. wage, but for the corporations there is no excuse, apart from greed that is....

It sounds to me like you're making excuses for these big corporations to pay their employees total peanuts and treat them like dogsh!t, where's the 'self respect' in that...? Sorry mate, I think people deserve better than that, especially when the likes of McDonalds and Starbucks get gigantic tax breaks and make millions and millions in profits every year. Granted, with your local independant Coffee shop or greasy spoon cafe, you can make a legit case for these not paying much above min. wage, but for the corporations there is no excuse, apart from greed that is....

 

however lots of these macdonnald and co will be independent franchizes who have to pay the corps to use their brands. thats why theres so many subways about as the bloke gets bennifits for signing up more people to run stores

Some people have not worked for years or in some cases have never worked, and have no intention of doing so. Is it right that the taxpayer should continue to fund this, when the money could be better spent on fighting crime,security, health or education. :angry:

 

I am excluding the people on disability, although that is possibly another question.

People can fake dissabilities and if they wanna be skank bast*rds then we should laugh at them :D

You know something? You're all right.

 

I'm being made redundant at the end of June. I haven't found another job yet. I've been applying for them and have been going to interviews, but haven't actually got a new job yet.

 

And i'm scared.

 

I don't want to work in MacDonalds, thanks. In terms of respect - I got respect - I don't believe people who work in MacDonalds actually do get any respect. Not from the general public nor MacDonalds. I ain't working there.

 

I don't really want to go on the dole. £57 (it is actually lol) is NOT enough per 2 weeks.. yes 2 WEEKS... that's just RUBBISH!!!!

 

However, I feel I may have to. It will be temporary, until I can actually get another job. I don;t know what's wrong, am I just not liked *SOB!*

 

You know something? You're all right.

 

I'm being made redundant at the end of June. I haven't found another job yet. I've been applying for them and have been going to interviews, but haven't actually got a new job yet.

 

And i'm scared.

 

I don't want to work in MacDonalds, thanks. In terms of respect - I got respect - I don't believe people who work in MacDonalds actually do get any respect. Not from the general public nor MacDonalds. I ain't working there.

 

I don't really want to go on the dole. £57 (it is actually lol) is NOT enough per 2 weeks.. yes 2 WEEKS... that's just RUBBISH!!!!

 

However, I feel I may have to. It will be temporary, until I can actually get another job. I don;t know what's wrong, am I just not liked *SOB!*

 

Ah but my point was not against people like you who work and lose their job, it was against the people who don't want to work.

 

I hope you get a new job soon,best of luck. :)

Was made redundent about a month ago now, applied at a few places, but havent found a job yet, its a tough job world nowadays, especially as companies dont give youngsters a chance(im 22). Ive joined an IT agency, so hopefully a job will come along soon enough, but im $h!tting myself about how long it take to find a job? 3 months? 6 months? a year?.

I hate this attitute of the right wing press that the unemployed are scum, when 90% want to work, but believe it or not, want a good job & dont wanna work for £5.50 a week :cry: <_<

Was made redundent about a month ago now, applied at a few places, but havent found a job yet, its a tough job world nowadays, especially as companies dont give youngsters a chance(im 22). Ive joined an IT agency, so hopefully a job will come along soon enough, but im $h!tting myself about how long it take to find a job? 3 months? 6 months? a year?.

I hate this attitute of the right wing press that the unemployed are scum, when 90% want to work, but believe it or not, want a good job & dont wanna work for £5.50 a week :cry: <_<

 

You spoiled it with that last bit

 

Too many people have delusions of grandeur and think just because they have a degree that anything beneath chairman of BT is not good enough for them whereas those that are out of work have an obligation and a moral duty to take ANYTHING even if its a lowly job like washing dishes or refuse collection or whatever, I don't see why as a 40% taxpayer I should have to subsidise benefits for people that do not want to work for £5.50 an hour, they should take that £5.50 an hour job regardless of what qualifications they have etc as people in society have a moral obligation to put something into society by working as opposed to take take take

 

Those that are out of work should take any job regardless of how good or bad it is as it means they are no longer a burden on the taxpayer

Actually, I agree with Joey. I'm young (26) and I have qualifications that far outweigh a £5.50 ph job, thanks. I didn't sweat it at uni for nothing, thanks. What was the point of that?

 

I DO agree with your belief that beggers can't be choosers, but coming from a £23k job to not being able to get anything takes some getting used to, and as stubborn as it sounds, I aint backing down from the wage I'm used to.

 

Sounds selfish, I know.

 

9 times out of 10 though, it's not YOU that isn't good enough to get the job, it's the elitist industries that look down on you. I work in the world of Libraries and Archives, and it's very snobby. It's hard, depressing, and tiresome being constantly turned down because you are young.

 

But, I do it for the job. I love the line of work i'm in. It took a lot of bloody hard work to get where I am and I'm sorry, but I'm not getting a £5.50 ph job for all the c**p I went through.

 

 

Actually, I agree with Joey. I'm young (26) and I have qualifications that far outweigh a £5.50 ph job, thanks. I didn't sweat it at uni for nothing, thanks. What was the point of that?

 

I DO agree with your belief that beggers can't be choosers, but coming from a £23k job to not being able to get anything takes some getting used to, and as stubborn as it sounds, I aint backing down from the wage I'm used to.

 

Sounds selfish, I know.

 

9 times out of 10 though, it's not YOU that isn't good enough to get the job, it's the elitist industries that look down on you. I work in the world of Libraries and Archives, and it's very snobby. It's hard, depressing, and tiresome being constantly turned down because you are young.

 

But, I do it for the job. I love the line of work i'm in. It took a lot of bloody hard work to get where I am and I'm sorry, but I'm not getting a £5.50 ph job for all the c**p I went through.

 

While I am not taking a dig at you I have to say that I think it is selfish

 

Are you getting £23k a year if you sign on ? nope it is nearer £2.3k so signing on will get you £50 or so a week whereas working 40 hrs a week at McDonalds for £5.50 an hour will get you after tax about £200 spending money, ANY job is worth it as a stepping stone, while you are serving in Subway or flipping burgers in McDonalds look for a different job in between shifts but at least you have something to fall back on in the mean time until the job you desire comes up

 

I work in the recruitment industry (currently subcontracted to the civil service but spent years in private industry) and there is a very big stigma in industry about people that are out of work so trust me working in McDonalds till something better comes up looks a damn slight better on a CV and shows a "can do" attitude to employers than signing on and spending days watching Trisha and Jeremy Kyle

 

As the saying goes "beggars can't be choosers"

 

 

I earn near on twice that £23k and if it all went pear shaped tomorrow and I lost my employment I would not hesitate to take ANY job until I got myself back on my feet again even if it meant working at McDonalds

 

Being out of work gnaws away at people's self respect and self worth etc and I refuse to be put in that position if god forbid I lost my job, at least working in McDonalds I would be earning enough to pay some of my bills and have enough for a couple of curry's a week and I would not get in the black hole of wasting away doing nothing which would be the case if I signed on

Ok, a few points:

 

1/ I know it's a selfish view. I admitted so myself!

2/ You must be loaded. lol.

3/ Why do you assume all people out of work sit at home all day "in the black hole of wasting away doing nothing" and spend their days "watching Trisha and Jeremy Kyle?"

 

When I found myself out of work straight after coming out of uni - no experience of the career I wanted to get into I didn't do that. I went and did voluntary work while looking for a job.