Posted November 2, 200816 yr Is this election still as important for Gordon Brown after his bounce back in the polls, or is it less important now. Back in August the talk was that if he lost this one he would be chucked out, if Labour still lose will he be out, or is he in a safer position now? Latest polls put Labour and the SNP neck & neck.
November 3, 200816 yr A couple months ago an SNP win seemed inevitable. Now, Labour could win. The very fact that they could win makes things very different from 1990 - 97 when the Tories were bound to lose any byelection even in previously ultra-safe seats such as Christchurch.
November 3, 200816 yr I hope Labour do win it, to make British politics more competitive. I don't really have a particular preference between the main two parties, but I don't want to see the Conservatives coast to victory and do whatever they want... I want to see both parties lay out really good, coherent plans of how best to tackle the recession.
November 3, 200816 yr but this is a contest between the SNP and labour which is very different to between the tories and Labour, as the SNP are the government of Scotland, and seem to be doing better in government than labour has done, they remain popular with the public, while on the other hand the tories are the opposition in England, and its easy to win byelections as an opposition as its just a protest against the government
November 3, 200816 yr but this is a contest between the SNP and labour which is very different to between the tories and Labour, as the SNP are the government of Scotland, and seem to be doing better in government than labour has done, they remain popular with the public, while on the other hand the tories are the opposition in England, and its easy to win byelections as an opposition as its just a protest against the government I know, but the significance of this by-election extends well beyond Glenrothes, and will have major effects on British politics generally. I know it's a bit selfish to hope the voters in that constituency vote a certain way so that I'm satisfied, but meh...
November 4, 200816 yr If labour loose Glenrothes, then Gordon Brown can kiss his seat bye bye. Both constituencies are very closely linked, and are filled with exactly the same type of people. I hope Labour take it out of those 2 just to stop SNP getting a further foothold in Fife
November 4, 200816 yr If labour loose Glenrothes, then Gordon Brown can kiss his seat bye bye. Both constituencies are very closely linked, and are filled with exactly the same type of people. I hope Labour take it out of those 2 just to stop SNP getting a further foothold in Fife We met the Labour candidate when I visited my sister last week. It was outside that big Glenrothes shopping centre (Kingdom something?) Very nice man but his hands were freezing. They always say though ... cold hands / warm heart! Norma Edited November 4, 200816 yr by Norma_Snockers
November 4, 200816 yr If labour loose Glenrothes, then Gordon Brown can kiss his seat bye bye. Nonsense. There's a big difference between a mid-term byelection and a General Election. One of the byelections when the Toriesa were last in power saw such a huge swing that they would have been left with just one seat if it was repeated in a General Election. Nobody ever suggested that was going to happen.
November 4, 200816 yr Nonsense. There's a big difference between a mid-term byelection and a General Election. One of the byelections when the Toriesa were last in power saw such a huge swing that they would have been left with just one seat if it was repeated in a General Election. Nobody ever suggested that was going to happen. Yeah, Brown isn't going to lose his seat lol. Glasgow East will probably return to Labour at the next election, as will Glenrothes if it does go SNP on Thursday, even if Labour get wiped out generally.
November 4, 200816 yr The pair of you a underestimating the SNP in a huge way. They rose from nothing to take the last election up here. A lot of people feel short changed by labour. They lost Dunfermline and West Fife to Lib Dem in a by-election and never got it back. SNP is the new party of choice for the scum of the earth, as many of them sadly hate the English. If you want to disagree that's fine, but please remember i grew up 20minutes north of Glenrothes and know the area very very well. Fife Council has just gone from being a firm Labour council (well Lib-Lab) to being a SNP-Liberal Council. The only reason the SNP don't control Fife is because the voters in the NE vote Lib Dem to ensure the r*t**** in St. Andrews don't let the Tories in -_-
November 4, 200816 yr The pair of you a underestimating the SNP in a huge way. They rose from nothing to take the last election up here. A lot of people feel short changed by labour. They lost Dunfermline and West Fife to Lib Dem in a by-election and never got it back. SNP is the new party of choice for the scum of the earth, as many of them sadly hate the English. If you want to disagree that's fine, but please remember i grew up 20minutes north of Glenrothes and know the area very very well. Fife Council has just gone from being a firm Labour council (well Lib-Lab) to being a SNP-Liberal Council. The only reason the SNP don't control Fife is because the voters in the NE vote Lib Dem to ensure the r*t**** in St. Andrews don't let the Tories in -_- There's a very good reason Labour haven't taken back Dunfermline and West Fife. The byelection was in 2006 and there hasn't been a General Election since then. You may want to disagree but, remember, I've been studying election results and opinion polls for nearly 30 years.
November 7, 200816 yr If you want to disagree that's fine, but please remember i grew up 20minutes north of Glenrothes and know the area very very well. Fife Council has just gone from being a firm Labour council (well Lib-Lab) to being a SNP-Liberal Council. The only reason the SNP don't control Fife is because the voters in the NE vote Lib Dem to ensure the r*t**** in St. Andrews don't let the Tories in -_- I agree, people shouldn't underestimate the SNP.. Labour is totally losing it in Scotland the way the tories did mid-90s... I'm from Dundee which was Labour-controlled for years.. But now, these days, both Dundee MSPs are SNP and only one of its two MPs are Labour, whereas before, for years you had TWO Dundee Labour MPs.. Dundee Council has gone from being Labour Majority controlled to the SNP actually being the single party with most seats, although, no overall control (yet).... I think it's totally simplistic to say that SNP and their supporters are English-haters though, they just dont like the Govt... People in Scotland are feeling a genuine sense of betrayal from the Labour party, and it's not exactly without reason....
November 7, 200816 yr I'm quite shocked that they have held onto it. I can see the SNP mounting up the pressure for it at the General Election. I can imagine that Fife is on thier target list as i Think they have only got 1seat.
November 18, 200816 yr In no way can you lump all SNP voters and say they are English hating scum, for most it has nothing to do with the English, instead I would argue it is about doing what is right for the people of Scotland, and in the end who is always going to fight for the Scots, a party that only stands for elections in Scotland, or UK wide parties who have to compete within in their parites for the attention to be thrown on their nation/region. Also the Scottish people are reluctant to ever vote tory again after the devastation Thatcher caused to Scotland, therefore the only alternative to Labour who are as unpopular here as in England are the Left wing SNP, who have proven themselves in the short space of time they have been Scotlands government, so don't be surprised if Labour continues to lose ground in Scotland, even if they did win this by-election, if you think about it though, the SNP increased their vote by 50% and even though it seemed a comforable win for labour it actually halved their majority which must be worring some of their party analysts
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