But with Elouise's thinking its flawed as Walt and Desmond didn't go back to the island. I don't know intergal Walt is to the show anymore, but I am sure the island would have wanted him back. And then Desmond, well although he didn't arrive by plane I am prety sure the island wants/needs him back also?

 

They hopefully best have a good reason as to why Sun was not transported back to 1977 as well.

:mellow: :mellow: :mellow:

 

All I can work out is Jacob said "they're coming" (reference to the Flight 815ers) so obvs they'll all get transported into the future again. Suprised Jacob could die so easily, but I don't think there's something right about that. BUMMED about Locke too. Can't believe he's really dead.

 

And the Juliet and Sawyer stuff was very moving.

 

Good finale but I don't even want to try thinking about stuff as there is way too much to think about and there's 7 months till another episode.

Yes, probably flight 815 is coming. :huh: He really died easily, but I'm sure there will be more episodes about him. One question, was the point for him to touch everybody from flight 815 before? :unsure: So that character from the beginning of the episode is this evil Lock? :blink: Because, Lock is death now, there's no doubt. Richard said good thing, that he saw everything, but not that someone is back from death, and it's exactly like this.

 

And I think if Jacob just gave any answer to Ben, he wouldn't kill him...

 

I think Juliet will be alive. And I think she activated that bomb at the end.

 

Btw, this was one of the best episodes!

That was the most disappointing finale of Lost. It was pretty entertaining but there absolutely no sense of conclusion to any of the strands and everything felt so disjointed. For me it didn't click. The episode was called "The Incident" so our focus should've really been on the dharma folk, especially as that has been this season's main arc. But instead we get a Jacob flashback, which was cool, but just didn't seem to fit with anything we've seen all season. IMO, the opening scene of this episode should've been the opening of season 6. The finale needed some sort of resolution, like a Jin/Sun reunion. I don't know, while I like a cliffhanger, I feel like way too much is left hanging.

I disagree. Jin/Sun reunion would mean they solved all their problems, so what would they do in season 6?

 

"The Incident" could also stand for killing Jacob, as for Dharma thing.

LOVED IT! Juliet. :cry: She is my favourite character by a country mile.

 

The scene with Juliet, Kate and Sawyer was one the most moving scene I have ever witnessed in Lost. I was completely taken in by it all, I actually cried like a baby when she let go. :cry:

 

The only thing I care about in Season 6 is Juliet still being alive. Screw Locke, Jacob, Ben - the lot of them! :lol: Juliet is where it's at. :funky: I PRAY she's alive, can anyone tell me if she is present in the next Season? :(

I know, I want Juliet in S6

Yes, probably flight 815 is coming. :huh: He really died easily, but I'm sure there will be more episodes about him. One question, was the point for him to touch everybody from flight 815 before? :unsure: So that character from the beginning of the episode is this evil Lock? :blink: Because, Lock is death now, there's no doubt. Richard said good thing, that he saw everything, but not that someone is back from death, and it's exactly like this.

 

And I think if Jacob just gave any answer to Ben, he wouldn't kill him...

 

I think Juliet will be alive. And I think she activated that bomb at the end.

 

Btw, this was one of the best episodes!

 

I am still not sure whether Real Locke will stay dead. I think he's too important a character to just die like that. When Jacob touched him, he revived him - wouldn't suprise me if he did the same thing again to Locke. I know Jacob is 'dead' but I don't believe he really is. He provoked Ben to killing him. The people from Flight 815 obviously have some high importance to helping Jacob as the look on Fake Locke's face said it all really - he's scared.

 

Lost is all about duality, and it really does seem like the final season is going to be about why these characters are so special and how they've going to defeat Fake Locke.

 

The ending of Dharma was really left ambigious. We know that The Incident occurs, but was the bomb always meant to go off? I'm not so sure whether it did. But then did the bomb actually go off? There's cases for both. Whatever happens i'm pretty sure the bomb did go off and it led to the transportation of them all back to 2007. But then does everyone go back? Juliet was not touched by Jacob, but then neither was Miles. I know she's the lead character in the new pilot for V next year so i'm not too sure really. She survived falling down a huge hole without dying and then appears to have set the bomb off. But she set off a nuclear bomb (apparently) so I think she's dead personally. Even though I hate all the love stuff, I definitely thought the finale finally split them off into couples (Juliet+Sawyer and Jake+Kate) so I hope to God that love-quad is finished now.

Juliet's "death" was definately the most harrowing part of The Incident. She's one of my favourite characters, mainly because of the way she plays off Jack and Sawyer.

She will be back on season 6 in some form or another, which was the same line they used for Jin after series 4.

Juliet's "death" was definately the most harrowing part of The Incident. She's one of my favourite characters, mainly because of the way she plays off Jack and Sawyer.

She will be back on season 6 in some form or another, which was the same line they used for Jin after series 4.

 

I've heard mixed messages on sites and stuff. Its all very ambigious. One site was saying there would be a major death and they've confirmed that Juliet was that death, but they can't be too sure as no-one knows what happens. I think it all depends on whether V is picked up or not. There's no way she could be a series regular on both shows. Guess we'll just have to wait till next yeat though for confirmation.

 

All I know is (well, 99% sure) is that all actors that signed contracts on the show, or were already series regulars, have contractual obligations to appear in season 6 if asked.

Right so first: Jacob, we still need to know what is he, how does he have these powers, how does he control it all, why and how does he speak through Christian Shepard? How does he get off the island so easily? Just how long has he been there? We need to know more of those times, with the statue,

 

which brings me to our opener, Jacob on the beach, who is that guy with him? well, binary opposites yeah, Jacob in white, his ENEMY? in black, good and evil? God and anti-God? who knows, but this brings me to the two Lockes...

 

so if Locke is dead how is he alive? because the alive Locke, is Jacobs enemy, they have the same powers, and because they are enemies and he has no trust in Jacob, he either possess Locke, or becomes Locke, to go and kill Jacob.

 

 

Not so much interested in the other story this time, more the Jacob story, but I think it was brilliant at the end, how the logo came up inverted, just how much has changed now, because i think that was signifying a change? But i also think they all moved somewhere, white flash style.

 

 

I'm gonna re-watch all seasons in the next 7 months now, just think how much has changed, especially since the blowing up of the hatch.

^ Interesting thoughts there.

 

I might watch Lost from season 1 to this end till we get season 6. :kink:

It might be best just to get the bible out. As there's so many biblical references. Jacob and his brother(?) are like Gods. One hates man, and the other believes in man. Both seem to have God-like powers too.

 

There could be two physical Locke's about. I saw someone bring up the debate that maybe when you turn the wheel, you re-duplicate yourself. Afterall in the teaser video for season 4, this very thing happened with the rabbits. So maybe its happened now? Idk.

 

One other thing just thinking about it in more detail though. The translation to the answer of 'what lies in the shadow of the statue' and the answer is 'he who shall save us all'. Well Jacob's dead now and the only person who is (literally) lying in the shadow of the statue is John Locke.

My thoughts are that Jacob which is sort of like a "good god" can transform into anyone/anything that's dead, like Christian, Charlie, Libby, etc. I assume the black shirt dude is the evil one on the island, that has to manipulate people into doing bad stuff. He's the one who transformed into Locke (who is actually dead) to manipulate Ben into killing Jacob. Methinks neither of them can kill each other, only get others to do so. I assume he might be the smoke monster too. Which takes me back to one thing I didnt get. The ash thing around the cabin. So that was actually the place where the evil guy was, and not Jacob. So methinks he was contained in that area probably bu Jacob until the ash was broken, by perhaps Locke when he went there to visit Jacob. The evil guy probably manipulated Locke into setting him free and into doing all of the things that happened next. And now the guy can do wherever he want in the island. And they kinda watch over the island and see what people do, good and evil, maybe as a sort of judgement. I did see that Jacob visited all of the Oceanic 6, but not anyone else including Juliet, and she's supposedly dead.

 

I'd say put your bible down, and learn egyptian mythology. Its like everywhere in the island

Its a mixture of Egyptian and bible knowledge really - certain things that happen on Lost are definitely based on the bible (adam and eve for example).

 

I actually think maybe Hurley broke it accidently in 4x01, although we can't be sure really. I don't believe New Locke is the smoke monster either - but I believe they're working together.

One other thing just thinking about it in more detail though. The translation to the answer of 'what lies in the shadow of the statue' and the answer is 'he who shall save us all'. Well Jacob's dead now and the only person who is (literally) lying in the shadow of the statue is John Locke.

 

That can be true, but how they all could know that John will lie there.

 

In this season, when Ben was trying to call smoke monster and Sun was in front of his house, fake Locke was disappear for few minutes. I'm still wondering what he was doing, and I think we'll find out.

 

He and monster, probably are working together, he knew without any problems where to find it.

 

But, who is coming? I don't think Jacob was thinking about plane 815, that would be to obvious. And that ship at the beginning, I'm wondering did it discovered that island?

That can be true, but how they all could know that John will lie there.

 

In this season, when Ben was trying to call smoke monster and Sun was in front of his house, fake Locke was disappear for few minutes. I'm still wondering what he was doing, and I think we'll find out.

 

He and monster, probably are working together, he knew without any problems where to find it.

 

But, who is coming? I don't think Jacob was thinking about plane 815, that would be to obvious. And that ship at the beginning, I'm wondering did it discovered that island?

 

Well none of them know who will save them. Only Jacob would have known, which is why he created the riddle. Jacob obviously has some sort of future vision as he showed up at all the right times in people's lives. It maybe makes sense that he died, as he knew what was going to happen. He didn't seem shocked at all.

 

It could be that Fake Locke and the Smoker Monster are the same - but when Ben said to Locke that he wouldn't need convincing because of the Smoke Monster it made me think that maybe they're noth working together.

 

The ship at the beginning was the Black Rock. Its likely that Richard was on there, and for some reason he gifted Richard immortality. The "they're coming" definitely refers to the Losties imo. They HAVE to go back to the present day as they've all got targets on their heads now in the 70s. Maybe them coming back into the present day is what revives Locke. As Faraday pointed out - each one of them are variables who can change everything.

Richard was on the island well before the black rock as he was shown in the 1950s. Didn't the black rock crash in like 1990?

 

Richard was on the island well before the black rock as he was shown in the 1950s. Didn't the black rock crash in like 1990?

 

It crashed 1890s I think. Not sure though, but it was when the slave trade was rife. Richard is either from the Black Rock, or is a modern day Egyptian. Just look at his eyes!

I thought the Black Rock was Danielle's ship :S