but the point is that no one cared about them not contributing to the music... and whether or not you like them, they are/were some of the biggest and most influencial artists in music ever.

 

I very much question the "influential" aspect to Cliff or Tom Jones..... I've never heard of really ANY act from today who says they were 'inspired' by Cliff or Tom as such.... Elvis, well, he really was pretty much the first teenage pop star and initiated the "rock n roll" rebellion and the cult of the teenager, so I give him credit for that if nothing else... But, at the end of the day, Elvis still dumbed down a lot of superior black Blues music like Howlin' Wolf, Robert Johnson and John Lee Hooker..... And I'm pretty sure Elvis did actually write some of his own material anyway....

 

Sinatra never "sold out" as such, because he never really "sold in".... He was never part of this whole "teenage rebellion" thing, which is kinda what Pop and Rock are all about surely....

 

I very much question the "influential" aspect to Cliff or Tom Jones..... I've never heard of really ANY act from today who says they were 'inspired' by Cliff or Tom as such.... Elvis, well, he really was pretty much the first teenage pop star and initiated the "rock n roll" rebellion and the cult of the teenager, so I give him credit for that if nothing else... But, at the end of the day, Elvis still dumbed down a lot of superior black Blues music like Howlin' Wolf, Robert Johnson and John Lee Hooker..... And I'm pretty sure Elvis did actually write some of his own material anyway....

 

Sinatra never "sold out" as such, because he never really "sold in".... He was never part of this whole "teenage rebellion" thing, which is kinda what Pop and Rock are all about surely....

 

rik liked cliff!!!! :lol:

rik liked cliff!!!! :lol:

 

"Rik" was taking the p!ss though..... :P

 

Bear in mind that in the "Living Doll" vid, Vivian batters Cliff on the head with a bat...... :lol: The Young Ones somewhat took over that song...

 

anyway.... ive been thinking about this topic.

 

holding bananarama up as some sort of punk ethically motivated self determining warriors of girl music is actually something i dont agree with.

 

punk?.... bollocks they were! they were contemporary dressed people of their generation (fair do's) and they may well have started off on the back of the most fashionable punk times.

 

but what other punk based/sired act went on to court commercialism in the way they did?..... NONE! siouxsie?.... nahhhh, she kept her own (self created) identity throughout, so whilst she chased commercial success she didnt sell out (like the boomtown rats did for eg).

 

bananarama set out to make money.... nothing else, as i see it, they were more closely aligned to THATCHER then lydon.

anyway.... ive been thinking about this topic.

 

holding bananarama up as some sort of punk ethically motivated self determining warriors of girl music is actually something i dont agree with.

 

punk?.... bollocks they were! they were contemporary dressed people of their generation (fair do's) and they may well have started off on the back of the most fashionable punk times.

 

but what other punk based/sired act went on to court commercialism in the way they did?..... NONE! siouxsie?.... nahhhh, she kept her own (self created) identity throughout, so whilst she chased commercial success she didnt sell out (like the boomtown rats did for eg).

 

bananarama set out to make money.... nothing else, as i see it, they were more closely aligned to THATCHER then lydon.

 

what? no takers?...:lol:

but what other punk based/sired act went on to court commercialism in the way they did?..... NONE! siouxsie?.... nahhhh, she kept her own (self created) identity throughout, so whilst she chased commercial success she didnt sell out (like the boomtown rats did for eg).

 

Erm... Adam Ant? Toyah? Bow Wow Wow? Sure some others will come to mind.

 

 

Erm... Adam Ant? Toyah? Bow Wow Wow? Sure some others will come to mind.

 

nahhhh they were 'one trick ponies' who didnt change and were over after a couple of years, unlike bananabints who started out accompanying fun boy three, then they had a period on their own before joining watertwat ... a chart career 5 times longer then those you mentioned... and more successful.

 

ok adam ant did do solo material well into the 90's, but it was hardly a commercial succes.

nahhhh they were 'one trick ponies' who didnt change and were over after a couple of years, unlike bananabints who started out accompanying fun boy three, then they had a period on their own before joining watertwat ... a chart career 5 times longer then those you mentioned... and more successful.

 

ok adam ant did do solo material well into the 90's, but it was hardly a commercial succes.

 

I didn't realise longevity was a qualification just punks lusting after big bucks.

 

And then you could add Billy idol to the list.

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I didn't realise longevity was a qualification just punks lusting after big bucks.

 

And then you could add Billy idol to the list.

 

... the point i was making is that they changed everyway they could, to court popularity, commercial success, as long as they could to make as much money as they could. no other post punk band has courted the pop market in such a way, punk and post punk groups did what they did, had their say for as long as they could, then split.

 

billy idol?... nah... he stuck to what he did, as did u2, hugely successful making more money (no doubt) then the bananabints but they stayed true to their original rock premis. they didnt play to the 'kids' through pop in the way the bananabints did.

 

the charge stands.... they were more aligned to thatcher and thatcherism the to lydon and free thinking, artistic expression that was the punk ethos.

I would put Keren and the blonde one in that category but Siobhan Fahey seemed to have more scruples than the other two.

I would put Keren and the blonde one in that category but Siobhan Fahey seemed to have more scruples than the other two.

 

it took her long enough to find them and get out though didnt it! and not before her bank balance was veryhealthy! :lol:

Yeah she did leave after Venus and the SAW produced Wow but at least she had the gumption to get out because she did not like the direction they were taking.

 

Before Venus they were actually quite a good group and no less manufactured than The Spice Girls, Girls Aloud, etc.

they didnt play to the 'kids' through pop in the way the bananabints did.

 

the charge stands.... they were more aligned to thatcher and thatcherism the to lydon and free thinking, artistic expression that was the punk ethos.

 

Bananarama's 'crime' is they discovered the pink pound... far from courting the kids... they blatantly went for the gay market - probably one of the first bands to openly do so, too.

 

As for the Thatcher comment... I think you'll find Bananarama were pretty left wing - and still are More than most bands in their position, I'd say Bananarama were in it for the fun of it - if they were rampant money-chasers, I don't think they'd have been so raging drunk for every Top of the Pops appearance, they wouldn't have been so allegedly stroppy with journalists and the media, they'd have chased the American market (especially after having a number one there - they didn't... why? "We couldn't be bothered - too far away from home for us"), they certainly wouldn't have made a comeback album produced by one of Killing Joke with Sex Pistols' ex-drummer that trounced all over their poppier hits and was distinctly uncommercial.... plus - they'd have done what every single one of these tatty girlbands do - get their baps out for the lads rags. Dspite being pretty great looking..... none of them did that - no tits, no bikinis, no gaenacological photoshoots. So surely there has to be some fair-do's here.

 

And the irony of the comment regarding Siobhan Fahey is that it was her idea they work with SAW in the first place.... she loved their work with Divine and Dead or Alive and wanted their version of Venus to sound like You Spin Me Round.... ;)

Yeah she did leave after Venus and the SAW produced Wow but at least she had the gumption to get out because she did not like the direction they were taking.

 

Before Venus they were actually quite a good group and no less manufactured than The Spice Girls, Girls Aloud, etc.

 

fahey left 2 years after 'venus', in 88 ..... tbh i dont actually believe she left 'because of the direction they were taking', i mean, what direction was that? they had already courted the pink pound and released some incredibly cheesy pop songs... cant get much lower then that! :lol:

 

i seem to recall summut about them falling out....

 

anyway yep they did some ok tracks, and some godamn awful stuff

Bananarama's 'crime' is they discovered the pink pound... far from courting the kids... they blatantly went for the gay market - probably one of the first bands to openly do so, too.

 

As for the Thatcher comment... I think you'll find Bananarama were pretty left wing - and still are More than most bands in their position, I'd say Bananarama were in it for the fun of it - if they were rampant money-chasers, I don't think they'd have been so raging drunk for every Top of the Pops appearance, they wouldn't have been so allegedly stroppy with journalists and the media, they'd have chased the American market (especially after having a number one there - they didn't... why? "We couldn't be bothered - too far away from home for us"), they certainly wouldn't have made a comeback album produced by one of Killing Joke with Sex Pistols' ex-drummer that trounced all over their poppier hits and was distinctly uncommercial.... plus - they'd have done what every single one of these tatty girlbands do - get their baps out for the lads rags. Dspite being pretty great looking..... none of them did that - no tits, no bikinis, no gaenacological photoshoots. So surely there has to be some fair-do's here.

 

And the irony of the comment regarding Siobhan Fahey is that it was her idea they work with SAW in the first place.... she loved their work with Divine and Dead or Alive and wanted their version of Venus to sound like You Spin Me Round.... ;)

 

:lol:

 

my comment was rather tongue in cheek....lol.. yeah i know they are left wing, but they DID turn themselves into a money making machine, which was pure thatcherism.

 

yep, i fully agree and credit them for having the dignity to keep their clothes ON! and they were sexy because of it!

 

if thats true about fahey then why did they split? i mean, if she steered them in that direction how come she appears to fall out about it? odd...

 

Siobhan left because the other 2 girls hated her new husband Dave Stewart... who apparently thought his wife being in somethng as insubstantial as Bananarama was "embarrassing". :rolleyes:

 

They didn't speak for almost 10 years, too, til after Siobhan divorced Stewart.

:lol:

 

my comment was rather tongue in cheek....lol.. yeah i know they are left wing, but they DID turn themselves into a money making machine, which was pure thatcherism.

 

yep, i fully agree and credit them for having the dignity to keep their clothes ON! and they were sexy because of it!

 

if thats true about fahey then why did they split? i mean, if she steered them in that direction how come she appears to fall out about it? odd...

 

As part of the late 1990s "Young Guns Go For It" series profiling 1980s UK acts; where all three original Rama's were interviewed in a pub, and as the show went on the more empty pint glasses could been seen as they became more candid & lucid.

 

The split occurred for two reasons:

 

1. Because her marriage to Dave Stewart meant she was spending more time away from the other two who were always close friends.

 

2. Siobhan wanted the band to ditch working with PWL due to SAW's association "with Neighbours & Rick Astley" and work with Killing Joke bassist Martin Glover (aka Youth) as recommended by then husband Dave Stewart. Of course the other two Bristolian childhood friends were unprepared at the time to work with a then untried new producer, so Siobhan quit and formed Shakespears Sister with former Eric Clapton, Tom Petty & Bob Dylan backing vocalist Marcella Detroit.

 

Of course after Youth had production success with Blue Pearl (remember "Naked In The Rain") & Zoe ("Sunshine On A Rainy Day"), Keren & Sara used the services of the producer whom Siobhan left the band over them not using in the first place! Which annoyed Siobhan even more at the time.....

As part of the late 1990s "Young Guns Go For It" series profiling 1980s UK acts; where all three original Rama's were interviewed in a pub, and as the show went on the more empty pint glasses could been seen as they became more candid & lucid.

 

The split occurred for two reasons:

 

1. Because her marriage to Dave Stewart meant she was spending more time away from the other two who were always close friends.

 

2. Siobhan wanted the band to ditch working with PWL due to SAW's association "with Neighbours & Rick Astley" and work with Killing Joke bassist Martin Glover (aka Youth) as recommended by then husband Dave Stewart. Of course the other two Bristolian childhood friends were unprepared at the time to work with a then untried new producer, so Siobhan quit and formed Shakespears Sister with former Eric Clapton, Tom Petty & Bob Dylan backing vocalist Marcella Detroit.

 

Of course after Youth had production success with Blue Pearl (remember "Naked In The Rain") & Zoe ("Sunshine On A Rainy Day"), Keren & Sara used the services of the producer whom Siobhan left the band over them not using in the first place! Which annoyed Siobhan even more at the time.....

 

thanks for that richard :)

 

Bananarama's 'crime' is they discovered the pink pound... far from courting the kids... they blatantly went for the gay market - probably one of the first bands to openly do so, too.

 

well its true that i personally didnt really like the camped up pop material that emerged in the 80's, be it divine :puke2:, bananarama, erasure, comunards etc etc etc, but that wasnt because they were gay or targeted gay audiences . we all knew as long ago as the 60's that gay people liked pop music and it made no difference IF an artist was gay or not. (well to me anyway). its the camp style of music that doesnt do it for me, after all, i liked culture club, visage, etc and it was no secret that they were gay!