a lot of technology currently seen on road cars comes from F1.

 

The new KERS system for example. The car manufacturers that are developing KERS for F1 are already looking into putting it in to road cars.

 

Renault were the first manufacturer to use Turbo's in F1 and look how popular they are. You can't buy a diesel without one!

 

F1 is not pointless stupidity, i would bet on a vast amount of technology in cars would have roots in motorsports

 

Traction Control, Semi-Automatic gear boxes, KERS, Safety Cells and much more

In terms of your point about F1, F1 pioneers safety equipment that is then incorporated into road cars, most of the road car safety equipment and structural stuff that has made road cars stronger and safer has been pioneered in F1 so thanks to F1 tens and thousands of people have survived road car crashes that would have seriously injured or killed them, for example the strengtheing of side impact areas of cars owes itself to F1 so F1 does a lot of good

 

Bollocks... That research would happen with or without Formula 1, I'm simply not convinced by your arguments in favour of it on those terms.... There's NO ONE has a better record than Volvo for incorporating safety equipment to cars and designing cars to withstand high speed collisions.... Last time I looked, I dont think Volvo even had a team at Formula 1.....

 

And you totally missed my point - I was talking about the amount of fuel needlessly wasted when every scientist out there agrees that oil reserves are in decline and we will eventually run out, we should be conserving what's left, if that means effectively calling a halt to Formula 1 for the greater good, well, too bad....

 

And there simply is no justfiction for a third runway at Heathrow when it involves entire communities being destroyed purely for the sake of some supposed gain, which I am rather dubious about anyway, the runways will become rather pointless WHEN (not if...) the fuel runs out.... The likes of you and me will be dead by that time that happens, but it's really not much of a legacy to leave behind for future generations.... It's simply not sustainable to go on using up the planet's resources in the manner that we are, it's not as if we can go out and "terraform" other planets....

Bollocks... That research would happen with or without Formula 1, I'm simply not convinced by your arguments in favour of it on those terms.... There's NO ONE has a better record than Volvo for incorporating safety equipment to cars and designing cars to withstand high speed collisions.... Last time I looked, I dont think Volvo even had a team at Formula 1.....

 

And you totally missed my point - I was talking about the amount of fuel needlessly wasted when every scientist out there agrees that oil reserves are in decline and we will eventually run out, we should be conserving what's left, if that means effectively calling a halt to Formula 1 for the greater good, well, too bad....

 

And there simply is no justfiction for a third runway at Heathrow when it involves entire communities being destroyed purely for the sake of some supposed gain, which I am rather dubious about anyway, the runways will become rather pointless WHEN (not if...) the fuel runs out.... The likes of you and me will be dead by that time that happens, but it's really not much of a legacy to leave behind for future generations.... It's simply not sustainable to go on using up the planet's resources in the manner that we are, it's not as if we can go out and "terraform" other planets....

 

Volvo have a massive history in touring cars mate, Rickard Rydell a multiple champion in touring cars had much of his success in Volvo's

 

Before a car can be launched it has to be given a road worthyness licence and pass crash tests before that car is sanctioned to go ok the market, who is responsible for sanctioning cars for crash tests and roadworthiness before a manufacturer is allowed to sell those cars ? the FIA, and who is in charge of F1 ? you got it, the FIA, read up about the FIA mate and the FIA Foundation and you will see how much impact F1 safety and F1 technology has been introduced into road cars, much of it imposed by the FIA on car manuracturers

 

F1 brings huge benefits to every single motorist that has a car and has probably saved the lives of anyone who has survived a head on or side impact collision in the last 20 years

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Volvo have been involved in other forms of motorsport, and as part of the Ford group who have been active in F1 and most other motorsports they have access to the technology. They have also been linked with Renault. A short lived venture in 94/95 when Renault powered cars were owning F1. I believe Renault still have a stake in Volvo trucks.

 

And on the safety front, Renault are now the worlds safest car manufacturer with 10 of their cars having achieved a full 5 star EuroNCAP safety rating.

 

Renault perform a large amount of crash tests on their own cars. Crashing the Clio into a Scenic etc to study the effects of a little car hitting a big car and so on. They are also developing technology to prevent crashes and further increase the safety of their vehicles.

 

Renault won the First official Grand Prix in 1906, and have been involved in F1 since 1977. As a manufacturer and an engine supplier. They won Back to Back titles from 92-97 with Williams and Benetton [who Renault bought in '00] and as a manufacturer in 05 and 06, and as a direct result RF1 has a research relationship with Boeing.

Volvo have a massive history in touring cars mate, Rickard Rydell a multiple champion in touring cars had much of his success in Volvo's

 

Before a car can be launched it has to be given a road worthyness licence and pass crash tests before that car is sanctioned to go ok the market, who is responsible for sanctioning cars for crash tests and roadworthiness before a manufacturer is allowed to sell those cars ? the FIA, and who is in charge of F1 ? you got it, the FIA, read up about the FIA mate and the FIA Foundation and you will see how much impact F1 safety and F1 technology has been introduced into road cars, much of it imposed by the FIA on car manuracturers

 

F1 brings huge benefits to every single motorist that has a car and has probably saved the lives of anyone who has survived a head on or side impact collision in the last 20 years

I remember Volvo in BTCC when i used to go to Knockhill, they were just amazing, as were Audi and Renault.

 

BTCC isn't what it once was -_- too many Vauxhalls :puke:

Yeah, little "trivialities" such as that.... People losing their homes, losing their communities.... Do you think that the Govt will actually pay the full market value of those homes...? Like fukk....

 

I did hear a rumour that they are talking of paying the value as at the year 2000. Maybe if the economy slumps further though that might actually benefit the homeowners! :lol:

 

Losing their homes / villages is part of the risk of living near an airport particularly the biggest airport in Europe and I believe the 2nd biggest in the world after Chicago O Hare airport in terms of annual passeger numbers, anyone who live near an airport isn't forced to live there they do so through choice, they have a whole country to choose from location wise

 

Surely you don't think it's as simple as that. People have jobs and families; their whole lives are set up in a certain area. Do you really think everyone can just say "Oh well I'll just go and live in the middle of Dartmoor" like that?

Yeah, alright Crazy Chris..... :P

 

Mate, if you weren't so stupid, you'd actually see that the G20 protestors are actually the modern day equivalents of The Levellers, The Chartists or The Suffragettes..... If violence be necessary to bring the likes of Fred Goodwin and the city boys, and those in Govt who sat back and just let it all happen to natural justice, then so be it as far as I'm concerned... I really think that the time for talking is over and the time has come for far more direct action against these people..... Our "democratically" elected officials have had their chances and have proven themselves either too corrupt or too incompetent to deal with these people.... We should put our faith in the likes of Jacqui fukkin' Smith or Broon??????? Are you sh!tting me.....?

 

yeeeeaaasssss..... but this is 2009, not the past, we are supposed to be more civilised now after all...would YOU want society to revert to conditions that lead to the levellers, chartists and suffragettes lived in? :lol:

 

voilence ruins the argument, no one listens to voilant thugs, they respect reason, which is how we got our more enlightened society today.

I'm afraid that I just dont buy the arguments against Climate change.... It IS happening, and we are depleting our natural resources at an alarmingly high rate also... In 50 years time, there will be no oil... So, a third runway at Heathrow is gonna be rather moot if the fukkin' planes cant get in the air..... :rolleyes:

 

So, we just waste whatever oil IS left on pointless stupidity such as Formula 1 which every year probably eats its way through millions of litres of oil, which we should be conserving because Global oil reserves are running out.....

 

There's your "bigger picture" mate....

 

climate is changing...yes, it always has and always will, we SHOULD respect the mother earth and 'her' rescources...true.. but DONT believe for one moment that mans activities are contributing more then 1 iota to climate change.

 

methane from animals, gasses from volcanoes, natural decaying vegetation, all add massively the loins share , but the doom mongers dont tell you that, nor do they take into account marine algal blooms which through photosynthesis lock in carbon dioxide, these 'blooms' occure when carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rises.

 

theres YOUR bigger picture mate! :P

too many Vauxhalls :puke:

 

/me drives a Vauxhall :angry: :P

 

I think all the "oil running out" hysteria is something of a joke. They were saying we only had 50years of oil left when I was at school...almost 30 years ago! Asides from that, I'm sure a new fuels will have been developed by then...and indeed some have. I'm pretty sure we'll still be needed runways for aircraft - unless we've already drowned under the rising seas, of course! :lol:

No Offense likes but my dad recently had an Astra as a hire car and it is Ugly and Uncomfy.

 

I spent 5minutes inside it before i felt like i needed a shower

No Offense likes but my dad recently had an Astra as a hire car and it is Ugly and Uncomfy.

 

I spent 5minutes inside it before i felt like i needed a shower

 

i drove astras for years... great family car. easy to handle, reliable, i only went over to peugeot because it was what was available when i needed a change.

/me drives a Vauxhall :angry: :P

 

I think all the "oil running out" hysteria is something of a joke. They were saying we only had 50years of oil left when I was at school...almost 30 years ago! Asides from that, I'm sure a new fuels will have been developed by then...and indeed some have. I'm pretty sure we'll still be needed runways for aircraft - unless we've already drowned under the rising seas, of course! :lol:

 

absolutely.... oil was supposed to run out by y2k, and the next ice age was 'overdue'.. <_<

 

whatever happened to the disaster that was the hole in the ozone layer? :lol:

 

on to the next eco-envoronmental fad disaster... <_<

i drove astras for years... great family car. easy to handle, reliable, i only went over to peugeot because it was what was available when i needed a change.

 

I used to like Vauxhalls, but recently i've just gone well off them.

 

I'm very much a Renault kinda guy.

 

absolutely.... oil was supposed to run out by y2k, and the next ice age was 'overdue'.. <_<

 

whatever happened to the disaster that was the hole in the ozone layer? :lol:

 

on to the next eco-envoronmental fad disaster... <_<

Australia suffers badly from high skin cancer rates thanks to the lovely thin O-Zone above it.

 

Yeah, little "trivialities" such as that.... People losing their homes, losing their communities.... Do you think that the Govt will actually pay the full market value of those homes...? Like fukk....

 

I'm afraid that I just dont buy the arguments against Climate change.... It IS happening, and we are depleting our natural resources at an alarmingly high rate also... In 50 years time, there will be no oil... So, a third runway at Heathrow is gonna be rather moot if the fukkin' planes cant get in the air..... :rolleyes:

 

There's your "bigger picture" mate....

I agree on the 2nd paragraph, but not the first. I'm sure the goverment DO pay the full market value of homes. I know people who had the M1 built through their farm, and what they got was double the value of the farm, and they still got to keep the land not destroyed (although they'd just sell it since there isn't a house for them :lol:, but still giving them more money). Same goes with roads built in central Ireland.

 

I did hear a rumour that they are talking of paying the value as at the year 2000. Maybe if the economy slumps further though that might actually benefit the homeowners! :lol:

Surely you don't think it's as simple as that. People have jobs and families; their whole lives are set up in a certain area. Do you really think everyone can just say "Oh well I'll just go and live in the middle of Dartmoor" like that?

I seriously doubt that'd happen, our goverment is very liberal in the wrong ways tbh. They pay extra because of social impact of being forced to move, i'm sure.

 

climate is changing...yes, it always has and always will, we SHOULD respect the mother earth and 'her' rescources...true.. but DONT believe for one moment that mans activities are contributing more then 1 iota to climate change.

 

methane from animals, gasses from volcanoes, natural decaying vegetation, all add massively the loins share , but the doom mongers dont tell you that, nor do they take into account marine algal blooms which through photosynthesis lock in carbon dioxide, these 'blooms' occure when carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rises.

 

theres YOUR bigger picture mate! :P

You've just mentioned a negative feedback (algae in the sea which absorb CO2), another is that trees will grow faster when there is more CO2, because of photosynthesis, therefore producing more oxygen and removing CO2. However, what you're ignorning is that there are positive feedback effects too that have a greater effect than the negative feedbacks. For example, ice is far more reflective than rock, meaning that the earth continues to heat even further. In fact, for every 1C of warming we directly cause, another 4C of warming will happen indirectly because of positive feedback (admittedly this is very debatable, but is about the only thing i've written here that really is in the scientific 'world'!).

 

Climate is changing far faster than ever before, the changes you talked about are over hundreds of thousands of years, unless you are talking about a supervolcano, which is, of course, a threat to the human race. The changes here are over decades, something never seen before. The natural processes you talk about add a significant proportion of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, but these things have been roughly constant over millions of years, balancing the climate. However, the CO2 increases have been over less than 2 centuries. This is why it's so dangerous, because we don't have time to adapt. We as in human society.

I used to like Vauxhalls, but recently i've just gone well off them.

 

I'm very much a Renault kinda guy.

 

Australia suffers badly from high skin cancer rates thanks to the lovely thin O-Zone above it.

Yes, but fortunately the ozone layer is being repared naturally because WE aren't damaging it anymore with CFCs. Didn't you ever hear about that, Rob?

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Yes, but fortunately the ozone layer is being repared naturally because WE aren't damaging it anymore with CFCs. Didn't you ever hear about that, Rob?

That's Phil, not Rob. :lol:

BTW, if I was Phil then I can hear that. :teresa:

 

CFCs though are one of the stupidest sprays ever made. <_<

 

And agreed for the last 2 paragraphs above your post. ;)

 

All we need is to plant more trees. :)

But, without CO2, trees will more likely to die or die quicker and no more Oxygen? Maybe. But that takes decades for what I'm saying to happen :D

Either way, you can't deny the increasing rate that global warming is going at. And what are we going to do when all the fossil fuels run out, cause they're not going to last much longer are they? And when they do run out, we'll be fukked, because there isn't one stable solution as of yet of how to replace them.

There's not going to be fights/violence amongst the protesters, maybe with the police (or if something drastic happens, like a bomb) but It won't be that bad.

 

We've actually been told to walk around with Photo ID cards :lol:

 

If you're really that worried about things, go and stay with a mate for 24 hours.... But, frankly, I think you should actually go down and join the protests, at the end of the day, it's your future that's being fought for, not so much mine, Craig's or Rob's, it's you youngsters that'll have to deal with this Govt's mistakes in the long-run.....

 

Hmm true... I know this may be a bit stupid of me, but i havent really 100% understood what they are exactly protesting for, except for the Governments attempts to get rid of the global economy downturn but can someone kindly explain what it is they are protesting for?

 

Also how funny is it that Obama is being kept near one of the most dangerous places in East London :lol:

That's Phil, not Rob. :lol:

But, without CO2, trees will more likely to die or die quicker and no more Oxygen? Maybe. But that takes decades for what I'm saying to happen :D

Lolz epic fail :(

 

It'd take longer than that i reckon when you consider the volume of the earth's atmosphere in comparison to the surface area of it.

 

Why are they protesting about the economy when we're supposedly at the bottom now? The media seem to be getting a bit less gloomy, and recessions ARE doom driven. Since February they've been talking about looking for signs that the worst might be over. Now with mortgages on the rise, but on the other hand unemployment still rising, but at a slower (?) rate than a few months ago.

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Yes, but fortunately the ozone layer is being repared naturally because WE aren't damaging it anymore with CFCs. Didn't you ever hear about that, Rob?

no i didn't hear about that.

 

What i do know is that it is still very thin, and that Aus has the worlds highest skin cancer rates because of it.