no one complains about the REAL race hate going on behind closed doors of the mosque towards us.

 

or indeed the REAL race hate of people like Nick Griffin and the BNP, whom you defend as a "legit" political party, I mean he walks away from court for obvious hate-speech, yet Abu Hamza didn't..... -_- That's surely hypocrisy, yet you defend the legitimacy of the BNP while at the same time condemning Muslim leaders...... That's a tad hypocritical.... Me, I reckon BOTH should be sharing a fukkin' cell.... With any luck they would've killed one another by now and we'd be rid of TWO racist scumbags..... :rolleyes:

Had say Matt Lucas been a guest, do you honestly think the BBC would have broadcasted that on the same show?

 

Matt Lucas is another employee of the beeb thought Rich.... :rolleyes: And, considering some of the pretty borderline dodgy stuff on "Little Britain" that they get away with (such as the old upper-crust white woman who vomits when she finds out a cake has been baked by an Indian girl, or indeed Marjorie Dawes), well, yeah, I kinda think they would tbh.....

 

And, remember Papa Lazarou from "League of Gentlemen".....?

 

So, given these two examples, I dont really believe that the Beeb is nearly as "PC" as you and Rob make out.....

Matt Lucas is another employee of the beeb thought Rich.... :rolleyes: And, considering some of the pretty borderline dodgy stuff on "Little Britain" that they get away with, well, yeah, I kinda think they would tbh.....

 

And, remember Papa Lazarou from "League of Gentlemen".....?

 

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:P

 

That is why I deliberately choose him & David Walliams as an example.

 

I found the character of Desiree (from Series 3 of Little Britain) 100 times more offensive than some cuddly toy that I grew up associating with Robertsons Jam.

 

But apparently this is supposed to be funny:

 

 

Personally I found it vulgar, unfunny & offensive, belonging to a very bad episode of "It Ain't Half Hot Mum".

 

 

This shows the left-wing hypocrisy of what has happened regarding the daughter of Margaret Thatcher. Who launched a career not through her mum but on the back of coming from 50/1 rank outsider to win I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here because of her plummy voiced upper class British eccentricity.

After all it was easy to see why she was the Black Rainbow coloured sheep of the family. as unlike her mum, dad & brother, she came across as a really decent person & a go getter, who always took things in her stride including the Bush Tucker Trials.

 

As for Papa Lazarou from "League of Gentlemen"..... as that entire wonderful series was so twisted, surreal and warped to me it is "unreality". Therefore it cannot cause offense in a normal every day context.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/its-a-trap.jpg

 

:P

 

That is why I deliberately choose him & David Walliams as an example.

 

I found the character of Desiree (from Series 3 of Little Britain) 100 times more offensive than some cuddly toy that I grew up associating with Robertsons Jam.

 

But apparently this is supposed to be funny:

 

 

Personally I found it vulgar, unfunny & offensive, belonging to a very bad episode of "It Ain't Half Hot Mum".

This shows the left-wing hypocrisy of what has happened regarding the daughter of Margaret Thatcher. Who launched a career not through her mum but on the back of coming from 50/1 rank outsider to win I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here because of her plummy voiced upper class British eccentricity.

After all it was easy to see why she was the Black Rainbow coloured sheep of the family. as unlike her mum, dad & brother, she came across as a really decent person & a go getter, who always took things in her stride including the Bush Tucker Trials.

 

As for Papa Lazarou from "League of Gentlemen"..... as that entire wonderful series was so twisted, surreal and warped to me it is "unreality". Therefore it cannot cause offense in a normal every day context.

That's nonsense. She made name as a journalist on the back of her mother's name. If she hadn't done that she would never have been on If I'm A Celebrity What Am I doing Here? She may have raised her profile by being on that programme but, like most people on it, she had already made a name for herself and then started to retreat into obscurity.

Edited February 4, 200916 yr by Suedehead2

After all the BBC can can have US comedian Chris Rock as a guest on Graham Norton's BBC2 show and compare a certain Caucasian Scottish World #4 Tennis player with a golliwog and broadcast it, yet the daughter of Margaret Thatcher gets sacked for comparing the same Scottish Tennis player with the same toy associated with Robertson jam in a private conversation.

 

In short this is political correctness at its most disgusting hypocritical worst.

What are you on about? The comment wasn't about Andy Murray at all... it was about Gael Monfils, who actually is black. And I can't see how someone can describe her comment as simply "un-PC"... describing a black person as a golliwog seems simply like straight-up racism to me. I fail to see what possible subtle humour one could interpret from it?

I understand where Grimly is coming from here with how Carol probably should know better, but the reaction to this is slightly over the top. No way does Carol deserve to be sacked over such a minor issue.

This shows the left-wing hypocrisy of what has happened regarding the daughter of Margaret Thatcher. Who launched a career not through her mum but on the back of coming from 50/1 rank outsider to win I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here because of her plummy voiced upper class British eccentricity.

 

So not true - she was invited to star in I'm a Celeb purely to see if she was really as bitter, evil and nasty as her vile mother. To see if there could possibly be 2 devils in one family.

 

As it happens - on screen she came across more like her father - upper-crust and toe-curlingly stupid.

twas on breafast tv this morning

 

she apparently made the comment in the 'green room' after the one show, in front of a dozen people, some of which were offended. so it WASNT really a 'private' convo, and it was her insistance that she would NOT apologise that got her the sack...

 

under these circumstances i change my mind... she was wrong.

twas on breafast tv this morning

 

she apparently made the comment in the 'green room' after the one show, in front of a dozen people, some of which were offended. so it WASNT really a 'private' convo, and it was her insistance that she would NOT apologise that got her the sack...

 

under these circumstances i change my mind... she was wrong.

 

EXACTLY..... She could have just said, "yeah, okay, my bad" and that probably would've been an end to it... But, she has the bloody-mindedness of her mother, the arrogance to believe that she and she alone is always right and never wrong.... About anything.....

 

That's nonsense. She made name as a journalist on the back of her mother's name. If she hadn't done that she would never have been on If I'm A Celebrity What Am I doing Here?

 

Spot on... WTF are you on about Rich....? Carol Thatcher was already an established media slag purely on the back of her fukkin' mother..... Writing columns for the very same right wing rags who were kissing her mother's arse for 11 years...... <_<

 

Most of the time, you're spot on, but on this issue, you've really just lost it, and you have nothing to back your claims..... Thatcher was given an opportunity to apoloigise to the BBC for her comments, she refused, she was sacked, she clearly has the bloody mindedness and arrogance of her mother.... Simple internal disciplinery matter which would've happened to ANYONE, especially given that the Beeb actually gave her a way to get herself off the hook, but unlike Jonathan Ross (who DID apologize) SHE obviously felt that SHE was too bloody important to apologise "Oh, one's mater was once Prime Minister you know, la-de-dah, so I'm far too important to say sowwy", and of course she knew that all her mum's chums in the right wing press (and SIR Norman Tebbit no less.... :rolleyes: ) would come flying to her rescue like flies to a steaming pile of dog sh!t...... Fukk all "PC" about it, she got sacked for her own hubris and sense of self-importance.... And the "joke" wasn't as "private" as you or the right wing gutter press who continue to worship the name "Thatcher" make it out to be..... <_< Well done Rich, you've just fallen for the usual round of Daily Mail/Express sh!te of "beeb-bashing", the new pastime since The Hutton Report...... :rolleyes:

 

And, as Danny says, calling a BLACK tennis player a "golliwog" is pure, unadulterated fukkin' RACISM, you know, because of the use of "wog", MIGHT give you some sort of clue......

As for Papa Lazarou from "League of Gentlemen"..... as that entire wonderful series was so twisted, surreal and warped to me it is "unreality". Therefore it cannot cause offense in a normal every day context.

 

So, your opinion is that "Little Britain" wasn't a similarly warped, twisted and surreal picture of unreality.... Because that's kind of how I took it..... My only real issue with LB was the fact that they got way too repetitive and ran out of ideas.....

 

And, as Danny says, calling a BLACK tennis player a "golliwog" is pure, unadulterated fukkin' RACISM, you know, because of the use of "wog", MIGHT give you some sort of clue......

doesn't WOG mean Western Oriented (?) Gentleman

 

I know it's a highly racist term used down under, some kind soul left a coment on a youtub video of Gabriella Cilmi calling her a wog. <_<

Adrian Chiles has gone on the record, and I quote.....

 

'Carol was in full flow, talking about who'd win the Australian Open,' he revealed in a column for a national newspaper.

He wrote that Ms Thatcher had said: 'You also have to consider the frogs. You know, that froggy golliwog guy.'

 

Jo Brand was so incensed, she reacted by walking off the set shortly after the comment was made.....

 

Er, right, so, where, exactly is the supposedly "humourous, romanticised harking back to childhood concerning Robinson's jam jars" and all that sh!t used by her PR team to try and deflect from what basically IS a pretty fukkin' insulting, nasty and racist comment about a black tennis player......?

 

So, howabout we actually STOP making excuses for this vile bint and actually see her for what she is..... She deserved to be sacked, there's really no apology that can be made to justify that sort of racist cr@p, especially when they keep on insisting that it was "just a joke" and all a "harmless" reference to fukkin' jam jars and have absolutely no regard for the fact that people on the set WERE offended by the comment..... I'm surprised that Jo Brand didn't slap her tbh.....

Adrian Chiles has gone on the record, and I quote.....

 

'Carol was in full flow, talking about who'd win the Australian Open,' he revealed in a column for a national newspaper.

He wrote that Ms Thatcher had said: 'You also have to consider the frogs. You know, that froggy golliwog guy.'

 

Jo Brand was so incensed, she reacted by walking off the set shortly after the comment was made.....

 

Er, right, so, where, exactly is the supposedly "humourous, romanticised harking back to childhood concerning Robinson's jam jars" and all that sh!t used by her PR team to try and deflect from what basically IS a pretty fukkin' insulting, nasty and racist comment about a black tennis player......?

 

So, howabout we actually STOP making excuses for this vile bint and actually see her for what she is..... She deserved to be sacked, there's really no apology that can be made to justify that sort of racist cr@p, especially when they keep on insisting that it was "just a joke" and all a "harmless" reference to fukkin' jam jars and have absolutely no regard for the fact that people on the set WERE offended by the comment..... I'm surprised that Jo Brand didn't slap her tbh.....

 

but why hasnt she been bollocked for calling the french 'frogs'?....

 

Adrian Chiles has gone on the record, and I quote.....

 

'Carol was in full flow, talking about who'd win the Australian Open,' he revealed in a column for a national newspaper.

He wrote that Ms Thatcher had said: 'You also have to consider the frogs. You know, that froggy golliwog guy.'

 

Jo Brand was so incensed, she reacted by walking off the set shortly after the comment was made.....

 

Er, right, so, where, exactly is the supposedly "humourous, romanticised harking back to childhood concerning Robinson's jam jars" and all that sh!t used by her PR team to try and deflect from what basically IS a pretty fukkin' insulting, nasty and racist comment about a black tennis player......?

 

So, howabout we actually STOP making excuses for this vile bint and actually see her for what she is..... She deserved to be sacked, there's really no apology that can be made to justify that sort of racist cr@p, especially when they keep on insisting that it was "just a joke" and all a "harmless" reference to fukkin' jam jars and have absolutely no regard for the fact that people on the set WERE offended by the comment..... I'm surprised that Jo Brand didn't slap her tbh.....

 

IF and its a big if as it is basically her word against Jo Brand and Jo being very left wing might have some sort of grudge against Carol because of her mother, she did say this then that is clearly inappropriate and indeed racist without doubt but it was still said in private so should not impact on her job with the BBC, if she had said it on air then I would be calling for her sacking but she said it in private

 

You work in education Scott, if someone at a dinner table in the canteen where you worked talked about someone looking like a gollywog in a convo with fellow white people and no blacks present would they be sacked ?

 

While I don't condone her remarks I just think that it sets a dangerous precedent sacking Carol Thatcher over remarks made in private or anyone else

 

 

doesn't WOG mean Western Oriented (?) Gentleman

 

I know it's a highly racist term used down under, some kind soul left a coment on a youtub video of Gabriella Cilmi calling her a wog. <_<

 

Different culture mate

 

The best selling brand of butter in Australia is called COON

 

Can you imagine the outcry if Coon butter was sold in this country

Different culture mate

 

The best selling brand of butter in Australia is called COON

 

Can you imagine the outcry if Coon butter was sold in this country

:lol:

I think gollywogs are cute i dont see the harm in lil black dolls who use to do jam

Edited February 9, 200916 yr by JonieWonie

Adrian Chiles has gone on the record, and I quote.....

 

'Carol was in full flow, talking about who'd win the Australian Open,' he revealed in a column for a national newspaper.

He wrote that Ms Thatcher had said: 'You also have to consider the frogs. You know, that froggy golliwog guy.'

 

Jo Brand was so incensed, she reacted by walking off the set shortly after the comment was made.....

 

Er, right, so, where, exactly is the supposedly "humourous, romanticised harking back to childhood concerning Robinson's jam jars" and all that sh!t used by her PR team to try and deflect from what basically IS a pretty fukkin' insulting, nasty and racist comment about a black tennis player......?

 

So, howabout we actually STOP making excuses for this vile bint and actually see her for what she is..... She deserved to be sacked, there's really no apology that can be made to justify that sort of racist cr@p, especially when they keep on insisting that it was "just a joke" and all a "harmless" reference to fukkin' jam jars and have absolutely no regard for the fact that people on the set WERE offended by the comment..... I'm surprised that Jo Brand didn't slap her tbh.....

Exactly... all this crap about it being "in jest" and only being "un-PC" is ridiculous. She compared a mixed-race person (Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, not Gael Monfils as originally thought) to what everyone knows is an offensive stereotype of a black person... if that's not racist, then what is? She must have known it's socially-unacceptable to use the term, and if she didn't, then she's clearly so out-of-touch with 21st century lifestyles and attitudes that she's totally unsuitable for this type of modern culture show.

 

I can see that MAYBE it's debateable whether she deserved to be fired for something said off-air, but I can't believe there's actually a debate over whether what she said was racist - it so clearly was.

Edited February 9, 200916 yr by Danny

Exactly... all this crap about it being "in jest" and only being "un-PC" is ridiculous. She compared a mixed-race person (Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, not Gael Monfils as originally thought) to what everyone knows is an offensive stereotype of a black person... if that's not racist, then what is? She must have known it's socially-unacceptable to use the term, and if she didn't, then she's clearly so out-of-touch with 21st century lifestyles and attitudes that she's totally unsuitable for this type of modern culture show.

 

I can see that MAYBE it's debateable whether she deserved to be fired for something said off-air, but I can't believe there's actually a debate over whether what she said was racist - it so clearly was.

 

What is the next stage though ?

 

Will companies start sacking their workers for things that are said down the pub or in the curry house or at a football ground or in the privacy of ones own home ? sacking Carol for stuff that was unrelated to her professional capacity as a broadcaster sets a very dangerous precedent regardless of whether what she said is appropriate

 

My issue is not with what was said, it was clearly inappropriate, my issue is to whether it is right for someone to be sacked as a broadcaster for something that was not said on air in her official duties