Just reading another poster's comment in the 'overseas' chart thread - and am wondering ... will Take That ever have success again in Europe. It does seem after the buzz surrounding Patience ... while their success in the UK has been far greater than the first time round, Europe has certainly cooled down towards them. It seems that the only way Europe would become interested would be if Robbie re-joined them (which nobody - from either side - wants and it won't happen anyway.)

 

For instance - in Germany (which is probably the only foothold they have in Europe now) the position is like this:

 

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...p;#entry2328952

 

Speaking of different music tastes, just take a look at the #27 position where Take That enter with their newest single "Greatest Day". The guys may have a number one hit in the UK, but for now the single could not set the German charts on fire. The same thing happened with "Shine" last year, which peaked at the relatively low #21. And just for comparison, Robbie Williams, who I think the UK press has completely written off over the last years, has had 11 top ten singles in Germany, compared to 5 of Take That...

 

What do y'all think?

 

Norma

Edited December 8, 200816 yr by Norma_Snockers

They must do a lot of promotion or do something really really bad and controverse! :naughty:

 

Amy WInehouse didn't have at the begininng success with her album in Germany, but after she was every week in Vanity Fair and every magazine!

 

Do you know, i think it is ok if they are not overhyped in whole Europe, but with a normal audience. I prefer good music to popular, if i am honest. They should also not concentrate only on Germany and Italy but to promote even in East Europe. The eastier are very chuffed when a big act comes and the more countries they get attention the more lasting will be their carrier. I know that Howard and Mark are very found of Germany, but they should try to have more presence in the small countries, or in France, Spain, even Russia. You will laugh, but their music i am sure would appeal a lot to latin people and to east Europe, as these poeple didn't fear to like a good pop song. But, promotion is the key word. When they came back they have the promotion of the news, now they are to setteled and invisible to the media ... Robbie has his alliens, and he is a very smart boy as he is keeping in the media. But TT are too normal. So they must promote like hell instead! :lol:

Do you know, i think it is ok if they are not overhyped in whole Europe, but with a normal audience. I prefer good music to popular, if i am honest. They should also not concentrate only on Germany and Italy but to promote even in East Europe.

 

I totally disagree with that - I think it would be a total waste of time. I've watched their progress in the East European charts since the comeback and I have to agree with their decision to just give up before beginning there! :lol: In contrast ... I think that they should consolidate in the countries that they do have some sort of following such as Germany and Italy and maybe just wait and see what happens in countries like The Netherlands, Belgium and the Scandinavian countries. They're not getting any younger ... so I honestly think they're happy with the UK and just a couple of European countries (besides ... Polydor will NOT spend money on promoting them anyway - and you can't expect Gary to break into his savings to pay for the promo! Even though, I'm sure he could afford it! :lol: )

 

I would like to see them make a gentle probe into the soft underbelly of France though, especially as Gary and his family spend quite a bit of time there.

 

Norma

 

You forget that what is out of sight is out of mind. They were NEVER to the east. Even Michael Jackson, Depeche, Pavarotti came to Romania, but TT not. And Russia is not to throw away. Don't look at the charts, they say nothing in East Europe (only the airplay). I know a lot of people who won't buy an original CD but will go to the concert and spent a lot of money for it :teresa: . Somehow in Germany you should be overyhyped in USA or very very well know in the rest of Europe to make it big. I don't know way is like that....but when something succed everywhere in Europe, then succedd also in Germany. That is my impression, Tina may correct me.

 

But if you want to be an international act, you should not restrain yourself to 3-4 countries. I think Britney get it right with flying all over and promoting and she has already the USA over hype...and with an average song hitting big.

 

It is up to TT how much they want to be known in Europe, but keep in mind that Euorpe is not only Germany, UK and Italy and the east has a great and increasing power.

It is up to TT how much they want to be known in Europe, but keep in mind that Euorpe is not only Germany, UK and Italy and the east has a great and increasing power.

 

I think that is the crux of the matter ... I don't think they're hungry for that now. Apparently they've been offered loads of money to play this that and the other over Xmas and the New Year ... but they've all turned it down to be with their families ... and who can blame them. In some respects I admire Rob (don't tell anyone I said this) for spending time with himself and friends rather than the constant grind, and sometimes thanklessness of work. I think after the next tour ... Take That should really take a full two years out before the next album ... and then maybe go out with a bang! Even if it is only in the UK (and a bit of Germany and Italy).

 

Norma

 

 

i agree they arent goona take on too much as they said the differnce in take that phase 2 is that it isnt their lives like it was the last time

i agree they arent goona take on too much as they said the differnce in take that phase 2 is that it isnt their lives like it was the last time

 

Agreed ... they see it as a hobby now ... not a job ... and I don't think anyone would want to work their arses off half-way round the world just for a hobby!

 

Norma

exactly and likewise they dont need to as they have enough money im sure

It looks like the album will be enter the german charts at #14, which is I think really god for just doing on TV show as promotion.

And with another one doing in two weeks it will hopefull sell a few more albums.

 

Personal I think TT don´t want to have sucess outside the UK, its nice if it happen, but its not nessasary for them anymore. Patience was different to see, as it was the comeback single and every mag, tv show, news reported about the lads being back together.

They have sucess in the german radio´s I would say, they keep on playing the songs over and over - even Greatest Day :P

 

 

It looks like the album will be enter the german charts at #14, which is I think really god for just doing on TV show as promotion.

And with another one doing in two weeks it will hopefull sell a few more albums.

 

Personal I think TT don´t want to have sucess outside the UK, its nice if it happen, but its not nessasary for them anymore. Patience was different to see, as it was the comeback single and every mag, tv show, news reported about the lads being back together.

They have sucess in the german radio´s I would say, they keep on playing the songs over and over - even Greatest Day :P

 

That's exactly the point. As long as they're having a good time and producing good stuff then I'm happy!

 

Norma

 

they also do well in Ireland lets not forget but apart from concerts i dont think they would make a lot of money from sales here as i think irish sales are generally very low as we have a small population

Well although the single has plummeted from the German chart at least the album has entered at number 14 - lets hope it can stick there for a couple of weeks.

 

Norma

Europe has got a huge success potential, and limiting it to the UK (even though UK market is of course homeland and it'll always remain the most important one) is logically incorrect!:)

 

I think for the wider domination the lads are AUGHT to be heading to the EU!! As concerts, like with BW tour, will be sold out as fast as the UK ones this year, last year and the year 2006!!

 

Please, oh PLEASE come to EUROPE!!!!

Europe has got a huge success potential, and limiting it to the UK (even though UK market is of course homeland and it'll always remain the most important one) is logically incorrect!:)

 

I think for the wider domination the lads are AUGHT to be heading to the EU!! As concerts, like with BW tour, will be sold out as fast as the UK ones this year, last year and the year 2006!!

 

Please, oh PLEASE come to EUROPE!!!!

 

But they did include Europe on the last tour and apart from Denmark, Germany and one or two in Italy - I think they had only three quarter full arenas. This next tour is going to be so expensive to put on (I fear they may even make a loss on it anyway - sold out or not) that they have to be guaranteed sell-outs. And I am sorry to admit ... but they will never be big enough in Europe to do that. They may do a scaled-down tour (but this is something that Mark would hate to do - it isn't fair to the European fans that Take That have ... and I agree with him 100%).

 

Norma

Edited December 21, 200816 yr by Norma_Snockers

I think they had only three quarter full arenas

 

Where did you get your information from? I mean like they have no success outside the Uk, they had half empty venues because very few people bothered to go and see them ??? This is utterly not true. You have to understand that things are different outside the Uk. You don't necessary need to sell out million albums in a few days. It's enough to have decent airplay on tv and radio.Don't get me wrong i know you don't mean it but sometimes you sound as if you want to put the boys down.. That's the impression i sometimes get..

Where did you get your information from? I mean like they have no success outside the Uk, they had half empty venues because very few people bothered to go and see them ??? This is utterly not true. You have to understand that things are different outside the Uk. You don't necessary need to sell out million albums in a few days. It's enough to have decent airplay on tv and radio.Don't get me wrong i know you don't mean it but sometimes you sound as if you want to put the boys down.. That's the impression i sometimes get..

 

Just digging out old posts for the sake of it. But as Europe is coming to the fore it seems like a good time to dig out this one. The 'three quarter full arenas' was actually from fans in Europe (in Italy and Spain especially) via the official site ... who actually said this. I know personally from a friend (who I went to one of the Manchester gigs with) - she went to one of the Spanish ones and said it was barely three quarters full. I don't want to put the boys down ... I'm just being realistic here. Besides ... the 'commercial' success they have in the UK and Ireland makes them a much more efficient money-spinning prospect than some acts that achieve more success than TT in Europe and beyond.

 

I think what I'm trying to say is ... lads ... don't put yourselves out ... take it easy and concentrate on enhancing your popularity in the UK.

 

Norma

Edited April 2, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers

To say something about the BW Tour 2 years ago.

 

All arenas in Germany were sold really good I would say, you couldn´t spot many empty seats

 

The problem with Spain was, that they had sold out an arena, and then moved the show to a twice size one - without putting any advers of the concert on, so not many more tickets got sold.

In Italy was the problem the lack of promotion, nearly no adverts and so on, so even people who had loved to see them, but didn´t been so "hardcore" fans knew that they were in town, and found it out as it was to late - after the show actually.

 

I know a lot of people who didn´t bought the album or singles, but would love to see them again on stage - but in my mind europe is at the moment out of their mind. Thy can´t do the same tour again as they have done in the UK over here, and why touring again in spring/summer time with the same songs and thinking again what to do, if you know that a lot of the people already had seen the shows in the UK or the dvd and expecting a certain level.

 

thats very true and plus the lads themslves wouldnt do that either as it would be like repeating for them, down the road they need to do a proper tour of europe otherwise they shouldnt bother,if the european tours were as well thought out as the uk tours there would be no problems at all