Thank you, thank you, thank you.

 

Why do people find this so hard to understand?

 

 

Robin, answer me a question, please, and be sincere.

 

If TTTST had bein top 10, would you still be saying "it cannot be considered as a top 10 and you cannot add it to the list of consecutive top 10s as it was not officially released as a single"????' Or by contrary, you'd be celebratin that it's a top 10 and of course it can be added to the list because it means a lot of people downloaded the song and bla bla bla...???

 

Another example. If "Love is pain" (or love is the key, can't remember) had made the top 10 after the performance in the GA Party special (or whatever it was called), as many million of people saw the performance and loved the song, would you consider it as another top 10 in their career and would be saying that "as the times have changed and downloads are what matters now it is another top 10, bla bla bla???" or I am completely wrong???

 

I don't give a $h!t about it it is a top 10 or not, what i really hates is the hyprocresy of fans when they claim that crap of "not an official single, not physycal release", when if the result had been better they would be saying exactly the opposite.

As I've said, Spice Girls UK sales will ever be higher than GA, just with album sales and even more if we add singles sales. And that with 3 albums and a GH.

 

But talking about Sugababes. Up to last October, before they release C&S, Music Week published their albums sales which were more tan 4 million (you can go and look for that article if you want). So with 5 studio albums and a GH, 6 albums, more than 4 million.

 

GA have sold 3,200,000 albums aprox. (and that taking into account that 650k are from their latest X Factor related album), which makes the total figure a lot lower 3 months ago.

 

Still more than 800k copies to get the Sugababes with the same number of albums.

 

Single sales are almost the same for both bands. Not even 200k copies of difference. (Sugababes have just 3 singles more). And that bein all GA singles Top 10s... which demonstrates tha, many of them, fall as quickly as they entered the charts....

So, not even adding single sales + album sales GA have sold more than Sugababes.

 

And, as I've said, I don't even want to mention overseas markets. In case you don't know, Sugababes sold records, among others, in Germany, the 2nd market in Europe...

 

no point even responding to this, selected facts, all with digging sentances, just purely for a reaction...

 

back to the loving kind.........

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by Paulo

Robin, answer me a question, please, and be sincere.

 

If TTTST had bein top 10, would you still be saying "it cannot be considered as a top 10 and you cannot add it to the list of consecutive top 10s as it was not officially released as a single"????' Or by contrary, you'd be celebratin that it's a top 10 and of course it can be added to the list because it means a lot of people downloaded the song and bla bla bla...???

 

Another example. If "Love is pain" (or love is the key, can't remember) had made the top 10 after the performance in the GA Party special (or whatever it was called), as many million of people saw the performance and loved the song, would you consider it as another top 10 in their career and would be saying that "as the times have changed and downloads are what matters now it is another top 10, bla bla bla???" or I am completely wrong???

 

I don't give a $h!t about it it is a top 10 or not, what i really hates is the hyprocresy of fans when they claim that crap of "not an official single, not physycal release", when if the result had been better they would be saying exactly the opposite.

 

 

but how can u even say ask or accuse hypocresy, when it hasn't happened? u r just after an argument!

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by Paulo

But the opposite DIDN'T happen so I don't really see what's worth arguing about. I'm not a Girls Aloud fan, I barely care for them at all. But I think it'd be absolutely ridiculous to call 'St. Trinians' a single!

 

In what way can it be called a single? Was the b-side to 'Bleeding Love' a single then? Of course it wasn't. It charted because of a freak event...

 

A single is something that's promoted by the band, played on the radio and shown on the music channels. Which of those applies to 'St. Trinians'? None of them, certainly not in any significant number and certainly not compared to even the least promoted of Girls Aloud's 'singles'...

 

 

Robin, answer me a question, please, and be sincere.

 

If TTTST had bein top 10, would you still be saying "it cannot be considered as a top 10 and you cannot add it to the list of consecutive top 10s as it was not officially released as a single"????' Or by contrary, you'd be celebratin that it's a top 10 and of course it can be added to the list because it means a lot of people downloaded the song and bla bla bla...???

 

Another example. If "Love is pain" (or love is the key, can't remember) had made the top 10 after the performance in the GA Party special (or whatever it was called), as many million of people saw the performance and loved the song, would you consider it as another top 10 in their career and would be saying that "as the times have changed and downloads are what matters now it is another top 10, bla bla bla???" or I am completely wrong???

 

I don't give a $h!t about it it is a top 10 or not, what i really hates is the hyprocresy of fans when they claim that crap of "not an official single, not physycal release", when if the result had been better they would be saying exactly the opposite.

 

This is just getting beyond irritating now.

 

You dont seem to register what anyone actually says. Yes if st trinians charted top ten, we would probably have counted it. BUT it depends on if the girls counted it and if the public counted it.

 

I know that a "single" as such doesnt need a physical release. OK? We know that.

 

But the british public class an old time single campaign as a cd release, promo dates, videos, radio play etc. This is why they dont count it!! They dont care about stupid new download rules. They want to praise GA for only ever getting top tens with proper single releases on cd. Not one of their singles has flopped.

 

So do you get it now? Its about the public perception ok? And despite what you think, you cannot change that, because the public will never take notice of a song that charted at 52 on downloads from an album. Got it?

no point even responding to this, selected facts, all with digging sentances, just purely for a reaction...

 

back to the loving kind.........

 

I agree, i am not even acknowledging that piece of dire rubbish

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by Robintime11

A single is something that's promoted by the band, played on the radio and shown on the music channels. Which of those applies to 'St. Trinians'? None of them, certainly not in any significant number and certainly not compared to even the least promoted of Girls Aloud's 'singles'...

 

Again, thank you, someone else that understands.

 

Then ask the Official UK Charts Company why they gave it a position on the Official UK SINGLES Chart - because that is the reason that the song will appear in the irrefutable Official records. It is in black and white as a fact which cannot be denied.

 

As far as any hypocrisy is concerned...it's more the sycophantic fans refusing to accept the true situation.

 

I have followed the chart for many years and would consider myself a music fan rather than being a fan of any particular artist (if any, possibly the Manic Street Preachers at one point :P ). I like a lot of the material that Girls Aloud have released, but the Official record exists and as I have said previously in another thread: unless the OCC backtrack and rewrite the charts in which the St Trinian's theme appeared the fact is that Girls Aloud's run of top ten hits has already been broken.

But the public havent acknowledged it as a proper single campaign release.

 

Seriously, are we all talking to brick walls here?

 

Because ya see when the xfactor goes out to 15 million people saying 18 consecutive hits, thats what people remember. Do you not see that? Maybe they are wrong but thats what they choose to say because like most other people, they dont think GA should be punished for having a download only album track stop a string of single release records.

 

 

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by Robintime11

I appear to be the one talking to a brick wall. It is written in the history of the charts, "public perception" cannot change that fact.

I appear to be the one talking to a brick wall. It is written in the history of the charts, "public perception" cannot change that fact.

 

Does everyone you meet talk facts? does the media only speak facts? Get real.

 

Everything in the media industry is ALL about public perception now :rolleyes:

 

Coz tell me, if its so serious that its written down in history, why do GA and all the TV shows and media get away with saying 19 consecutive top tens?

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by Robintime11

no point even responding to this, selected facts, all with digging sentances, just purely for a reaction...

 

back to the loving kind.........

 

LOL. Now, you've edited your post goin to "full of errors" to "selected facts".

 

That's the info I've got. If someone thinks that's wrong, come and tell me where it is. Most of the numbers are estimations.

 

1 - SOTUG - 600,000 #1

2- The Promise - 380,000 - #1

3 - CTS - 220,000 - #3

4- Jump - 197,000 - #2

5 - ISBY - 187,000 - #1

6- SKO - 185,000 - #3

7- Love Machine - 147,000 - #2

8- Noo good advice - 122,000 - #2

9- Biology - 120,000 - #4

10- Walk this way - #1 - 118,000 - #1

11- CSF - 118,000 - #9

12 - The Show - 90,000 - #2

13 - Life got cold - 85,000 - #3

14 - S!NNN - 85,000 - #5

15 - ITWAN - 74,000 - #4

16- Wake me up - 66,000 - #4

17 - See the day - 62,000 - #9

18- Long hot summer - 52,000 - #7

19- Whole lotta history - 43,000 - #6

20 - The Loving Kind - 35,000 - #29

---------------------------------------------

Total: 2,986,000 copies

 

SOTUG:350K

WWTNS: 570K

Chemistry: 370k

TSOGA: 1,000,000

TU: 450K

OOC: 650K

--------------------------

3,390,000 albums sold + 2,986,000 singles = 6,376,000 records sold in the UK

 

 

1- About you now - 420,000 (#1)

2- Push the buttom - 400,000 (#1)

3- Freak like me - 261,000 (#1)

4- Round Round - 244,000 (#1)

5- Girls - 163,000 (#3)

6- Hole in the head - 150,000 (#1)

7- Overload - 138,000 (#6)

8- Ugly - 132,000 (#3)

9- Walk this way - 118,000 (#1)

10- Stronger - 115,000 (#7)

11- Too lost in you - 75,000 (#10)

12- New Year - 75,000 (#12)

13- Red Dress - 74,000 (#4)

14- Change - 74,000 (#13)

15- Denial - 66,000 (#15)

16- Run for cover - 58,000 (#13)

17- In the middle - 44,000 (#8)

18- Shape - 42,000 (#11)

19- Easy - 36,000 (#8)

20- No Can Do - 32,000 (#23)

21- Caught in a moment - 32,000 (#8)

22- Follow me home - 14,000 (#32)

23- Soul Sound - 10,000 (#30)

-----------------------------------------

Total: 2,847,000 copies

 

(Figures provided by Music Week last October)

One Touch: 220,461

AWDF: 916,562

Three: 855,120

TIMW: 885,887

Overloaded: TSC: 598,690

Change: 503,854

C&S: 90,000

-----------------------------

Total: 4,070,574 albums sold + 2,847,000 singles= 6,917,000 records sold in the UK

 

Now, come and tell me again that what I've said that Sugababes have sold more albums and just 200k singles less is RUBBISH.

 

Til now, Sugababes are the most succesful band in the UK of this century. Like it or not. Period.

Til now, Sugababes are the most succesful band in the UK of this century. Like it or not. Period.

 

Ahhhh but what does past success really account for when your current album struggles to sell 100k and your singles flop?

 

The public obviously dont care what the sugababes have sold previously because nobody bought their new album.

 

In all honesty, i would say the saturdays are more successful at the moment than sugababes because gotta hand it to them, they are the ones selling records right now.

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by Robintime11

Does everyone you meet talk facts? does the media only speak facts? Get real.

 

Everything in the media industry is ALL about public perception now :rolleyes:

 

Coz tell me, if its so serious that its written down in history, why do GA and all the TV shows and media get away with saying 19 consecutive top tens?

 

They "get away" with it because no-one is that bothered by it to make a public outcry. When the media refer to the 19 consecutive top tens, they are in error...which is obviously unheard of! :rolleyes: But the Official UK Singles Chart history remains the factual evidence.

Ahhhh but what does past success really account for when your current album struggles to sell 100k and your singles flop?

 

The public obviously dont care what the sugababes have sold previously because nobody bought their new album.

 

Big LOL.

 

That's all you have to say???? When I first said the numbers you claimed them to be rubbish, now you answer like a school boy with "their latest album has flopped"... How old are you? 10?

 

I DO know their latest album have flopped, what's new??? Does it takes them out of the top of the biggest selling females band of the 21st century???

 

Maybe if the next GA album sells 800k copies and Sugababes does not release any more records the title of biggest selling girlgroup goes to them, but til now it is not.

 

We're not talking about their lastets albums we're talking about their career.

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by rub

^^ but no-one is disagrreing with you osker?

 

I admite officially that they are wrong but like i said, the media etc choose to ignore it and so i go along with them. St Trinians has been and gone now, the media class the promise as their 19th consecutive top 10 single, so for most people, thats it, end of.

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by Robintime11

Big LOL.

 

That's all you have to say???? When I first said the numbers you calimed them to be rubbish, now you answer like a school boy with "their latest album has flopped"... How old are you? 10?

 

I DO know their latest album have flopped, what's new??? Does it takes them out of the top of the biggest selling females vand of the 21st century???

 

Maybe if the next GA album sells 800k copies and Sugababes does not release any more records the title of biggest selling girlgroup goes to them, but til now it is not.

 

We're not talking about their lastets albums we're talking about their career.

 

But the sugababes do hold the record for being the biggest selling band of the 21st century, thats not an opinion, thats a fact.

 

But that doesnt make them a bigger band now. Its a fact that at this current time, GA are the biggest girl band in the UK. Their last album has outsold all the others and they have had the biggest single out of all the others.

Then ask the Official UK Charts Company why they gave it a position on the Official UK SINGLES Chart - because that is the reason that the song will appear in the irrefutable Official records. It is in black and white as a fact which cannot be denied.

 

As far as any hypocrisy is concerned...it's more the sycophantic fans refusing to accept the true situation.

 

I have followed the chart for many years and would consider myself a music fan rather than being a fan of any particular artist (if any, possibly the Manic Street Preachers at one point :P ). I like a lot of the material that Girls Aloud have released, but the Official record exists and as I have said previously in another thread: unless the OCC backtrack and rewrite the charts in which the St Trinian's theme appeared the fact is that Girls Aloud's run of top ten hits has already been broken.

It may have been IN the singles chart and it may have been a 'hit' but that still doesn't make it a single. Top 10 hits? Ok. Top 10 singles? Nah, that's still going. Let's fact it, the singles chart is only called that now. Realistically it's no longer a singles chart, but a tracks chart.

 

'Stairway To Heaven' was in the top 40 recently. Was that a single? Was the b-side to 'Bleeding Love' (a #46 hit) a single? Were every track off Arctic Monkeys second album singles, and all released in the same week too?

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by RabbitFurCoat

Girls Aloud are clearly the most successful Girl Group of All time

Sugababes have been for longer and Girls Aloud have caught up wityh their sales!

This time next year Girls Aloud will have taken over them :cheer:

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by SH0WST0PPER93

Girls Aloud are clearly the most successful Girl Group of All time

Sugababes have been for longer and Girls Aloud have caught up wityh their sales!

This time next year Girls Aloud will have taken over them :cheer:

 

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

Spice Girls have sold 7,545,898 singles in the UK

 

5,136,579 Albums

 

That is 12,682,477 records sold in the UK.

 

I should not have even answered to that stupid comment. The stupid comment ever.