Posted June 7, 200619 yr General Music pop fans!!! Is all that Punk stuff overrated? do tv and radio and magazines go on about it too much. should there be more documentaries about other stuff? in uncut magazine last month 68% said Punk was overrated, 32% said it wasnt would be nice to think what people here think (and not the punk, metal fans in that area, as that would be too biased wouldnt it :lol: :lol: )
June 7, 200619 yr depends upon what version of 'punk' you are talking about... modern punk is nothing more then punk style pop.. real punk if anything is hugely underrated as a cultural phenomena, as most of todays fashions,attitudes, art, social values, besides music have been very heavily influenced by real punk. the fashions i see today, be it hairstyles or clothing are practically all punk derived.
June 7, 200619 yr depends upon what version of 'punk' you are talking about... modern punk is nothing more then punk style pop.. real punk if anything is hugely underrated as a cultural phenomena, as most of todays fashions,attitudes, art, social values, besides music have been very heavily influenced by real punk. the fashions i see today, be it hairstyles or clothing are practically all punk derived. Exactly. Define what is actually meant by 'Punk'.... The "Yankee Pop Punk" of the likes of Blink 182, Offspring, Sum 41, NOFX, Green Day, etc, definitely.... The real Punk of The Sex Pistols, The Clash, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Anti Flag, Siouxsie, etc, definitely NOT.... Who's asking the question? Uncut Magazine?? They're so full of sh!t it's unreal..... :lol:
June 7, 200619 yr Exactly. Define what is actually meant by 'Punk'.... The "Yankee Pop Punk" of the likes of Blink 182, Offspring, Sum 41, NOFX, Green Day, etc, definitely.... The real Punk of The Sex Pistols, The Clash, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Anti Flag, Siouxsie, etc, definitely NOT.... I agree with the above, although every time Malcolm McLaren speaks about the Punk movement he devalues it IMHO.
June 7, 200619 yr A lot of 70s Punk was badly played & sung Rock & Roll mixed with white noise /feedback & swear words. At the time the music shocked older people & a lot of the the lyrics were about the bad state of the country back then. The Sex Pistols stuff seems quite tame when its played nowadays but at the time was meant to shock.
June 8, 200619 yr A lot of 70s Punk was badly played & sung Rock & Roll mixed with white noise /feedback & swear words. At the time the music shocked older people & a lot of the the lyrics were about the bad state of the country back then. The Sex Pistols stuff seems quite tame when its played nowadays but at the time was meant to shock. nobody claimed that punk was musically good, it was though the basic message of punk which was 'think for yourself, do it yourself, free thinking....'.... its this core idea that gave birth to so much creativity.
June 8, 200619 yr A lot of 70s Punk was badly played & sung Rock & Roll mixed with white noise /feedback & swear words. That's an incredibly simplistic view of Punk Rock... Punk was a direct response to the pretentious, smug and overly musical Prog Rock. If you want to do something in opposition to pretentious, tedious, OTT sh!te like Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Genesis or Yes, then you do something that's raw, exciting, dirty and a bit musically undisciplined.... Hence Punk. And thank fukk for it as far as I'm concerned..... No Punk, no Indie movement, simple as...
June 8, 200619 yr Author nobody claimed that punk was musically good, it was though the basic message of punk which was 'think for yourself, do it yourself, free thinking....'.... its this core idea that gave birth to so much creativity. In the Independent the other week the argument was something like "is Pop idol/x-factor and it's have a go mentality the only true successor to the spirit of punk"?
June 8, 200619 yr Although I'm not a punk fan, I think it's no more overrated than all the Boyband and Urban stuff over the last few years.
June 8, 200619 yr In the Independent the other week the argument was something like "is Pop idol/x-factor and it's have a go mentality the only true successor to the spirit of punk"? that connection would be hugely tenuous!...lol... i think gareth gates hairstyle owed more to punk then the fact that this karaoke artist actually did it himself! im thinking that theres not many people under the age of about 25 that can fully comprehend the impact of punk (without some boring old git lecturing them....lol). and i dont think that pop fans, dance fans or ballad lovers could really give a sh!t either way as they were areas that punk barely touched. (mind you it could be argued that the electronic sounds of the early 80's were as a direct consequence of 'punk', and therefore evolved and morphed into the mainly electronic dance sounds of the past decade or so..)
June 8, 200619 yr In the Independent the other week the argument was something like "is Pop idol/x-factor and it's have a go mentality the only true successor to the spirit of punk"? I've heard this argument, but it's a load of utter bollocks. Your average Punk Rocker was sick of society and wanted to change it, or at the very least reject society's hypocritical "values"; there was a political and ideological agenda in Punk, this is totally non-existant in the Pop Idol/X-Factor which is merely and extention of Karaoke, and has about as much artistic merit... I would say the original Techno pioneers were more in tune with the punk ethos, because they too rejected society's values with the whole Rave scene and there was a bit of a DIY ethic about it as well, cos most of them were doing their music in their basements or bedrooms and self-distributing it on white labels; definitely a grass roots movement. Which of course, with crushing inevitability, the music press and the corporations totally and utterly co-opted into the mainstream and dumbed down....
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