I think it is quite clear that we will never find any form of common ground in this debate. Clearly you don't like anything to do with Australia and given that i am seriously considering permanent emigration here, it's quite clear that i love it.

 

Something i do find funny is that i am the only one to have physically experienced the Aussie culture and the K-Rudd government and actually know what it is like to live in Aus as an immigrant. Technically i'm an international student but thats not the point.

How the hell does it...? Rudd said in his speech.. That he basically doesn't want people to speak non-English languages on a day to day basis.... I quote...

 

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

 

Myself, Tyron and Jake can certainly read between the lines of Rudd's rhetoric even if you and The Fear seem incapable....

 

What IS the language of Australia?? It sure as hell aint ENGLISH you prat...... :rolleyes: It's the hundreds of Aboriginal dialects surely..... Rudd is nothing but an imperialist in liberal clothing.... so, he's not a racist, just a fukkin' XENOPHOBE....... Yeah, cos that's SO much better..... :lol: :lol:

 

Australia is like Canada, the US, etc, it is a country built on IMMIGRANTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD...... WHO HAVE THEIR OWN LANGUAGES....... Would you like to try and tell the Quebecois in Canada that they couldn't speak French....??? Yeah, just go to Montreal and see how that works out for you mate..... :rolleyes: Would you like to go to the Hispanic communities in America and tell them that they aren't allowed to speak Spanish....??? Tell me if you get out alive mate.... :rolleyes: Rudd has no moral right whatsoever to tell people in a country built upon immigration and as a representative of an Imperialist State which dispossessed and degraded the REAL natives and THEIR culture and beliefs (and frankly I dont really care if the Aussies are now all of a sudden being "nice" to the aborigines, that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the moral debt that white Australia owes the Aborigines for over 200 years of mistreatment....) what languages or what religions anyone else can and should practice.... It's also utterly ridiculous to tell people that they shouldn't be allowed to criticise the Govt or the State regardless of whether or not they're Aussie-born..... If you pay your taxes and have a stake in that society, that gives ANYONE the right to be p"ssed off at what the Govt does.....

 

And besides, Multi-lingual states DO function perfectly well - Canada, which I just mentioned, the US, Belgium (French and Flemish), Switzerland (which has French, German and Italian speaking parts), China (Mandarin and Cantonese, and no, knowledge of one does not necessarily mean you'll be able to follow the other, plenty of Cantonese speakers in Hong Kong have no knowledge whatsoever of Mandarin, and vice versa....). Britain used to be a multi-lingual country as well, with Welsh, Gaelic and Cornish being spoken in this country... Now, that part of our cultural heritage has been all but destroyed over the centuries by English cultural imperialism, a bit like the aboriginal and native american languages and cultures.....

 

ok, then lets everyone who moved there become aboriginal... lets live in the 18th centuary :lol: YOU pillock! its you age old argument, everyones an immigrant... well yes they are because in pre-history people moved around!

 

i dont condone the subjection of the native peoples anywhere. australia is a modern country built on immigration that like the usa and canada have now created their own society. whether or not these countries should have been 'discovered' or 'anexed' by more highly developed countries is of course a different matter, but they HAVE been, therefore its their choice as to which laws they want to impose regarding future immigration.

 

i see you are continuing your anti english diatribe yet again <_< if you dont like us FCUK OFF back north of the border and learn gaelic. there has NEVER been a universal language spoken in the uk, the english language IS an all encompasing one that is made up of elements from all the languages from before thousands of years bc until the 11th centuary, so the language we currently speak is pretty much as it was a thousand years ago.

 

of course taking you silly argument to its logical conclusion, everyone who has come here should speak their own language and we shouldnt have evolved a universal language that everyone can understand <_< . id be speaking old english, others old norse, french, latin, celtic and all the varieties of the celt language there was. but no, as a nation a natural universal language evolved out of ALL the tribal/ethnic languages that were being used throughout time. it wasnt until the 18th centuary, 700 years after the last major influx that dr johnson started to try to 'fix' its evolution.

 

the bottom line.... id vote for any politician who used rudds speach as an election manifesto... and they would walk into office.

I think it is quite clear that we will never find any form of common ground in this debate. Clearly you don't like anything to do with Australia and given that i am seriously considering permanent emigration here, it's quite clear that i love it.

 

Something i do find funny is that i am the only one to have physically experienced the Aussie culture and the K-Rudd government and actually know what it is like to live in Aus as an immigrant. Technically i'm an international student but thats not the point.

 

I dont like Australia's attitude, bottom line.... I find it hypocritical and totally belonging to the stone-age.... I much prefer Canada's attitude.. Canada, in the main, speaks English, but the Govt has never forced the Quebecois to give up their French identity, never told them that they couldn't speak French, of course, there's so many of them, it would probably be a non-starter if the Canadian Govt even tried....

 

I've known Australian people here in London and Edinburgh and frankly I found most of them to be rather rude, ignorant and arrogant, their attitudes towards the Aborigines and Asians was disgusting and incredibly racist. I dont hang about with these people anymore.... The sort of sh!te that Rudd was saying was pretty similar to what these people were saying.. So, I guess he does represent his people's attitudes well.... :rolleyes: I dont mind a "no bullsh!t" attitutude, but to me, racism and xenophobia IS bullsh!t is well.... I dunno how you can even stand to be in a country full of such bigots with a bigot as PM to boot....

 

And, frankly, I'm sick of Bali being used as an excuse by Australians for it all.... As if we didn't have terror attacks in London in 2005... Did you OUR Mayor, Ken Livingstone spout the kind of bile Rudd did... NO, he did NOT..... He made one of the most impressive oratories of his political career which brought Londoners TOGETHER, he did NOT seek to drive wedges between the indigenous and immigrant populations of the city. Unlike Rudd who clearly IS.....

i see you are continuing your anti english diatribe yet again <_< if you dont like us FCUK OFF back north of the border and learn gaelic. there has NEVER been a universal language spoken in the uk, the english language IS an all encompasing one that is made up of elements from all the languages from before thousands of years bc until the 11th centuary, so the language we currently speak is pretty much as it was a thousand years ago.

 

If you dont like the facts of your own historical Imperialism, well, that's not MY problem.. The facts are that your ancestors DID go into Ireland and Scotland and, through force of arms, denied the cultural heritage and identity of the Irish and Scots, tried to stop the Irish from performing "protest" folk music, even in private homes.... You forbid the Irish and Scots their own languages, you forbid them the right to fly their own flags, you disbanded the Clans, and basically slaughtered anyone who didn't comply, women and children included; the State was especially brutal in Ireland, and the brutality in NI continued well into the 20th Century..... You find those facts unpalatable...? Tough.... Besides, I dont live in England, I live in LONDON, there's a huge difference.... :lol: Even those born and bred here in London call themselves Londoners first and English/British a very poor second..... :rolleyes:

 

The British Govt never DID learn the lessons of history, and became shocked and surprised when the "troubles" started in the 70s..... Well, what did they expect.... MILLIONS of Irish were displaced and scattered to all four corners of the Earth back in the 1800s by the brutality of the British, and the potato famine in which the Govt basically left Ireland to starve; so would it really come as a surprise that all these people in communities in the US, Canada, Australia, etc would listen to their grandparents' tales of what the English did, and they may just tend to idealise their country of origin, rightly or wrongly, and then years later might just be tempted to support the IRA, particularly when "Bloody Sunday" occurred... If you ask me, things like Noraid were merely Britain's own historical brutality coming back to haunt it, what goes around, eventually, comes around..... :rolleyes:

 

And I would say that this is what's happened in Bali to be honest.... For years the ordinary, native Balians had basically been put into a sort of servitude and serfdom by tourists who go to their country.. Bali just seems to exist as a playground for foreign tourists, the ordinary natives are pretty much nowhere, well, unless they're working as waiters, cleaners or general skivvies that is, which is probably the only time they would even see a native Balian..... No real surprise to me that some might just become discontented enough to let a few terrorists come in and teach the "invaders" a few lessons.....

 

But of course Australians just didn't have the guile to actually ask themselves WHY the Bali bombing happened.....

I dont like Australia's attitude, bottom line.... I find it hypocritical and totally belonging to the stone-age.... I much prefer Canada's attitude.. Canada, in the main, speaks English, but the Govt has never forced the Quebecois to give up their French identity, never told them that they couldn't speak French, of course, there's so many of them, it would probably be a non-starter if the Canadian Govt even tried....

 

I've known Australian people here in London and Edinburgh and frankly I found most of them to be rather rude, ignorant and arrogant, their attitudes towards the Aborigines and Asians was disgusting and incredibly racist. I dont hang about with these people anymore.... The sort of sh!te that Rudd was saying was pretty similar to what these people were saying.. So, I guess he does represent his people's attitudes well.... :rolleyes: I dont mind a "no bullsh!t" attitutude, but to me, racism and xenophobia IS bullsh!t is well.... I dunno how you can even stand to be in a country full of such bigots with a bigot as PM to boot....

 

And, frankly, I'm sick of Bali being used as an excuse by Australians for it all.... As if we didn't have terror attacks in London in 2005... Did you OUR Mayor, Ken Livingstone spout the kind of bile Rudd did... NO, he did NOT..... He made one of the most impressive oratories of his political career which brought Londoners TOGETHER, he did NOT seek to drive wedges between the indigenous and immigrant populations of the city. Unlike Rudd who clearly IS.....

 

French is the national language of Canada along with English. They wouldn't change it because half the population is bloody French.

 

So you base your entire opinion of Australains on the very few you've met. That's ridiculous. You can't form a stereotype based on a few people, i'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it if i started reeling off a list of stereotypes, and rightfully so, they are horrific nasty things. You can't judge an entire country on a few people. It so happen the Australians i have met have all been really great people, and i live with 7 of them so i've gotten to know them pretty well.

 

and as i posted before, which you quite obviously ignored because it didn't fit in with your stereotype, Rudd did a damn big chunk of his education in China and speaks both variants of the language, as does his son. So just because a couple of ex-pat aussies that you have met don't like the Asians doesn't mean the PM does. Someone who is racist and who hates the Asians is hardly going to go and study in the largest Asian country :rolleyes:

 

Admittedly i haven't seen the nicest attitude towards Aborigines, but then again, i don't think i've actually seen one yet.

 

and Alex Salmond used the attack on Glasgow to unite the nation more, and Scotland became a damn more patriotic after it. That scummy lowlife who kicked the f*** out of one of the bombers has his own column in the scum and was honoured by the queen. He is a national hero for beating someone up. Doesn't really say much about the Scottish does it????

 

 

And I would say that this is what's happened in Bali to be honest.... For years the ordinary, native Balians had basically been put into a sort of servitude and serfdom by tourists who go to their country.. Bali just seems to exist as a playground for foreign tourists, the ordinary natives are pretty much nowhere, well, unless they're working as waiters, cleaners or general skivvies that is, which is probably the only time they would even see a native Balian..... No real surprise to me that some might just become discontented enough to let a few terrorists come in and teach the "invaders" a few lessons.....

 

But of course Australians just didn't have the guile to actually ask themselves WHY the Bali bombing happened.....

So explain the 9/11 terror attacks?

 

Bali condemned those bast*rds. Quite a lot of native Balinese lost their lives in the attacks, it wasn't just the Aussies killed, but Brits, other Europeans and Americans.

 

Or had you forgotten about the other nationalities in a bid to justify your utterly disgraceful stance on a completely unnecessary and downright evil act of terror with the same organisation as 9/11 behind it.

 

There is no doubt that it was an attack on the Australians, and they'd have great trouble actually pulling it off in the country itself because of their immigration, customs and quarantine laws.

 

Maybe his time would be better spent on trying to reduce the carbon emissions of Australia which currently stand as the highest per capita in the developed world - especially given that Australia is likely to be one of the first countries to be affected by climate change (see: Bush Fires this summer and 40 degree heat become increasingly frequent and prolonged in even the coastal cities).

The highest emissions in the developed world belongs to the United States actually.

 

The Bush Fires were mainly arson. The high winds spread the fire quickly and the very large o-zone hole above Australia does contribute very nicely to it's heat and skin cancer rates.

 

The northern areas of Australia's east, and yes, even the coast, regularly sees 40degrees. Summer 07/08 was warmer in Brisbane than this years (08/09) was.

 

The heatwave was restricted to the south and was a result of the winds blowing the extreme heat down from the desert. These winds are what cause the droughts and ultimately what gave perfect bush fire conditions. They are a common occurrence, this years made the headlines primarily for being the worst in a large number of years.

The highest emissions in the developed world belongs to the United States actually.

 

Yes, but per capita (as I stated) it's actually Australia that tops the list.

 

The Bush Fires were mainly arson. The high winds spread the fire quickly and the very large o-zone hole above Australia does contribute very nicely to it's heat and skin cancer rates.

 

Mostly arson? Mostly due to lightning ACTUALLY.

 

The northern areas of Australia's east, and yes, even the coast, regularly sees 40degrees. Summer 07/08 was warmer in Brisbane than this years (08/09) was.

 

So? The fact is, if global warming continues, these already vulnerable areas will become even hotter and drier and more prone to bush fires.

 

The heatwave was restricted to the south and was a result of the winds blowing the extreme heat down from the desert. These winds are what cause the droughts and ultimately what gave perfect bush fire conditions. They are a common occurrence, this years made the headlines primarily for being the worst in a large number of years.

 

Also true, but you neglect to consider what impact a warming climate will have on this 'common occurrence'.

If you dont like the facts of your own historical Imperialism, well, that's not MY problem.. The facts are that your ancestors DID go into Ireland and Scotland and, through force of arms, denied the cultural heritage and identity of the Irish and Scots, tried to stop the Irish from performing "protest" folk music, even in private homes.... You forbid the Irish and Scots their own languages, you forbid them the right to fly their own flags, you disbanded the Clans, and basically slaughtered anyone who didn't comply, women and children included; the State was especially brutal in Ireland, and the brutality in NI continued well into the 20th Century..... You find those facts unpalatable...? Tough.... Besides, I dont live in England, I live in LONDON, there's a huge difference.... :lol: Even those born and bred here in London call themselves Londoners first and English/British a very poor second..... :rolleyes:

 

The British Govt never DID learn the lessons of history, and became shocked and surprised when the "troubles" started in the 70s..... Well, what did they expect.... MILLIONS of Irish were displaced and scattered to all four corners of the Earth back in the 1800s by the brutality of the British, and the potato famine in which the Govt basically left Ireland to starve; so would it really come as a surprise that all these people in communities in the US, Canada, Australia, etc would listen to their grandparents' tales of what the English did, and they may just tend to idealise their country of origin, rightly or wrongly, and then years later might just be tempted to support the IRA, particularly when "Bloody Sunday" occurred... If you ask me, things like Noraid were merely Britain's own historical brutality coming back to haunt it, what goes around, eventually, comes around..... :rolleyes:

 

And I would say that this is what's happened in Bali to be honest.... For years the ordinary, native Balians had basically been put into a sort of servitude and serfdom by tourists who go to their country.. Bali just seems to exist as a playground for foreign tourists, the ordinary natives are pretty much nowhere, well, unless they're working as waiters, cleaners or general skivvies that is, which is probably the only time they would even see a native Balian..... No real surprise to me that some might just become discontented enough to let a few terrorists come in and teach the "invaders" a few lessons.....

 

But of course Australians just didn't have the guile to actually ask themselves WHY the Bali bombing happened.....

 

blah de blah de blah...

 

imperialism was 200 years ago and we have thrown it out, besides, you talk as if the uk was the only country conquering the world .... france, spain, portugal were all at it and further back the romans, norse, germans have all tried it on! .... anyway imperialism wasnt just english but was british! you ginger kilt wearing alcoholics had you fair share of the spoils! :P :lol:

 

oh and dont justify bali ..... it was an unprovoked act of evil which was WRONG in anyones language.

Tbf 'The Fear' yes you may live there but that doesn't mean you're correct in "sugar coating" everything Australia does and somehow use staying there as justification for that. You don't experience life as an immigrant at all? You're wealthy, have a comfortable life and...white. Is it the same for the poor Malay girl moving there in the hope of earning more than £2 a week? Of course not. You also fail to argue your point in any sort of succinct form. Let us not get into technicalities, yes the official phrase is "detention centre" but they are akin to prison, what WE would define as prison.

 

As Grimly has mentioned Australia and Canada are incredibly similar. They've seen huge amounts of immigration, imperialism etc but like how they've both come out. Australia has come out like a quasi-1980s-South Africa. Institutional and obvious racism. You only need to read the BNP's manifesto and compare it to Rudd's speech to see how similar thinking they are...

Yes, but per capita (as I stated) it's actually Australia that tops the list.

Mostly arson? Mostly due to lightning ACTUALLY.

So? The fact is, if global warming continues, these already vulnerable areas will become even hotter and drier and more prone to bush fires.

Also true, but you neglect to consider what impact a warming climate will have on this 'common occurrence'.

Yes, mostly arson. It is reckoned that the Kinglake Complex and Marysville Fire were both started by arson, and they were the two deadliest fires. There were many other blazes started by Arson, and a few were natural causes.

 

If the scum of the world hadn't started the fires, it never would have been as bad as it was therefore giving your theory no weight at all.

 

Australia has suffered droughts for years, especially in the south east. The winds bring you the rain, which forms above the oceans. Fact. If the wind blowing across to the south east is coming from the dry sandy desert then there is no water to bring with it, just dry hot weather with no humidity.

 

That is why the south east has always been prone to bush fires. Not this global warming crap.

 

Tbf 'The Fear' yes you may live there but that doesn't mean you're correct in "sugar coating" everything Australia does and somehow use staying there as justification for that. You don't experience life as an immigrant at all? You're wealthy, have a comfortable life and...white. Is it the same for the poor Malay girl moving there in the hope of earning more than £2 a week? Of course not. You also fail to argue your point in any sort of succinct form. Let us not get into technicalities, yes the official phrase is "detention centre" but they are akin to prison, what WE would define as prison.

 

As Grimly has mentioned Australia and Canada are incredibly similar. They've seen huge amounts of immigration, imperialism etc but like how they've both come out. Australia has come out like a quasi-1980s-South Africa. Institutional and obvious racism. You only need to read the BNP's manifesto and compare it to Rudd's speech to see how similar thinking they are...

I didn't sugar coat jack $h!t. My use of 'living here' as a means to justify my argument is because i am the only one here to have experienced first hand what life is like under the K-Rudd government and in Australia.

 

I am a student which would never make me wealthy in a developed nation. If the poor Malay girl isn't earning more than £2 a week and she's there illegally then what the f*** is the government supposed to do about it? The UK has people in exactly the same conditions working for the same amount of cash. It's not an Australian problem but a world wide one. If she was here on a proper visa, and therefore not breaking the law, then she wouldn't be earning £2 per week, but whatever the national minimum wage for the state she is living in is.

 

And detention centres are akin to prisons for a reason. They are filled with criminals. Whatever way you want to sugarcoat that, the people in there have knowingly broken the law of Australia. Regardless of where you are in the world i believe breaking the law carries a punishment, with imprisonment being the popular one. If the immigrants were in Australia legaly they wouldn't be in the detention centres. The only one i know by name is Vilawood. I'm not sure if there are anyothers.

 

There are no reports of racist attacks and killings like the Steven Laurence murder in the UK. At least not in my state. Sydney and Melbourne may be different but from my experience of Brisbane and the state of Queensland there is no racist attacks or indeed obvious racism happening regularly or infrequently. I'm sure if you went digging you could find a recent example but you'd find the person caught and punished more often than not, just like in the UK. The area of Brisbane i live in is spitting distance from the large asian community in Sunnybank. If there was any big racist attacks they would happen in Sunnybank and along the Mt Gravatt/Sunnybank suburb borders. Of which there have been none, at least not in the past 9months.

 

As for the BNP manifesto, i had a read through it a few weeks ago out of pure curiosity and was rather disgusted that they were allowed to exist as a political party, But Rudd's speach is nothing like that nasty manifesto.

 

The BNP want rid of our migrants, they want to repatriate them. Send them home whatever the cost, take us out of the EU and send all the europeans back to europe.

 

Rudd's speach says nothing at all along that lines. There is no hint that the government would even try to remove people. It says they can exercise their right to leave. Nothing about forceble removing all migrants, but reminding the few who refuse to adapt and make demands of the government to make Australia more like where they come from that they chose to move to Australia, they can either accept the nation as it is or leave.

 

Something the UK government should do instead of pandering to the every whim and want of the minority's and ignoring the masses and native population.

Yes, mostly arson. It is reckoned that the Kinglake Complex and Marysville Fire were both started by arson, and they were the two deadliest fires. There were many other blazes started by Arson, and a few were natural causes.

 

If the scum of the world hadn't started the fires, it never would have been as bad as it was therefore giving your theory no weight at all.

 

Australia has suffered droughts for years, especially in the south east. The winds bring you the rain, which forms above the oceans. Fact. If the wind blowing across to the south east is coming from the dry sandy desert then there is no water to bring with it, just dry hot weather with no humidity.

 

That is why the south east has always been prone to bush fires. Not this global warming crap.

 

This is such toss. For a start you speak as if you KNOW what you're talking about when it comes to meteorological patterns in Australia when you evidently have no clue. Much of eastern Australia ends up in drought not down to the desert (?!) much of eastern Australia recieves it's rain from east winds and convective shower activity. The reason it ends up being crippled by drought is due to El Niño southern oscillation i.e. currents in the Pacific moving in an unusual fashion leading to stubborn placement of high air pressure over central and eastern Australia and then bush fires occur etc. There is much debate as to whether El Niño is influenced by "global warming" and tbh I'm not sure either way. Bush fires are natural occurrences and can be massive. I honestly don't believe that many are down to human action.

 

 

I didn't sugar coat jack $h!t. My use of 'living here' as a means to justify my argument is because i am the only one here to have experienced first hand what life is like under the K-Rudd government and in Australia.

 

I am a student which would never make me wealthy in a developed nation. If the poor Malay girl isn't earning more than £2 a week and she's there illegally then what the f*** is the government supposed to do about it? The UK has people in exactly the same conditions working for the same amount of cash. It's not an Australian problem but a world wide one. If she was here on a proper visa, and therefore not breaking the law, then she wouldn't be earning £2 per week, but whatever the national minimum wage for the state she is living in is.

You miss the point there? She wouldn't be granted a visa? So she has to go about getting money any way she can. "The law is the law" isn't justification for something existing. That's utterly ridiculous. The law/projection of the law is all wrong. Also who here in the UK earns £2 a week? :S

 

And detention centres are akin to prisons for a reason. They are filled with criminals. Whatever way you want to sugarcoat that, the people in there have knowingly broken the law of Australia. Regardless of where you are in the world i believe breaking the law carries a punishment, with imprisonment being the popular one. If the immigrants were in Australia legaly they wouldn't be in the detention centres. The only one i know by name is Vilawood. I'm not sure if there are anyothers.

So seeking asylum makes you a criminal? You aren't using logic here or intelligent debate just stating the Australian view? Why are you reading to me the Australian law? I've already explained that I think that that law is wrong? Housing people like that is appalling and some would (and do) argue it contravenes their human rights. You baffle me. Going by your logic if a country set up a law where talking in public was illegal, someone broke that, then oh it's okay they should go prison because that's the law (?!!)

 

There are no reports of racist attacks and killings like the Steven Laurence murder in the UK. At least not in my state. Sydney and Melbourne may be different but from my experience of Brisbane and the state of Queensland there is no racist attacks or indeed obvious racism happening regularly or infrequently. I'm sure if you went digging you could find a recent example but you'd find the person caught and punished more often than not, just like in the UK. The area of Brisbane i live in is spitting distance from the large asian community in Sunnybank. If there was any big racist attacks they would happen in Sunnybank and along the Mt Gravatt/Sunnybank suburb borders. Of which there have been none, at least not in the past 9months.

Again, I'm not suggesting that racist attacks occur (though they have esp in late 2005 in Syndey and Melbourne) but it's an inherant attitude that exists across Australia. Racism is a natural aspect of life and institutionally exists. The Darren Lehmann cricket case a few years back is a good example of that:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2003/jan/20/cricket

 

You're also still going to have a large section of the population who have been brought up under the White Australia Policy, so those sort of views/idea for society are still going to exist and be passed down by middle class white parents/grandparents.

 

As for the BNP manifesto, i had a read through it a few weeks ago out of pure curiosity and was rather disgusted that they were allowed to exist as a political party, But Rudd's speach is nothing like that nasty manifesto.

 

The BNP want rid of our migrants, they want to repatriate them. Send them home whatever the cost, take us out of the EU and send all the europeans back to europe.

 

Rudd's speach says nothing at all along that lines. There is no hint that the government would even try to remove people. It says they can exercise their right to leave. Nothing about forceble removing all migrants, but reminding the few who refuse to adapt and make demands of the government to make Australia more like where they come from that they chose to move to Australia, they can either accept the nation as it is or leave.

 

Something the UK government should do instead of pandering to the every whim and want of the minority's and ignoring the masses and native population.

The wording maybe ever so slighty different but both the manifesto and speech use the same techniques with a common goal i.e. they breed a sense of fear, a sort of feeling that people have something they need to STAND UP to when in fact there is no problem. There is no-one "threatening their way of life" etc. There's nothing worse than people building a false sense of hate through the guise of control.

What caused the fires in Victoria on 7 February 2009?

 

In south-east Australia, bad fire days are associated with the presence of a 'blocking' high pressure system in the Tasman Sea. This brings hot, dry strong wind from the centre of the continent to the south-east.

 

The high temperatures, some in excess of 45 degrees, and dry air experienced throughout Victoria on Saturday resulted in very low fuel moisture content. Combined with the extended rainfall deficit for much of the state, this resulted in tinder-dry fuel that was very easily ignited and very difficult to extinguish. In addition, to the high pressure system there was an approaching cold front which helped to strengthen winds ahead of the front, as well as causing a wind change after the front passed. Very strong winds resulted in fires that spread very rapidly with the wind and were practically unstoppable until the weather moderated following the cool change. Victoria's topography and vegetation also played a role.

 

(A blocking high is a persistent high pressure system that occurs on a large scale, remaining stationary for a period of time, compressing and warming the air below.)

from www.csiro.au

 

So the Victorian bush fires were caused by a weather system coming from the desert. :)

 

i did plan at one point to become a meteorologist (after my tornado chasing phase) and spend many years reading about weather and it's what causes it. Especially 'wild' weather. I was rather a geeky child, i preferred books too playing sport. I was also a dab hand at geography so i know about the causes of weather fronts, the formation of deserts and how things like droughts occur. I also did a bit of reading on the El Niño phenomenon. Quite fascinating how currents can affect the weather. Take the Gulf Stream for example. The main factor in keeping the UK as warm as it is.

 

So i think i know quite a bit on the subject of meteology and natural disasters. (Volcano's/Earthquakes are a personal favourite of mine) I'm no expert, but i know a damn sight more than you average person.

If the Malay girl wouldn't be granted a visa then why is she in the country? To get into Australia you have to have a visa. If you have no visa they deny you access to the country at the border and put you on the next plane. Very much like the americans do. I have to have a special visa for transiting through the US so i can get on the plane, even though i have no plans to leave LAX to have a look around the city. If she doesn't have any form of visa she is an illegal resident of the country and therefore imo deserves to be sent to vilawood. You may not agree with Australias immigration laws but there are far fewer workers being exploited here than there are in the UK where it is far easier to gain illegal access. How do you know nobody in the UK works for £2 a week? Given that Australia isn't the cheapest place to live A$4 a week would get you nowhere. She'd earn more money at home.

 

Use some common sense, banning public talking with a prison sentance as a punishment is different from gaining illegal access to a country with intent to live there without paying any tax or with the intent to paying tax. An asylum seeker is different from and illegal worker. An asylum seeker would declare their intentions at the border and would not be sent to vilawood. Vilawood is a place where those who have been caught in raids or denied access at the border are kept while arrangements are made to send them to their nation of origin or their visa's are sorted out.

 

This link will provide you some information on the detention centres, and what they are used for.

 

Agreed there is evidence of a highly racist background to Australia, and attacks do happen. But they are rare, far rarer than in the United States. From what i have experienced the English tend to be on the receiving ends of racial abuse in Australia. 'Poms' aren't well liked, thanks to the most ridiculous policy in the western worlds recent political history there is some evidence of hatred of immigrants among the older generations. Which is no different to the UK treatment of immigrants and even Homosexuals. The current XY generation is far more tolerant of immigrants having grown up without the White Australia poilcy. The city of Brisbane is highly multicultural and even has a Chinatown which i hope to visit tomorrow, the residents of Brisbane are far more relaxed and tolerant than many of their counterparts from the other state capitals.

 

I have said before, my views of Australia are based upon what i have encountered living in a sub-urb in Brisbane's south. Before i came i kept an eye on the CourierMail and Yahoo!7's websites looking at the news and weather so i knew what i was letting myself in for. Not once did i read of a racist incident. The Queensland Police have many officers that can speak languages other than English who work with the communities that exist within Brisbane and Queensland of people from Asia, the Middle East and Europe. These special officers are themselves from the communities and act as translators for much of the force.

 

Australia has had a horrifically racist past, but so has South Africa and the States. It is coming to terms with what it has done and is trying damn hard to correct it's mistakes. At the start of the semester we paid respects to the natives whose land my University is built upon.

 

I felt no 'fear' whilst reading Rudd's speech. When i read it, i didn't see anything that would case a fear of immigrants nor cause racial hatred on a mass scale like the BNP's manifesto. The statement was not aimed at Australian nationals, rather immigrants. It appears to be a plea for them to integrate. An integrated community where people speak a common language and respect each others beliefs is far better than a segregated community. That's what i took Rudd's speech to be trying to achieve.

Edited March 13, 200916 yr by The Fear