Well, that's a pretty offensive generalisation.

 

Unfortunately, it seems to be a generalisation with a good deal of evidence (empirical and anecdotal) to back it up... Consie put their reasoning far better than I ever could, and Russ's comments about the Jamaican homophobia is pretty spot on the mark as well... It IS a fact that black people are tending these days to be far more religiously inclined than whites... The Catholic church's and Islam's increasing domination in Africa has led to a hellish hybrid of the very worst elements of those religious beliefs and the practice of ancient tribal customs.. This in turn has led to indescribable cruelty towards children, branded as "witches", as well as homophobia and the rapid spread of HIV/AIDS.. People dont want to talk about this, because of fear of being branded "racists", but that doesn't make it any less true....

 

As for Proposition 8 itself, this is basically just an American equivalent of our own, "dear" Clause 28 innit....? And it just absolutely highlights the absolute hypocrisy of the Religious Right in America... It pushes for people to get married, and yet stops the Gay Community from pursuing this right... I mean, if they dont want Gays to be married in churches, why not just let them do what they do over here, have Civil Partnerships in Registry Offices, which are as legally binding as marriage... Most marriages dont even take place in churches these days (well, at least, not over this side of the pond at any rate..) anyway, so it's surely not a big deal, or are these people really that psychopathically bigoted and ignorant....?

 

Unfortunately, it seems to be a generalisation with a good deal of evidence (empirical and anecdotal) to back it up... Consie put their reasoning far better than I ever could, and Russ's comments about the Jamaican homophobia is pretty spot on the mark as well... It IS a fact that black people are tending these days to be far more religiously inclined than whites... The Catholic church's and Islam's increasing domination in Africa has led to a hellish hybrid of the very worst elements of those religious beliefs and the practice of ancient tribal customs.. This in turn has led to indescribable cruelty towards children, branded as "witches", as well as homophobia and the rapid spread of HIV/AIDS.. People dont want to talk about this, because of fear of being branded "racists", but that doesn't make it any less true....

 

As for Proposition 8 itself, this is basically just an American equivalent of our own, "dear" Clause 28 innit....? And it just absolutely highlights the absolute hypocrisy of the Religious Right in America... It pushes for people to get married, and yet stops the Gay Community from pursuing this right... I mean, if they dont want Gays to be married in churches, why not just let them do what they do over here, have Civil Partnerships in Registry Offices, which are as legally binding as marriage... Most marriages dont even take place in churches these days (well, at least, not over this side of the pond at any rate..) anyway, so it's surely not a big deal, or are these people really that psychopathically bigoted and ignorant....?

 

i dont 'get' the churches opposition to homosexuality anyway. if it is 'un-natural' then it wouldnt exist! its not as if homosexuality is a rare occurrence, so whether you're a creationist or an evolutionist, the very fact that its an ongoing state throughout human history proves that it is natural.

 

and if anyone starts to think 'spiritually', well... why would god allow homosexuality to exist? why doesnt he 'cure' (heal, change, whatever) gay people who pray for it? i bet theres not 1 gay christian in the whole wide world who hasnt prayed for it.

 

again its back to my old argument, either god allows homosexuality, or theres no god! (in which case there no spiritual grounds to oppose it)!!! :lol: strewth... it aint rocket science!

 

i dont 'get' the churches opposition to homosexuality anyway. if it is 'un-natural' then it wouldnt exist! its not as if homosexuality is a rare occurrence, so whether you're a creationist or an evolutionist, the very fact that its an ongoing state throughout human history proves that it is natural.

 

and if anyone starts to think 'spiritually', well... why would god allow homosexuality to exist? why doesnt he 'cure' (heal, change, whatever) gay people who pray for it? i bet theres not 1 gay christian in the whole wide world who hasnt prayed for it.

 

again its back to my old argument, either god allows homosexuality, or theres no god! (in which case there no spiritual grounds to oppose it)!!! :lol: strewth... it aint rocket science!

 

I would say in both cases there is no spiritual grounds to oppose it.... The facts are, there is NO COMMANDMENT saying "Thou Shalt Not Be Gay", it aint one of the Deadly Sins either... I would think if God were so uptight about it, he'd make as big a deal out of it as murder, coveting, stealing or adultery.... :rolleyes: And, er, well, I think we all see that hypocrisy and double standards of the Church on ALL of those ones.... Murder - as in, just about every Church (except the Amish and Quakers) supporting war or the Death Penalty; Coveting, as in the Catholic Church "coveting" and downright stealing the natural resources of the New World when they sent out the Conquistadores to conquer and kill, also the Church's tacit support of Free Market Capitalism which encourages us ALL to "covet" what we dont have (the whole ethos of "keeping up with the Joneses" is basially COVETING..); and Adultery... Well, all these "good, Christian" people who go to prostitutes or rent boys, then their Churches forgive them and grant them "absolution" when they confess it, but afterwards, the two-faced buggers just go out and do the same sh!t again..... :lol: :lol:

 

And, yes, it does seem totally fukked up to me that an Institution such as the Church would rather people live a lie, allow them to go through a sham marriage with someone they dont love, rather than let people be happy and free... But then, I suppose genuinely free people are far more difficult to control, than guilt-laden, fukked-up and depressed ones.... Seems to me that the Church just wants gay people to live underground, secret, "other" lives, so it can point the finger and say, "these people are evil, look, they live secret, duplicitous lives".... B/astards..... <_<

 

I would say in both cases there is no spiritual grounds to oppose it.... The facts are, there is NO COMMANDMENT saying "Thou Shalt Not Be Gay", it aint one of the Deadly Sins either...

 

Sodom mate...that pretty much covers it in the bible.

 

Funny thing is though...the only way it can come under the commandments is under 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' and that can only work if it's illegal to marry your same sex partner. Therefore, this proposition is causing law-abiding citizens to break a holy commandment by the very decree of those who say there are already breaking some unwritten religious law. Oh, there's a chicken here, an egg, a chicken, an egg...where's Joseph Heller when you need him?

Sodom mate...that pretty much covers it in the bible.

 

But isn't the parable (ie, STORY) of Sodom and Gomorrah a general description of human corruption though on all levels...? It wasn't just, specifically only about Homosexuality. It can still be taken both ways (oo-errr , LOL)...

 

homosexuality isnt one of the 7 deadly sins...

 

 

 

 

but gluttony is! and just lok how many fat bstrd christians there are! ESPECIALLY in america! :lol:

consie.... a seriese of excellant posts :)

 

Thank you :)

 

It's important that people understand how complicated politics and society are in this country. Having said that, I honestly believe Europeans are generally more aware of this than Americans. I can come up with a million reasons why - poor education system, insular geography, institutionalized religion, capital-driven values (which allow elections to be bought). Although I do believe Americans have wised up during this election cycle, resulting in vastly-increased participation in the electoral process and, most importantly, the election of Obama.

 

We'll keep watching the fallout from prop 8. So far there have been dozens of massive protests, and not just on the Castro in San Francisco but at LA's Mormon and Catholic churches, and a huge planned protest in Salt Lake City at the Mormon Temple. Californians really feel cheated by this outcome.

 

 

 

surely God is supposed to be all about 'love'? Isn't the marriage of 2 people hopelessly in love - whatever their sex - the greatest display of love we know?

 

And surely the religious zealots would rather gays be hidden and not 'out and proud'? Every couple I know that marries virtually disappears - they become so wrapped up in themselves, things like socialising, friends, family.... virtually forgotten.....

 

Another thing.... isn't the marriage of 2 gay men, in the religious idiots' eyes, a good thing for everyone? They think gay men are solely responsible for AIDs and child molestation..... so wouldn't wedding off these disgusting homosexuals at least keep them off the streets nabbing children and spreading disease?

 

Or is this attempt to ban same-sex unions simply another grotesque example of the spiteful, cruel, twisted, hollow, hypocritical, vindictive, disgusting and morally bankrupt thing we once knew as the 'church'?

 

The latter I think....

Consie for president.

 

I have agreed with EVERYTHING he has posted throughout this forum's entire history. :lol:

Or is this attempt to ban same-sex unions simply another grotesque example of the spiteful, cruel, twisted, hollow, hypocritical, vindictive, disgusting and morally bankrupt thing we once knew as the 'church'?

 

The latter I think....

 

And the FULL TRUTH Award for this week goes to...... :lol:

 

Couldn't put it better myself tbh.... It's like I said, the 'Church' just wants to paint the Gay Community as being "other" so it can point the finger.. Well, that might've worked several hundred years ago, it aint gonna work now... There is absolutely no logical or rational reason for not allowing Gay and Lesbians to enter into civil partnerships/marriages, only reasons based on entirely irrational hatred and fear...

 

This law should never have been passed, why should there be a fukkin' "referendum" on Gay Rights anyway...? Lincoln never sought a referendum to free the slaves (he went to war instead....), Kennedy never sought public approval to end segregation or the "Jim Crow" laws and bring in Civil Rights...

 

This is a disgusting act of Oppression upon a minority in what is supposed to be the "Land of the Free", based upon nothing but ignorance....

 

No More Mr Nice Gay' as Mormons face vote backlash

 

Protesters vent fury after church funds successful effort to ban gay marriages

By Guy Adams in Los Angeles

Saturday, 8 November 2008

 

Daniel Ginnes carried a banner declaring: "No More Mr Nice Gay." Brian Lindsey held up a sign billing Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of the Latter Day Saints, as a "prophet, polygamist, paedophile." Hundreds of others simply chanted: "Mormon scum."

 

More than 2,000 gay rights protesters marched on a Mormon temple in Los Angeles on Thursday, throwing the church and its followers on to the front line of the battle over California's decision to ban same-sex marriage.

 

Earlier this week, 52.5 per cent of voters in the supposedly liberal state decided to back Proposition 8, a ballot measure that adds 15 words to the constitution, saying that: "Only a marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognised in California."

 

The development marked a massive setback for gay rights and left 18,000 couples, who had married in the five months since California legalised same-sex weddings, in legal limbo.

 

In the large and traditionally laid-back gay community, it also left a sense of injustice. Proposition 8 passed with the assistance of a $70m (£44m) campaign largely funded by out-of-state donations from Mormons. "It's taken something like this to make us realise the need to be more aggressive and angry and active," said Mr Ginnes, a graphic designer from West Hollywood. "People didn't think they were going to lose the vote, so they didn't realise it was worth fighting for.

 

"Now we have lost a fundamental right. That's a shame, but it's certainly galvanised a community that was apathetic. What you are seeing today is the birth of a movement."

 

In the coming days, a string of protests are planned across California, as campaigners mount a robust PR war against the Utah-based church. Many will picket services tomorrow.

 

"We should have got nasty a long time ago," said Mr Lindsey, who is originally from a Mormon family. "I'm not going to be polite any more, I'm not going to step around my belief that this is a nasty church with disgusting views which managed to buy an election. I don't care if it's people's religion. I'm going to stand up and fight it."

 

Thursday's protest, which gridlocked traffic in Hollywood for the second consecutive day, was mostly disciplined, with police reporting two arrests. Seven people were detained at a demonstration on Wednesday.

 

For the Mormon Church, it threatens a PR nightmare. The gay rights lobby boasts scores of prominent celebrity supporters who have already pledged vociferous support to the campaign to overturn Proposition 8.

 

The country music singer Melissa Etheridge, a prominent lesbian, announced yesterday that she will refuse to pay income tax until she's "allowed the same rights" as other taxpayers. Instead, she pledged to donate money to legal challenges arguing that the way Proposition 8 was put to the voters was unconstitutional.

 

Behind the scenes, the mood is turning increasingly ugly. "If they're going to vote away my rights based on fear and ignorance and prejudice, I'm going to give them something to be f***ing scared of," read a message posted on the online bulletin board Queerty.

 

The Mormon Church is in damage limitation mode. "No one on either side of the question should be vilified, harassed or subject to erroneous information," it said in a statement.

 

The Mormons A snapshot

 

*The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was founded by Joseph Smith Jr in New York state in 1830 and developed by Brigham Young who migrated with the new Mormons to Salt Lake Valley, Utah, in 1847.

 

*There are 12 million membersworldwide who believe their church is a restoration of the Church asconceived by Jesus and that other Christian churches have gone astray.

 

*It is said to be the fourth largest Christian denomination in the whole of the United States.

 

*Mormons oppose homosexuality, abortion, sex outside of marriage, alcohol, drugs, pornography, gambling, tobacco, tea and coffee.

 

*Mormons hold that we all have an eternal life stretching either side of our life on earth. They believe that humans can become like gods in the afterlife, although subordinate to God.

 

*The Church of the Latter Day Saints tolerated "plural marriage" before the American Civil War. The practice was discontinued more than a century ago, but several thousand renegade Mormons in the western states still practise polygamy and the issue is one of the main obstacles to the religion being accepted as a mainstream branch of Christianity.

 

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/am...sh-1001083.html

Melissa Etheridge is no country music singer, though :P

"I don't care if it's people's religion. I'm going to stand up and fight it."

 

At last someone with the balls to say what many feel.... religion is a choice.... your sexuality isn't.

 

How dare these idiots try to make 2nd class citizens out of gay people.

 

Power to the protestors - I'm with them every step of the way - I think the younger gay communities, totally through their own fault, have become complacent and lazy - equal rights that were fought for for decades have been handed to them on a plate.... and they show little respect or regard for the fight their forefathers made for them to live freely - which is always a huge mistake, you should never, ever forget.

 

If this Mormon nonsense is what it takes to get the gay youth moving, to make them aware, then it's a good thing. Bring it on!

No it isn't - at all.

 

I can only presume you're a) straight and b ) white?

 

Because unless you're at least one of the above - how on earth would you know? :rolleyes:

 

One of my closest friends is of Jamaican descent - and I can assure you, the homophobia he's encountered because he's gay and black is repulsive.

 

Also - I suggest you Google Jamaica and gays.... to say that homophobia amongst the black community isn't more prevalent is staggeringly naive and ill-informed.

What does my sexuality or race have to do with anything?

 

And what I found offensive about your comment was the suggestion that a black person, in any country, is inherently more likely to be homophobic, which is c**p. Statistically, on a global average, it probably is more likely, but there are specific reasons for that - as we all know, the vast majority of black-dominated countries are very poor and far less advanced socially than the West, therefore a homophobia stems from ignorance. Even in the USA, their society is not fully racially-integrated yet, in practice - black people on average are of a lower social class, and are less educated. But a suggestion that, for instance, the average black person in this country is more homophobic than the average white person, like your comment implied, is ridiculous.

i dont 'get' the churches opposition to homosexuality anyway. if it is 'un-natural' then it wouldnt exist! its not as if homosexuality is a rare occurrence, so whether you're a creationist or an evolutionist, the very fact that its an ongoing state throughout human history proves that it is natural.

 

and if anyone starts to think 'spiritually', well... why would god allow homosexuality to exist? why doesnt he 'cure' (heal, change, whatever) gay people who pray for it? i bet theres not 1 gay christian in the whole wide world who hasnt prayed for it.

 

again its back to my old argument, either god allows homosexuality, or theres no god! (in which case there no spiritual grounds to oppose it)!!! :lol: strewth... it aint rocket science!

Social conservatives are full of $h!t. They preach moral values, then relentlessly attack factions of society. They support the death penalty on the basis that a human life is sacred, therefore someone who takes away a human's life does not deserve to live, yet are absolutely fine with the chance that an innocent person could be executed. They generally support a free market, every-man-for-himself policy in economics, yet when it comes to immigration, they can't stand freedom of movement, despite that being essentially the same principle. I personally wouldn't hesitate to call someone who opposes gay rights on a religious basis a bigot.

No More Mr Nice Gay' as Mormons face vote backlash

 

Protesters vent fury after church funds successful effort to ban gay marriages

By Guy Adams in Los Angeles

Saturday, 8 November 2008

 

Daniel Ginnes carried a banner declaring: "No More Mr Nice Gay." Brian Lindsey held up a sign billing Joseph Smith, founder of the Church of the Latter Day Saints, as a "prophet, polygamist, paedophile." Hundreds of others simply chanted: "Mormon scum."

 

More than 2,000 gay rights protesters marched on a Mormon temple in Los Angeles on Thursday, throwing the church and its followers on to the front line of the battle over California's decision to ban same-sex marriage.

 

Earlier this week, 52.5 per cent of voters in the supposedly liberal state decided to back Proposition 8, a ballot measure that adds 15 words to the constitution, saying that: "Only a marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognised in California."

 

The development marked a massive setback for gay rights and left 18,000 couples, who had married in the five months since California legalised same-sex weddings, in legal limbo.

 

In the large and traditionally laid-back gay community, it also left a sense of injustice. Proposition 8 passed with the assistance of a $70m (£44m) campaign largely funded by out-of-state donations from Mormons. "It's taken something like this to make us realise the need to be more aggressive and angry and active," said Mr Ginnes, a graphic designer from West Hollywood. "People didn't think they were going to lose the vote, so they didn't realise it was worth fighting for.

 

"Now we have lost a fundamental right. That's a shame, but it's certainly galvanised a community that was apathetic. What you are seeing today is the birth of a movement."

 

In the coming days, a string of protests are planned across California, as campaigners mount a robust PR war against the Utah-based church. Many will picket services tomorrow.

 

"We should have got nasty a long time ago," said Mr Lindsey, who is originally from a Mormon family. "I'm not going to be polite any more, I'm not going to step around my belief that this is a nasty church with disgusting views which managed to buy an election. I don't care if it's people's religion. I'm going to stand up and fight it."

 

Thursday's protest, which gridlocked traffic in Hollywood for the second consecutive day, was mostly disciplined, with police reporting two arrests. Seven people were detained at a demonstration on Wednesday.

 

For the Mormon Church, it threatens a PR nightmare. The gay rights lobby boasts scores of prominent celebrity supporters who have already pledged vociferous support to the campaign to overturn Proposition 8.

 

The country music singer Melissa Etheridge, a prominent lesbian, announced yesterday that she will refuse to pay income tax until she's "allowed the same rights" as other taxpayers. Instead, she pledged to donate money to legal challenges arguing that the way Proposition 8 was put to the voters was unconstitutional.

 

Behind the scenes, the mood is turning increasingly ugly. "If they're going to vote away my rights based on fear and ignorance and prejudice, I'm going to give them something to be f***ing scared of," read a message posted on the online bulletin board Queerty.

 

The Mormon Church is in damage limitation mode. "No one on either side of the question should be vilified, harassed or subject to erroneous information," it said in a statement.

 

The Mormons A snapshot

 

*The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was founded by Joseph Smith Jr in New York state in 1830 and developed by Brigham Young who migrated with the new Mormons to Salt Lake Valley, Utah, in 1847.

 

*There are 12 million membersworldwide who believe their church is a restoration of the Church asconceived by Jesus and that other Christian churches have gone astray.

 

*It is said to be the fourth largest Christian denomination in the whole of the United States.

 

*Mormons oppose homosexuality, abortion, sex outside of marriage, alcohol, drugs, pornography, gambling, tobacco, tea and coffee.

 

*Mormons hold that we all have an eternal life stretching either side of our life on earth. They believe that humans can become like gods in the afterlife, although subordinate to God.

 

*The Church of the Latter Day Saints tolerated "plural marriage" before the American Civil War. The practice was discontinued more than a century ago, but several thousand renegade Mormons in the western states still practise polygamy and the issue is one of the main obstacles to the religion being accepted as a mainstream branch of Christianity.

 

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/am...sh-1001083.html

 

The Mormons fukkin' disgust me.... <_< Wasn't there a scandal involving some Mormon offshoot cult which was marrying off underage girls to dirty old men about three times their age, quite often in polygamous relationships as well....? A "church" of fukkin' disgusting paedos and hypocrites which should be treated with the same short shrift as the fukkin' Branch Davidians or Heavens Gate if you ask me, how DARE they get on their moral high horse about the Gay Community.... Mormonism = Dangerous fukkin' CULT......

 

Good on Melissa Ethridge and the other protestors. I think it's high time to get proactive here.... Time for a militant, gay equivalent of the Black Panthers..... (oh, God, I can just imagine some tw@t in the Media dubbing such a militia group the Pink Panthers..... :rolleyes: :lol: I better be careful what I wish for....)

 

What does my sexuality or race have to do with anything?

 

It has everything to do with this discussion - of course it does. If you were black - you'd know the indoctrinated opinions on homosexuality - Africa and the Caribbean islands, the native countries of the majority of blacks around the world, ae both steeped in religion - and thus homophobia. You'd also be well aware that the black youth of today is encouraged to be brutally homophobic by its various 'role models' - whether it be the crass homophobia of hip hop or the grotesque macho posturing of ragga/dancehall music. Have you heard a ragga or hip hop lyric that actively discourages violence against gay men and women? Of course not - in fact, check a few out - Buju Banton is a fine example.

 

When your 'role models' chat about burning and shooting up gays - is it any wonder that, yes, in the black communities, homophobia is absolutely more prevalent - and you'd have to be blind to even try to disagree with this.

 

If you were gay then you'd have more than likely encountered prejudice from blacks - or would know a black person who's been at the receiving end of homophobia from his/her families or communities - as I said, one of my best friends is of Jamaican descent - his story of visiting Jamaica, and the barbaric way gays are treated in this country, beggars belief. Jamaica is a country where if you're openly gay - you're easy game for the most horrific of attacks - and even the police turn a blind eye. In fact, the police are actively involved in a lot of the crimes against gay people in Jamaica. Gay people simply 'disappear' in Jamaica. That's what makes me smile when people harp on about Rastafarians, peace, love and goodwill to all men. It's bull$h!t - the Rastafari faith is one of the most violently homophobic faiths known to man.

 

But a suggestion that, for instance, the average black person in this country is more homophobic than the average white person, like your comment implied, is ridiculous.

 

I think you answered your own question with the rest of your post - I think you'll also find that even the most affluent of black people in Britain have a tendency to be more homophobic than their counterparts - I'm speaking as a gay man with 40 years' experience - many of these years living in Bristol, which has a huge Afro-Caribbean commmunity.

 

To suggest homophobia is rife in the black communities is in no way being racist - it's simply stating a sad, rather baffling, fact - the same as saying that knife crime amongst youths in Britain in inner city areas is, again, a predominantly black problem. It's not a set of statistics I like at all - but the figures speak for themselves.

^ Most of what's written in that post is at best knowingly overexaggerating, and at worst, borderline racist. I completely reject the suggestion that racism is more prevalent in the British black community than in the white community, and find it offensive that you stereotype a British black person as liking "ragga/dancehall music". Like I said, sure, globally, a black person is on average more likely to be more homophobic, but because of specific cultural and societal influences. It is not true that a black person is inherently more homophobic.

the same as saying that knife crime amongst youths in Britain in inner city areas is, again, a predominantly black problem. It's not a set of statistics I like at all - but the figures speak for themselves.

 

Oh dear, and you were onto a good point with the religious case....

 

I'm sorry, but that is just complete and utter cr@p, what "statistics" are you talking about, I'd like a source please.... You ever been to the East Side of Glasgow mate (clearly the authors of these "statistics" never have either)....? Or certain areas of Edinburgh, Paisley...? You'll find out a few facts about knife crime there that will absolutely torpedo your argument.... Knife crime is NOT a Black or a White problem, it is a Social Underclass problem... In terms of proportion more people are carrying knives in Glasgow's East Side than in Peckham, Hackney, or any bad area of London, Bristol or Manchester you care to mention; and these problem areas I speak of, well, put it this way, the amount of people of Afro-Caribbean origin who live in places like Parkhead, Partick or Paisley can be pretty much counted on the fingers of one hand.... :lol: Friends of mine who have lived in Glasgow their whole lives have said "Why does the media only focus on knife crime south of the border, we've had these problems since the 1960s....". Ever hear of Jimmy Boyle...? Notrorious Glasgow gangster (now reformed) who would slash your face open with a Stanley Knife as soon as look at you...? And, in a cruel twist of irony, Boyle's son was stabbed to death in 1994... Rangers and Celtic fans were once notorious for razor and knife fights.. One of my friends even witnessed a guy getting his throat cut in a Glasgow alleyway, and this was over a decade ago... Nah, dont believe the fantasies the Tabloids tell you, knife crime is a blight that affects everyone, and has done for a VERY long time... And it's absolutely no coincidence whatsoever that it's all tended to happen in economically deprived areas with very few services or amenities, areas totally forgotten or ignored by the "powers-that-be".... The only reason it has gotten so much hype now is because the victims are tending to be younger these days....

 

I seriously wouldn't rely on the reliability of statistical analysis if I were you, it really IS open to interpretation in many cases, and the results can be manipulated to support an already decided-on hypothesis.... Hence the expression "There are lies. Damned lies. And statistics...."

 

I completely reject the suggestion that racism is more prevalent in the British black community than in the white community

 

Eh...? That's not actually what Russ is arguing to be fair.... His focus is purely on Homophobia, not racism... And he does have a point... The overly-macho posturing of Rap artists does tend to breed ignorance and homophobia.... Buju Banton's "Boom, Bye Bye" has the following rather 'lovely' chorus -

 

(Me say) Boom bye bye

Inna batty bwoy head

Rude bwoy no promote the nasty man

Dem haffi dead

 

This isn't a "joke" or some form of "irony", or Public Enemy style of social commentary a' la "911 Is A Joke", this is nasty, fukkin' bullsh!t which had one singular purpose - to encourage people to behave violently towards the Gay Community.... I'll never forget Mark Lamarr absolutely berating Shabba Ranks' homophobic comments on "The Word" back in the day... Absolutely brilliant....

 

And dont believe Banton's supposed "apology" for this song either, just so much bullsh!t to avoid his career going t!ts up when the sh!t hit the fan... Anyone supposedly "apologetic" wouldn't still be performing it live..... <_<