i wish you had read the thread then you wouldnt post this nonsense.

 

to clarify..... since when have rich british men killed elephants for food? <_<

I don't speak nonsence, you just misread what I was saying <_< I followed the thread from the start, as you can see. Point was that you guys were making such a huge deal of what is an almost legal business in Africa.. Not only foreigners do it but members of the African government etc and in the end as much as loss it is to the environment it ends up being benefitial for those in poverty etc.. I was comparing this to things that are even more common and even more worse..

This does NOT mean, however, that a bunch of rich tourists can just blithely go in there and do their own thing, surely this is historically part of Africa's problem, rich outsiders thinking they can do what they like and to hell with the feelings of the indigenous population. It certainly is not a case of necessity for these classes to do what they do, it's more a case of "I say Carruthers, I'm rather bored, let's bally well go out to the dark continent and kill something, not because we have to, but because we're rich, upper class twits and that's what rich, upper class twits do, shoot things.....".

Humans.... We're bloody idiots sometimes......

I agree.. And the truth is most of the time the indigenous people are the masterminds behind these sports for the foreigners. With the new governments in South Africa, Zim etc the farmers and white people were forced off their land/farms etc and the indigenous people since took over. Now it's complete chaos.. The INDIGENOUS people would poach/hijack wildlife such as elephant and large rare antelope, rhino etc from game reserves and then make deals with for example these british guys and then laugh their ways home with a box full of beer. As much as the heartless foreigners are to blame, so are the indigenous people and yet no environmental laws get passed that actually can control all these crimes to an even small extent.. I mean there are locals who have recently poisoned the Olifants river, the river with probably one of the largest populations of Nile Crocodile which killed basically every croc in it and then locals skin the dead carcasses and trade them with the chinese or whoever. This all in the end gets covered up by the Department of Environmental Affairs saying ''it is just a minor pollution issue'' meanwhile they're getting their pay cheques for being involved in the majority of such environmental crimes..

I don't speak nonsence, you just misread what I was saying <_< I followed the thread from the start, as you can see. Point was that you guys were making such a huge deal of what is an almost legal business in Africa.. Not only foreigners do it but members of the African government etc and in the end as much as loss it is to the environment it ends up being benefitial for those in poverty etc.. I was comparing this to things that are even more common and even more worse..

 

the thread was one being critical of british hunters killing elephants, not the african native population... theres little condemnation of them doing it, its their land, their life, their right... it ISNT 'done' for rich british/westerners to do it.

 

I agree.. And the truth is most of the time the indigenous people are the masterminds behind these sports for the foreigners. With the new governments in South Africa, Zim etc the farmers and white people were forced off their land/farms etc and the indigenous people since took over. Now it's complete chaos.. The INDIGENOUS people would poach/hijack wildlife such as elephant and large rare antelope, rhino etc from game reserves and then make deals with for example these british guys and then laugh their ways home with a box full of beer. As much as the heartless foreigners are to blame, so are the indigenous people and yet no environmental laws get passed that actually can control all these crimes to an even small extent.. I mean there are locals who have recently poisoned the Olifants river, the river with probably one of the largest populations of Nile Crocodile which killed basically every croc in it and then locals skin the dead carcasses and trade them with the chinese or whoever. This all in the end gets covered up by the Department of Environmental Affairs saying ''it is just a minor pollution issue'' meanwhile they're getting their pay cheques for being involved in the majority of such environmental crimes..

 

And a lot of times, where are these paychecks coming from.....? From Western Multinational corporations Kath.... Look at Shell in Nigeria as one of the more notorious examples.... Environmental laws dont get passed in Africa/third world countries mainly because of the disproportionate influence of multinationals, and let's not forget the IMF/World Bank who place very stringent pre-conditions upon "aid" and "loans" to the third world.... Fledgling nations in Africa have very often found themselves between a rock and a hard place, it's easy to point to Mugabe and proclaim him as being the "evil one" responsible for all Africa's problems, but the facts are, even if he wasn't there, the exploitation of Africa would still go on because this is how the vested political and business interests in the West want it.... <_<

 

you show a startling lack of knowlege for environmental issues.... true mother nature will balance itself out.... after the ever expanding elephant population has eaten itself to starvation... the ultimate result of unfettered population control, you will be left with hundereds of starving, suffering, malnourished elephants in a dessert where smaller spieciese have been pushed to extinction through habitat loss.

 

not our problem?.... well it IS, after all if 'we' had never brought africa into the modern age and left it in the stoneage, there would be no tea, coffee, citrus fruits, soya, tobacco, exotic crops as the african countryside would be wild, full of predators, and the elephant population would be controled by natural means. we upset the balance through agriculture for the 'tea and fags' you consume so its our resposibility to manage the unbalance we caused.

 

Yes, culling elephants is a FANTASTIC way to do that as well.

 

And just because my opinion differs from yours, that doesn't mean I lack knowledge in the subject.