It is a beautiful song, but not so masses friendly I think! Perhaps it will fare better as UAN if they promote it in the right time, release more versions and because is the first song where they all four sings together.

 

I won't say a chart place anymore :lol:

the garden if promoyed well could do very well in the uk i think

on take thats officail website, everyone loves the idea that the garden might be the next song to be released in the uk. as others have said if promoted well then it will get in the top 10 for sure, i think it is good enough to get to number 1, i no it possibly wont due to such high album sales, but i think it desrves a number 1 tag on it. i no that people are entitled to there own opinions but for god sake, norma, you say your a fan but every comment i have read of yours has all been negatve about them and there music, just because you dont like the song doest meen that this song will flop.

on take thats officail website, everyone loves the idea that the garden might be the next song to be released in the uk. as others have said if promoted well then it will get in the top 10 for sure, i think it is good enough to get to number 1, i no it possibly wont due to such high album sales, but i think it desrves a number 1 tag on it. i no that people are entitled to there own opinions but for god sake, norma, you say your a fan but every comment i have read of yours has all been negatve about them and there music, just because you dont like the song doest meen that this song will flop.

 

I actually like the song now ... only after hearing it sung live. However .... imo it isn't as good a song as UAN and no matter what you say ... it will fail to make top 10 as it has already reached into the thirties on iTunes. That - together with the sales of the album means it has sold as many as it will do. The same happened with UAN - with many people downloading it after TTCTT in December - shortly after - it had dug into the 50's. That and the time span between the physical release meant that it too had more than reached its market by 2nd March. I'm not being negative - just realistic. I thought UAN was a sure-fire number one ... and the song deserved it ... but p*ss poor timing and promotion let it down.

 

And I am sorry if my 'realism' comes across as negativity ... but we have enough Pollyanna Dreamers on the Official TT site ... Buzzjack is a place for realism!

 

Back me up on this Iris - as you and I already seem doomed on the official site! :lol:

 

Norma

Edited March 16, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers

I think that "caring" for an artist (I won't use the word FAN anymore, sorry) means for some of us the desire to see them growing and evolving. And like parents do with their children, we look critically what can they do besser. If i won't see in them the posibility to evolve, i won't come here. If i woudn't like their music, i won't hear it. And only because i enjoy it, i find it challanging and i believe in them, i take the effort to comment, to care what they can do better.

 

I am not blind, i am very awake also when i think about my passions. Also when i was in love i could see through what this man has for good or for bad sides. When i hear TakeTHat or other music i like, i think this music not only just hear it. I think about the harmonies, the lyrics, the orchestration, the passion in the voices, the heart. I judge that all and make myself an opinion. A lot of times, also when i love a song i still know what it miss for me to be an excelent song. I also judge through a value-set the music i hear or the artist i see.. This set i use for the bands i like and for those i don't like. I make no exception - not because i want to be above, but because the quality of the music and of the performance is what i am looking for :teresa: .

 

I also think Norma is also not a classical fan, as fan comes from fanatic, i must dare say that yesterday is the first time when i saw the similitudes between a religious fanatical (don't think stright to some asia people or someone who loves bombes, i met a lot who are peaceful but still fanatic) and a pop-act fan. Norma likes to think logic and rational. It may sound harsh what she sais and she naturally judge the music form her point of view and as like us all subjective, but she will also love to think.

 

So, takethatrule, don't take it hard when I and Norma comes here to say our harsh critic. If we woudn't care for Take That, we won't do it. I give my time only for what i have a strong bonding. :lol:

 

Speaking of that, Norma, i think you would really carry on by yourself in the official TT forum. Being called arrogant , was the last drop for me :lol: ( i would have understand ellitist, music-snob, but arrogant? :naughty: ) . Through the move of the forum a lot of people i enjoyed reading, a lot of them having a very heavy humor, are gone. I will go there only to read , but i don't intent to post my opinion anymore there , even when they tear the voice / music style of Mark to pieces :rofl: (ok, hear i hope i will resist to the temptation) .

Speaking of that, Norma, i think you would really carry on by yourself in the official TT forum. Being called arrogant , was the last drop for me :lol: ( i would have understand ellitist, music-snob, but arrogant? :naughty: ) . Through the move of the forum a lot of people i enjoyed reading, a lot of them having a very heavy humor, are gone. I will go there only to read , but i don't intent to post my opinion anymore there , even when they tear the voice / music style of Mark to pieces :rofl: (ok, hear i hope i will resist to the temptation) .

 

I like the music of TT (well most of it) but I'm not a 'fanatic'. I also like the guys - I think they're nice, funny blokes. I think a lot of people on the official forum are a little fantatical - if Take That were to release 'Mary Had A Little Lamb' most of them would say how bloody brilliant it was - and demand a video, a physical release and promotion immediately! :lol: I miss the old site to be honest ... a lot of the posters on there don't visit the new one (to me ... it doesn't even LOOK nice). Besides ... its too bloody slow! I think I'd rather trade insults in general here on Buzzjack! :lol:

 

Norma

 

- if Take That were to release 'Mary Had A Little Lamb' most of them would say how bloody brilliant it was - and demand a video, a physical release and promotion immediately! :lol:

Norma

 

Only if it is sung from Jason or Gary. Nobody cares for Howard (why i am between the fews really liking his voice?) and Mark (well, but a lot do cares for his hats :P ). Sorry for the irony :lol: , it only summs some of my observations there and just put it a little harder.

 

Only if it is sung from Jason or Gary. Nobody cares for Howard (why i am between the fews really liking his voice?) and Mark (well, but a lot do cares for his hats :P ). Sorry for the irony :lol: , it only summs some of my observations there and just put it a little harder.

 

I've gotta be honest ... they gave Howard one of the worst songs on the album to sing! What Is Love is terrible - so bloody miserable and slow! What did the poor guy do to upset the other three? At least Jason's 'How Did It Come To This' makes him sound alive! :lol:

 

Norma

Im not a take that fanatic myself but i like the music and the lads seem so down to earth which i like,again if th egarden is a single it prob wont go top 10 but once again album sales will go up and and thats good for me

Are there any news if the Garden will be released in the UK as 3rd single? I know that wikipedia is not trustable but there its listen as 3rd single, released at the 2oth April (which sounds for me a bit early after Up all night -and they are in the middle of starting the tour rehersale - so I´m not sure about that)

Are there any news if the Garden will be released in the UK as 3rd single? I know that wikipedia is not trustable but there its listen as 3rd single, released at the 2oth April (which sounds for me a bit early after Up all night -and they are in the middle of starting the tour rehersale - so I´m not sure about that)

 

If there is to be a third single I'd say it will realistically be The Garden. I doubt they'd go to the expense of making a fourth video which they'd have to if it was anything else. I don't have high hopes for it charting (at all!) but it may just boost the album a fraction.

 

Norma

it will prob go low top 20 and that applies for any 3rd single but it will boost the album sales which is very important.im really hoping to see a deluxe edition/tour edition of the album released either during or after the tour,they would be daft not to as all the big selling albums do it,it worked marvelous for beautiul world and it would work great here also,,but with the album having done so well so far they will definitly push the album as im sure they want another 2million+ selling album in the uk

Short update for German Charts - entry at #20

Short update for German Charts - entry at #20

 

Hiya! Saw your post on TTTV (its a bit quiet over there at the moment isn't it?)

 

I find that a bit disappointing if I'm honest. In fact ... its very disappointing! It is a bit of a downbeat song though isn't it? They're doing a lot better in Denmark.

 

Well at least they can say they've tried. I can't see them ever having a top 10 hit in Europe again in future.

 

I'm preferring Beautiful World to The Circus by the day.

 

Norma

Its really quiet on TTTV since the change to the new board - well i shouldnt´say anything as I´m only 10% on there as I was used to. :P

 

At the first look its seems to be a reason to be disappointed, only a "Top 20" hit for Take That. But if you look what else is in the charts, and how Take That is still been seen in the radio and media I think its really good.

And as much as I like the song, its not the best choise for a single, not in that time of the year.

 

Nearly nobody is buying singles anymore, the economy is starting to get down here aswell - and paying 5 Euro for the normal version is just to expensive - and downloads are cheaper but not everyone wants to do that and just stick to radio or youtube and as recording from radio is here allowed a lot are doing that.

 

The bigger point is, how Take That is seen here. I was lucky enough to win a M&G at a local radio station 2 weeks ago, and it was very interesting to see the "backwork" and what the radio staff expected us fans to be - two crazy fans with posters on the walls and screaming and been like that :w00t: :w00t:

They still don´t accept the lads as band, with grown fans and not again the crazyness from the 90´s.

 

And yeah, they tried it again and well I can´t see them having the big hit - but as long the radio stations are playing them a lot I think they are doing well. And I know a lot of people that loved the live shows 2 years ago, and would go again.

 

Don´t know which I prefer - there are songs on both records I love and songs I can´t hear - I would prefair a mix of both :P

I think place 20 is a very good achievement!

 

Also i think that not having a tour hurts also their chances a little bit in Germany.

 

I think place 20 is a very good achievement!

 

Also i think that not having a tour hurts also their chances a little bit in Germany.

 

They did tour last year though (well 2007) and it didn't improve sales of anything. I think this proves that they just aren't going to do anything in Europe. I don't think the record company will give them any backing for any more promotion in Europe. It is clearly a fruitless task when the UK and Ireland proves to be such a lucrative 'cash cow'. I must admit though, on a personal level, I don't think they have what Europe wants. I don't know what Europe wants ... but it ain't Take That.

 

Sorry if I've upset people but I'm being honest. I still like them anyway!

 

Norma

Edited April 2, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers

You know that i said that The Garden is not the best single choice - i stick with that (i like that song, you know but are songs which are made to be a single and songs which are not)! I still think a more lively song like Hold up a light could have been better, esp. with the non-TT fans. So, as i predicted a total doom for them, place 20 is very good :lol: .

You know that i said that The Garden is not the best single choice - i stick with that (i like that song, you know but are songs which are made to be a single and songs which are not)! I still think a more lively song like Hold up a light could have been better, esp. with the non-TT fans. So, as i predicted a total doom for them, place 20 is very good :lol: .

 

I didn't think anything off it would be a hit!. Up All Night I think should have been released ... at least they had a ready-made video for it. I'm surprised how well The Garden has done in Denmark!

 

I must confess ... I actually thought the video for The Garden was crap! It made the UAN one look like a Spielberg blockbuster!

 

Norma

 

I won't compare the chart position with those acts who are now overhyped or very popular between the young generation. I will compare with such kind of acts, who are like TT since many years on the scene. U2 first single was in German chart at no 19. Oasis singles from the last album went to 48 and 62. This acts are still very well respected, are still selling albums and tours. But their music don't appeal to masses, it is not a must-hear-loud-on-the-subway song. If all decent acts will go only on the markets they have success in the charts, it would be very sad for the music. TT still have to present their music, also when are not so many ears prepared to hear it. If they care for the music, that's it. If they only care for money and fame they will naturally do better staying at home.

 

Charts are all about marketing. They have an image which is very loved in UK but don't work like that here ( actually their image is quite negative, still regarded as a manufactured boyband). Give here a Britney, a Robbie , a Kate Perry or a Amy - that will work very well. It takes time to improve such an image they have - they must show they really care for the music and present quality - they won't get any bonus in Germany that they are cute, gentleman and down-to-earth like they do in UK - other mentality here!

 

As the chart position depend 80% on image and 20% on quality of the song - tadah! place 20 is a very good achievement then! I hope the album has more to win than the single, if i am honest - that is more important to me.

Edited April 2, 200916 yr by IrisAlbastru