I don't understand you, JJN. You show up in this forum about once a month to throw in the odd "pedophilia is more normal than homosexuality" or "most gay people don't like football" or something similar and then you're shocked by all the "PC idiots" who are offended. Can't you take a hint? You're being offensive. You're not looking for a serious discussion, you just like rustling feathers (making people upset). Honestly it's trolling at this point.

 

 

I think, honestly, reading between the lines, JJN is actually probably a repressed homosexual who simply cannot accept that they have these feelings so kicks against them again and again - most straight guys in 2008, whether they live in modern-thinking Europe and America or somewhere still rather behind the sexual times like Brazil.... they don't give a flying toss about someone's sexuality. Most educated people comfortable with their own sexuality are "live and let live" and actually think having a gay friend is a cool thing to have, that visiting a gay club is ok, actually.

 

No real straight guy, unless they're retarded, (or Philip Scolari - same difference, surely?), would be as offensive as JJN, because the gay thing just doesn't mean that much to them - why would it? I don't spend my life ridiculing and belittling straight people.... why would I? It's not like I feel threatened by them in any way. They exist, get used to it, so what?

I do think it's being overly PC to take offence at someone saying a majority of gay people aren't that into football. That is pretty much a fact.

 

However, what I do take issue with is JJN's opinion that, because there are probably so few gay footballers, that automatically means they should not be allowed to come out. Just because they're a minority, why should they lose their rights? I am also incredibly offended by the suggestion that a gay man wouldn't be able to control themselves in the presence of other naked men.

you also live in a country that is universally known as incredibly backward and in the dark ages as far as homosexuality is concerned - as you yourelf prove here time and time and time agan with your homophobbic rantings.

Bull$h!t... doesn´t deserve answear.

 

Thinking things are homophobic means we have self-esteem issues? Err...I belive it's you who lives your life by a Bible, live your life by someoneelse's rules and commands - surely the biggest indication, if there were any needed, that it's actually you who has no self esteem. Or self worth. Or self belief. At all.

So I need to advise you. SOMEONE COMMITTED A CRIME IN THESES BOARDS!!!! In the following topic, a member of buzzjack has said most Britney fans are gay. Take a look:

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...81245&st=40

 

You can spread a bit of your histeric paranoia there too!!!!!!!! Don´t miss this oportunity to act completely irrational and childish again.

 

The bare facts are simple - you don't know ANYBODY who is gay, do you? You base your half-baked nonsense on what your parents, your preacher or your tabloid newspaper tells you, don't you?

What do you know about me? As much as you know from life and culture in general: c**p. You know nothing about me, so stop with the personal insults. You´re just acting childish, because you HAVE to voice your gay-pride speech in every damn thread, even when there´s no remotely signs of you feared "homophobia"... Grow up.

 

Any person here who stands up against you ghasly beliefs is immediately labelled a "PC idiot". I wonder if your views on black people are as simpleton-like and neanderthal a your views on gays? Or do people demanding equality for blacks get labelled "PC idiots" by you, too? I mean, how dare one of, ahem, "God's creatures" demand equality in 2008, eh?

Not everyone. You are. I just said that football is not as atractive to gay people as it is for straight males. You took that as a huge offense. Just a big proof that you´re an histeric paranoid who sees homophobia in everything.

 

I'd say the main reason she has a large number of gay male fans is that gay fans tend to be incredibly loyal throughout the years.... and she's had a lot of fans - and a helluva lot of years, too

How do you say gay people tend to be more loyal to their idols??? going by your idiotic point of view, anything concerning gay "tendency" which is not directly related to sexuality should be taken as huge offense.

 

She has projected being gay, quite rightly, as perfectly equal and equally as normal as you. You seem to forget we don't live in an age (or we, at least, don't live in a country) that allows descrimination of gays. Those days are gone, the days when the church deemed all gay men to hell, spouted that HIV is "God's revenge"... they're gone. Forever. And one of the main reasons for this is that your church, the bigmouths in the houseparty, is so morally bankrupt, so ridden to the core with paedophilia, so awash with gay priests, so smothered in hypocrisy... well, it'd make it even more of a laughing stock than it already is in the modern world. Maybe even Brazil....

Bla bla bla... Low self esteem alarm. You make a victim of yourself ALL THE BLOODY TIME!!!!! You victimize yourself for being gay any bloody time, anything is seen as a big offense, and anything is a oportunity for a huge speech concerning how Church is evil (so out of topic here) and how it is suffering to be gay in this evil world where everyone seem to hate you. Because you have no self esteem, you are completely paranoid and sees everything as a huge offense. A simple comment like: I don´t think gay males are as interested in football as straight males do. THAT you take as a huge offense. I feel so sorry for you...

I don't understand you, JJN. You show up in this forum about once a month to throw in the odd "pedophilia is more normal than homosexuality" or "most gay people don't like football" or something similar and then you're shocked by all the "PC idiots" who are offended. Can't you take a hint? You're being offensive. You're not looking for a serious discussion, you just like rustling feathers (making people upset). Honestly it's trolling at this point.

 

1) "Paedophilia is more normal then homossexuality" is something I never said. You might be a dumb politically correct idiot, but at least be honest and check your facts.

 

2) "Most gay people don´t like football" is hardly an offense... Even if that affirmative was completely wrong (which I doubt), then it would be just a mistake, but hardly an offense. That´s like sayng "most british housewives between 25 and 40 years old like Dido", and that is something that appears on magazines all the time. To notice a tendency in a sector of society is hardly an offense, even if it is mistaken. Unless you´re a PARANOID.

oh please.... you have a ridiculously inflated opinionof yourself. Why on earth would any self-respecting gay man want to eye you up? Are you really so backward that you think gay men dangle their tongues at the first glimpse of a testicle? Or do you think your body is something that gay men would massacre their family to behold? How awful of you... truly grotesque.

Again, you are assuming things you never said, then you criticize the affirmations that yourself has built as if they were mine. Completely idiot. I would not feel comfortable naked in a bathroom along with a female person I find atractive. That doesn´t mean I´m gonna rape her or I´d feel insuportably atracted by any human being from the opposite sex. Most people are like this. That´s why we have separate bathrooms for men and women.

 

Not knowing what you look like (and thoroughly not caring, either)... I can imagine your uptight, offensive and pious manner would be enough to put anyone off

That´s ok. I would also be put off living with someone with such low self esteem that feels offended by anything. It must be insuportable. I prefer people who are a bit more confident, instead of people who need others to affirmate them all the time...

I think, honestly, reading between the lines, JJN is actually probably a repressed homosexual who simply cannot accept that they have these feelings so kicks against them again and again - most straight guys in 2008, whether they live in modern-thinking Europe and America or somewhere still rather behind the sexual times like Brazil.... they don't give a flying toss about someone's sexuality. Most educated people comfortable with their own sexuality are "live and let live" and actually think having a gay friend is a cool thing to have, that visiting a gay club is ok, actually.

 

No real straight guy, unless they're retarded, (or Philip Scolari - same difference, surely?), would be as offensive as JJN, because the gay thing just doesn't mean that much to them - why would it? I don't spend my life ridiculing and belittling straight people.... why would I? It's not like I feel threatened by them in any way. They exist, get used to it, so what?

 

Most people are comfortable enough with who they are that they don´t take an offense from anything. Most people I know would feel offended if I said they don´t like football... In the worse hypothesis, they´d just correct me.

 

I don´t give a flyng toss about you´re sexuality either... Just because I said gay people are less likely to be interested in football then straigh males are, you took that as a hard offense. Your problem is not sexuality, is self esteem and paranoia. And you definitely need help...

I do think it's being overly PC to take offence at someone saying a majority of gay people aren't that into football. That is pretty much a fact.

 

See russt68??? Another person for you to get hugely histeric about...

 

However, what I do take issue with is JJN's opinion that, because there are probably so few gay footballers, that automatically means they should not be allowed to come out. Just because they're a minority, why should they lose their rights?

That´s something I never actually said. The way this topic started, people were talking as if all gay footballers came out of closet it would be a huge scandal and people would end up noticing that the football world is hugely gay. I just sugested that, even if all gay footballers came out of closet, it wouldn´t make much of an impact, cause *probably* they don´t represent a big percentual of the total footballers out there.

 

1) "Paedophilia is more normal then homossexuality" is something I never said. You might be a dumb politically correct idiot, but at least be honest and check your facts.

 

A relationship with a 13, or 14 years old might not be acceptable in society, but biologically it´s pretty normal. Such things vary from culture to culture, and it´s comprehensible that back when human beings life expectancy was like 25 years old, that people started to marry as soon as they achieved puberty. So in that sense, paedophilia might be considered imoral by society but it´s less of an "illness" then homossexuality is, because it still allows the reproduction, while a men feeling atracted only by other men can be considered a "failure" in human nature´s natural selection, cause it doesn´t lead people who pursuit that characteristic to pass their genes to the next generation.

 

That's what you said. Pedophilia is less of an illness than homosexuality. And thanks for calling me "dumb politically correct idiot."

 

Can't the moderators of this forum do anything? This guy is disruptive and offensive.

Can't the moderators of this forum do anything? This guy is disruptive and offensive.

 

in this case.... i dont agree

 

jjn has NOT said anything that insights 'hate', he merely said AND TO AN EXTENT I AGREE, that football doesnt appear to attract many gay men. ok maybe they are intimidated out of being a fan... i dunno...

 

its a FACT that some social groups are more attracted to their favoured cultural activities then others to others... it is NOT homophobic to suggest that madonna has a large gay following, nor in his opinion that gay men dont appear to be into footy as much as straight men..ok that might be WRONG but it ISNT homophobic.

 

jjn's biggest 'crime' is being bold enough to express opinions that have got him a bad reputation... but on this thread he has NOT been homophobic, nor disruptive.

jjn's biggest 'crime' is being bold enough to express opinions that have got him a bad reputation... but on this thread he has NOT been homophobic, nor disruptive.

 

Oh yes he has, Rob - time and time again. :angry:

 

in this case.... i dont agree

 

jjn has NOT said anything that insights 'hate', he merely said AND TO AN EXTENT I AGREE, that football doesnt appear to attract many gay men. ok maybe they are intimidated out of being a fan... i dunno...

 

its a FACT that some social groups are more attracted to their favoured cultural activities then others to others... it is NOT homophobic to suggest that madonna has a large gay following, nor in his opinion that gay men dont appear to be into footy as much as straight men..ok that might be WRONG but it ISNT homophobic.

 

jjn's biggest 'crime' is being bold enough to express opinions that have got him a bad reputation... but on this thread he has NOT been homophobic, nor disruptive.

 

I totally disagree Rob.. JJN has been homophobic and offensive on several occasions, particularly with his implications that Paedophilia was somehow more "natural" than homosexuality... Trouble is JJN is VERY clever and VERY devious, they dress up their offensive language in nice words and psuedo-intellectual theories to make it sound like they are doing the opposite... It's a bit like David Irvine dressing up HIS anti-semitism in an historic theory about the Holocaust, or the BNP racists pretending to be a Political Party and using politics instead of steel toe cap boots.... Be under no illusions though, JJN is being and has been, incredibly Homophobic, he's just being a bit clever about how he dresses up his homophobia so he doesn't get a ban.... <_< Cant believe you're falling for his bullsh"t....

 

I'm watching this guy though, one false slip and I'm gonna start deleting posts....

in this case.... i dont agree

 

jjn has NOT said anything that insights 'hate', he merely said AND TO AN EXTENT I AGREE, that football doesnt appear to attract many gay men. ok maybe they are intimidated out of being a fan... i dunno...

 

its a FACT that some social groups are more attracted to their favoured cultural activities then others to others... it is NOT homophobic to suggest that madonna has a large gay following, nor in his opinion that gay men dont appear to be into footy as much as straight men..ok that might be WRONG but it ISNT homophobic.

 

jjn's biggest 'crime' is being bold enough to express opinions that have got him a bad reputation... but on this thread he has NOT been homophobic, nor disruptive.

 

I never said he was homophobic, I said disruptive and offensive. At the very least, he called me a "dumb idiot" where totally uncalled for. At worst, he hijacks threads with ridiculous comments that if not offensive, certainly suggest it. Once or twice is fine, but he does it all the time! What "opinion" was he expressing by suggesting it would be embarrassing for a gay guy in a locker room? What discussion would this truly lead to? I guess you just don't understand how deeply offensive it is but after so many of these comments, I have to believe JJN does. I have defended his right to post before on religion threads, where I think people were being unfair to him. But I'm growing tired of the same old spiel every time he posts on homosexuality. He goes out of his way to upset people and then it starts all over again.

What "opinion" was he expressing by suggesting it would be embarrassing for a gay guy in a locker room? What discussion would this truly lead to? I guess you just don't understand how deeply offensive it is but after so many of these comments, I have to believe JJN does.

 

I totally agree... That was an entirely reductive line of debate, and one which just totally plays into the court of the lowest common denominator, at the very least it implies ridiculous assumptions and stereotypes which belong in a bygone era, along with such great assumptions as "all black guys have huge cocks and eat fried chicken and want to have sex with white women.." :rolleyes: ; Like I say, I think JJN is being clever by not overtly stating their dislike or distaste towards gays, but the attitude of homophobia simply seeps out of every post he writes, and then he takes offence whenever you or Russ call him on his stereotyping and assumption-making...

 

You notice that it only ever seems to be the threads regarding homosexuality and religion he bothers to post on... Talk about a total one-track mind.... I have VERY rarely seen JJN post in any of the music forums, Retro, or in the Film forum....

At the very least, he called me a "dumb idiot"

 

And I would say that this is sailing very close to breaking BJ's rules, if not actually breaking them...

 

Sure, me and Rob call each other "pillock", "prat", "git" all the time, but there's an implied familiarity with me and him cos we go back quite a ways... I dont think the same sort of implied familiarity exists between JJN and Consie....

 

this is getting way out of control.... way ott.... scott...it needs closing.

this is getting way out of control.... way ott.... scott...it needs closing.

 

On the one hand you're right, but on the other why should we close it because of one wayward poster who's seemingly deliberately setting out to cause friction....? Part of me seriously wants to ban JJN to be honest, it just seems to me that they deliberately target threads of this nature, or of a religious nature and post outrageous cr@p purely to seek attention or to be "controversial"... Like I say, where the hell is JJN on other topics, or other forums....? Almost never to be found mate...

 

Close it if you must, but I dunno man, sounds to me that doing that would just be handing JJN a victory....

 

no objections?... i saw you here after id suggested closing it...

 

i cant see any reason to keep this open as people are being misquoted, mis interpreted, accusing others of things they are guilty of themselves and have totally gone off the topic.

On the one hand you're right, but on the other why should we close it because of one wayward poster who's seemingly deliberately setting out to cause friction....? Part of me seriously wants to ban JJN to be honest, it just seems to me that they deliberately target threads of this nature, or of a religious nature and post outrageous cr@p purely to seek attention or to be "controversial"... Like I say, where the hell is JJN on other topics, or other forums....? Almost never to be found mate...

 

Close it if you must, but I dunno man, sounds to me that doing that would just be handing JJN a victory....

 

i dont regard jjn ON THIS THREAD as a 'wayward poster'. others have responded to him in a very aggressive, ott way... it is no victory but as long as 'old topics' are being brought into the equasion its turning into a witch hunt. jjn has a reputation (probably because he isnt british or american) for posting opinions as he sees them.. using language that in his country is 'normal', so i do believe that some of his intentions get muddled in translation.

 

i see no reason to support a ban... the board needs characters who post opinions that are likely to stimulate discussion. he may well only post on religious or sexual threads... so what? by geography is possibly excluded for many 'local' discussions.

 

i do think though that some people ought to actually listen to what he is saying... and not presume it.

no objections?... i saw you here after id suggested closing it...

 

i cant see any reason to keep this open as people are being misquoted, mis interpreted,

 

Is JJN really being "mis-interpreted" though mate...? I see a very big difference between what HE claims to say on this topic, and what you are ACTUALLY saying... JJN is very good at using language and pseudo-intellectualism to hide their true intent, and even better at playing the injured party when others see through his bullsh!t for what it actually is.... I do NOT like this person much, never have, and it has nothing to do with my happening to disagree with him, I'm totally with Consie, JJN is disruptive...

 

Anyways, we'll keep an eye on things....

 

but is he being deliberately disruptive or is it due to cultural differences/language?.. i think its likely that some of what he says is due to translation. we must remember he aint british!