Does PIGS stand for anything in particular, except for Portugal, Italy, Greece & Spain? :unsure:

 

That was really disgusting tbh. That really is manslaughter in broad daylight. What was also disgusting was vandalising the RBS bank, although of course it had a motive and wasn't as bad as the manslaughter, but it did involve more barbaric activity. What did that actually ACHIEVE? Except for showing people's anger at the situation? The riots didn't achieve anything apart from giving another thing for the daily mail to moan at/ find another way to get at the bankers/goverment :rolleyes: (not that i'm "siding" with them in any way)

 

Nah, nah, dont worry.... 'Pigs' is just a derogatory term for the Police.... :lol:

 

Actually, it's pretty insulting to pigs really to associate them with London police officers.... :lol:

 

It may not have achieved anything to smash the RBS window per se, but speaking as a customer at RBS and as someone so utterly disgusted by what the board did, I have to confess that it did put a smile on my face, as did the protestors who smashed up Fred Goodwins home in Edinburgh.... That lot think they're above it all, what protesters do in actions like that is to say "you're not above it all, we know who you are, and we know where you live....", so it does have a purpose, and at the end of the day, it's only property, you can replace a window, you cant replace a human being....

 

The Daily Mail...? Well, they're just the same level of scum as the bankers and politicians really aren't they....? I'd really love someone to pump anthrax through their air con system.... :rolleyes: Perhaps we could just give Osama Bin Laden a "get out of jail free" card if he promised ONLY to target the likes of Gordon Brown, Fred the Shred, Max Clifford, Piers Morgan and other assorted Tabloid scum......... :rolleyes:

Oh PLEASE, that's just so typical... Blame people who are merely exercising the right to protest, because of course it was them who hit the guy with a truncheon and pushed him to ground roughly without provocation innit.....? :rolleyes: You dont think that TRAINED POLICE OFFICERS should act with a tad more restraint and self fukkin' control......? The reason they DONT is pretty obvious, people like you and the fukkin' media continually make excuses for them, and the courts just let them off the hook, so it's pretty obvious that a culture has developed within the Met police in which they seem to think that they can act in this manner upon the citizens of London with utter impunity.... <_< <_<

 

The "riots" only happened in one very specific area, there was really nothing going on anywhere else..... $h!t, even Billy Bragg was getting out there and entertaining the crowd, it was all pretty good natured where I was, but I dont criticise the people who attacked RBS or went on the roof of the Bank of England, it's a legit target imo.....

 

The "yobs" only smashed up property, they did NOT physically attack bank employees in any way, shape or form, there was not even an attempt to attack employees at RBS, the building, not people, were targeted.... BIG FUKKIN' DIFFERENCE..... <_<

 

And, well, let's just see who's the most likely to end up being up before the Court on a charge.... I'll bet you tenner right here and now it's the protestors who smashed a couple of windows at the RBS and Fred the Shred's gaff, and not the fukkin' Police who were responsible for that bloke dying who end up going down..... <_<

 

A few windows are somehow more important than a man's life are they....? Great priorities we have in this country..... <_<

 

sorry but i didnt see him being hit with a truncheon, just pushed to the ground...

 

i like the way you quote my obvious levity in order to make an argument... ignoring the rest of my post that largely agrees with you!

 

no of course a life is more important then a few broken windows, but who would have thought that a push would kill an apparently fit and able man! however a crime is a crime, rioting is unacceptable behaviour and everyone who broke the law should be brought to rights.

I think too much has been made of this guys death

 

Yes his death is sad but it was a freak situation that he had a heart problem, the guy was drunk out of his skull which I doubt helped his heart either and there is no evidence that police action actually caused his death, its just an excuse to bash police really, those courageous guys had missiles flying at them all day from yobs yet the first bit of slight heavy handedness from an officer and its blown out of proportion

 

The guy got a truncheon on the back of his legs and a little shove it was hardly a Rodney King style battering

Edited April 8, 200916 yr by B.A Baracus

I think too much has been made of this guys death

 

Yes his death is sad but it was a freak situation that he had a heart problem, the guy was drunk out of his skull which I doubt helped his heart either and there is no evidence that police action actually caused his death, its just an excuse to bash police really, those courageous guys had missiles flying at them all day from yobs yet the first bit of slight heavy handedness from an officer and its blown out of proportion

 

The guy got a truncheon on the back of his legs and a little shove it was hardly a Rodney King style battering

I have just watched what heppened on the news. The bloke was innocently walking home - he was attacked by the Police for no reason, his hands were in his pockets and he had his back to them.

 

After being pushed to the ground, he then had a heart attack and died. Freak sitation aside, why did the Police attack him? An innocent person had a heart problem - should people with heart problems hide from the police in case they get attacked and die?

 

Who said he was drunk, btw?

 

What that Policeman did makes me sick, tbh.

I have just watched what heppened on the news. The bloke was innocently walking home - he was attacked by the Police for no reason, his hands were in his pockets and he had his back to them.

 

After being pushed to the ground, he then had a heart attack and died. Freak sitation aside, why did the Police attack him? An innocent person had a heart problem - should people with heart problems hide from the police in case they get attacked and die?

 

Who said he was drunk, btw?

 

What that Policeman did makes me sick, tbh.

 

 

In the video he seemed totally oblivious to what was going on around him, he just seemed totally out of it, slowely shuffling along like a 95 year old, not responding at all to the police instructions, he seemed drunk or on drugs of some sort as judging from that video he was in another world, he was obstructing police and making not the slightest effort to amend that, the police were moving in to quell a riot, you can tell from that video there was a nasty atmosphere there with rioters shouting and jostling and this guy was just the walking equivalent of driving miss daisy, looking at that video it looks as if the police were giving him instructions to move along and he was ignoring them, what were the police meant to do ?

 

On a Saturday night at chucking out time when the police are breaking up fights or are arresting drunks they use far more force than was used on that guy that died, I have seen dozens of times the police manhandling people on a Saturday night with much more aggression than was used against this guy at the protest yet they haven't died, it was a shame he died but I don't for a moment blame the police

 

And another question, why if he was making his way to somewhere did he enter a riot zone ? the guy is a newspaper seller so he can't say he didn't know about the riots and demonstrations so if he was entering a riot zone to take a short cut like is claimed then he was an idiot

 

The police were doing a very difficult job, until someone has spent a day doing police riot training and seen what is involved and the high pressure situation it is easy for us all to sit behind the comfort of our pc's and play monday morning quarterback and either defend or attack the police (in my case defend unless new evidence comes to light)

 

The pressures that riot police on the ground are under is beyond incredible so in an adrenelin fuelled situation of a real riot the police do not have time to dither and dawdle, he could have been a "ringer", someone used to slow down the police to give the mob more time to attack, the police were not to know that he was a guy walking home from work with a heart condition, he wasn't wearing a t shirt saying "leave me alone I have a dodgy ticker", he was in the police's way in a high pressure situation that is immeasurable, I can see why the adrenelin fuelled riot cops wanted him out of the way and fast, sadly if he could not move out of the way himself it had to be done for him

 

Unless new evidence comes to light in which case I will change my mind my current loyalties in this instance lie with the police, based on what I have seen so far what the police did was a necessary evil that no one at the scene could possibly have predicted would have such tragic consequences

 

If new evidence comes to light such as an attack not shown on that video I wll rip into the police on here but until then I support the police, The police were moving at a fast pace to move in on the rioters and this guy was shuffling along right infront of them

If as is said he was just casually on his way home from work he should have taken another route, he was dilly dallying right in the middle of a riot zone

In the video he seemed totally oblivious to what was going on around him, he just seemed totally out of it, slowely shuffling along like a 95 year old, not responding at all to the police instructions, he seemed drunk or on drugs of some sort as judging from that video he was in another world, he was obstructing police and making not the slightest effort to amend that, the police were moving in to quell a riot, you can tell from that video there was a nasty atmosphere there with rioters shouting and jostling and this guy was just the walking equivalent of driving miss daisy, looking at that video it looks as if the police were giving him instructions to move along and he was ignoring them, what were the police meant to do ?

 

On a Saturday night at chucking out time when the police are breaking up fights or are arresting drunks they use far more force than was used on that guy that died, I have seen dozens of times the police manhandling people on a Saturday night with much more aggression than was used against this guy at the protest yet they haven't died, it was a shame he died but I don't for a moment blame the police

 

And another question, why if he was making his way to somewhere did he enter a riot zone ? the guy is a newspaper seller so he can't say he didn't know about the riots and demonstrations so if he was entering a riot zone to take a short cut like is claimed then he was an idiot

 

The police were doing a very difficult job, until someone has spent a day doing police riot training and seen what is involved and the high pressure situation it is easy for us all to sit behind the comfort of our pc's and play monday morning quarterback and either defend or attack the police (in my case defend unless new evidence comes to light)

 

The pressures that riot police on the ground are under is beyond incredible so in an adrenelin fuelled situation of a real riot the police do not have time to dither and dawdle, he could have been a "ringer", someone used to slow down the police to give the mob more time to attack, the police were not to know that he was a guy walking home from work with a heart condition, he wasn't wearing a t shirt saying "leave me alone I have a dodgy ticker", he was in the police's way in a high pressure situation that is immeasurable, I can see why the adrenelin fuelled riot cops wanted him out of the way and fast, sadly if he could not move out of the way himself it had to be done for him

 

Unless new evidence comes to light in which case I will change my mind my current loyalties in this instance lie with the police, based on what I have seen so far what the police did was a necessary evil that no one at the scene could possibly have predicted would have such tragic consequences

 

If new evidence comes to light such as an attack not shown on that video I wll rip into the police on here but until then I support the police, The police were moving at a fast pace to move in on the rioters and this guy was shuffling along right infront of them

If as is said he was just casually on his way home from work he should have taken another route, he was dilly dallying right in the middle of a riot zone

He did try and take another route - I saw his route on Channel 4 news - he went round the riots, was turned back (by police!) and forced towards the riots. This was when he was attacked.

 

So, he was not drunk then?

He did try and take another route - I saw his route on Channel 4 news - he went round the riots, was turned back (by police!) and forced towards the riots. This was when he was attacked.

 

So, he was not drunk then?

 

His demeanour in the initial video did look like he was drunk in the sense that he just seemed totally out of it and non responsive but given he was a newspaper seller on his way back from work that would rule out that possibility but he just seemed at the time totally out of it, the police seemed to be shouting at him but he was paying no attention

 

The blame for me if the police are to blame is not the officer that shoved him out the way (my understanding is some warnings to the dead man were issued) but to the cordon officers who turned him back towards a riot zone

Hmmm, I guess we will have to wait what the Police Complaints Commission turns up. From what I have seen on the news though, an innocent man was attacked by the very people who are supposed to protect the public <_>

Hmmm, I guess we will have to wait what the Police Complaints Commission turns up. From what I have seen on the news though, an innocent man was attacked by the very people who are supposed to protect the public <_<

 

Yeah it will be interesting to see what the IPCC comes up with in its investigation, Scott is going to tear me a new ass on here in the morning when he reads my posts above but atm I am giving the police the benefit of the doubt until any damning new evidence comes forward

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/busine...g20/7988812.stm - the footage clearly shows the guy walking away from the police, hands in pockets, presenting absolutely no threat to police....

Wtf are they doing that for? :angry:

RE: the dodgy ticker.

 

Somethin i did in law last semester says that the Police are liable for his death even though they didn't know he had a dodgy heart. If i was home right now i'd be able to tell you exactly what it is but all i can remember is that it was in Delict.

 

That having been said, i did scots law, so down your way it may be different.

In the video he seemed totally oblivious to what was going on around him, he just seemed totally out of it, slowely shuffling along like a 95 year old, not responding at all to the police instructions, he seemed drunk or on drugs of some sort as judging from that video he was in another world, he was obstructing police and making not the slightest effort to amend that, the police were moving in to quell a riot, you can tell from that video there was a nasty atmosphere there with rioters shouting and jostling and this guy was just the walking equivalent of driving miss daisy, looking at that video it looks as if the police were giving him instructions to move along and he was ignoring them, what were the police meant to do ?

 

On a Saturday night at chucking out time when the police are breaking up fights or are arresting drunks they use far more force than was used on that guy that died, I have seen dozens of times the police manhandling people on a Saturday night with much more aggression than was used against this guy at the protest yet they haven't died, it was a shame he died but I don't for a moment blame the police

 

And another question, why if he was making his way to somewhere did he enter a riot zone ? the guy is a newspaper seller so he can't say he didn't know about the riots and demonstrations so if he was entering a riot zone to take a short cut like is claimed then he was an idiot

 

The police were doing a very difficult job, until someone has spent a day doing police riot training and seen what is involved and the high pressure situation it is easy for us all to sit behind the comfort of our pc's and play monday morning quarterback and either defend or attack the police (in my case defend unless new evidence comes to light)

 

The pressures that riot police on the ground are under is beyond incredible so in an adrenelin fuelled situation of a real riot the police do not have time to dither and dawdle, he could have been a "ringer", someone used to slow down the police to give the mob more time to attack, the police were not to know that he was a guy walking home from work with a heart condition, he wasn't wearing a t shirt saying "leave me alone I have a dodgy ticker", he was in the police's way in a high pressure situation that is immeasurable, I can see why the adrenelin fuelled riot cops wanted him out of the way and fast, sadly if he could not move out of the way himself it had to be done for him

 

Unless new evidence comes to light in which case I will change my mind my current loyalties in this instance lie with the police, based on what I have seen so far what the police did was a necessary evil that no one at the scene could possibly have predicted would have such tragic consequences

 

If new evidence comes to light such as an attack not shown on that video I wll rip into the police on here but until then I support the police, The police were moving at a fast pace to move in on the rioters and this guy was shuffling along right infront of them

If as is said he was just casually on his way home from work he should have taken another route, he was dilly dallying right in the middle of a riot zone

 

 

New evidence is coming in that the police assaulted the guy not just once, but THREE times before this footage was taken.....

 

Still want to defend the Filth Craig.....? <_<

Wtf are they doing that for? :angry:

 

Because they're a set of Pig b/astards who've been getting away with this sort of sh!t ever since the Miners' Strike..... <_<

 

There have been too many incidents of this nature to just write them off as "one-offs" or "unfortunate incidents".... There have been over a thousand deaths in Police Custody, some very notorious ones such as the schizophrenic guy choked to death by no less than FIVE coppers; also the notorious beating of a woman holding a child at the Battle of the Beanfield in 1985, in which the police just basically went on a rampage of terror against a perfectly peaceful convoy of New Age travellers on their way to Stonehenge to celebrate the pagan midsummer festival (surely as clear a case of religious persecution as what China did to the Falun Gong...)... Read more about it here....http://tash.gn.apc.org/sh_bean.htm

 

There was also a violent police assault on a young protestor at the Anti Nazi League demo in London, the kid died of a fractured skull after being beaten with a truncheon, the police later said "he must've had a weak skull..." <_<

 

So many examples of police brutality in the past 30 years or so, that it would frankly take me about a week to track them all down and post them all up.... But of course apologists like Craig would no doubt make excuses for every single one of them..... -_-

 

If you ask me, it's evidence of a culture that exists within the police to go out there into these situations and just either act as oppressors or agent provocateurs to use deliberate methods to stoke up tensions or goad people into action.... At the very least, the Police are guilty of abusing their authority in so many of these instances, at worst, they're guilty of a lot more, even manslaughter... But the establishment protects them... I've yet to see the CPS prosecute a copper or their higher-ups for gross incompetency, or outrageous police actions which result in the death or serious injury of innocent people..... The Jean Charles De Menezes inquiry was particularly farcical, as it actually prevented the jury from even considering an Unlawful Killing verdict.....

 

The establishment protects the Police in this country and prevents real justice, and they wonder why we despise and distrust them so much.....

 

 

New evidence is coming in that the police assaulted the guy not just once, but THREE times before this footage was taken.....

 

Still want to defend the Filth Craig.....? <_<

 

There is no hard evidence of that though

 

A load of leftie demonstrators who see the police as a capitalist tool of oppression and a bunch of fascists are hardly likely to defend the police and indeed would be doing all they can do discredit the police so a few leftie thugs saying the police bashed him is to me not hard evidence, most of those there that day were there to have a ruck with the old bill

 

If credible CCTV or video evidence comes forward that shows 3 attacks I will change my mind but a bunch of leftie thugs at the riot saying the police attacked him is not evidence to me

A load of leftie demonstrators who see the police as a capitalist tool of oppression and a bunch of fascists

 

There's not exactly no reason for that mate.... <_< The facts are whatever bad blood there may be between police or "lefties" it's been as a result of the actions of the authorities which tries very blatantly to oppress any and all opinion or thought that is Leftist or anti-establishement, whether actually violent or not, the treatment of Greenham Common protestors by the police was disgusting.... And the Brixton Riots happened because of other similar oppressive police actions... Riots are a REACTION to the oppressive machinations of the State and its agents taken by ordinary citizens, who I feel have every right to..... In a Democratic country, the citizens should have the right to dismantle the State appartus when it is clear that it is acting against the interests of those citizens and replace it..... This is TRUE democracy, as opposed to what passes for "democracy" which is merely a vote every four years for an elite of self-serving b'astards who only have their own interests at heart.....

 

And isn't the CCTV evidence of the ONE assault actually enough for you...? FFS man, even Rob thinks it was unacceptable police action just on the strength of that one example alone.....

 

There's not exactly no reason for that mate.... <_< The facts are whatever bad blood there may be between police or "lefties" it's been as a result of the actions of the authorities which tries very blatantly to oppress any and all opinion or thought that is Leftist or anti-establishement, whether actually violent or not, the treatment of Greenham Common protestors by the police was disgusting.... And the Brixton Riots happened because of other similar oppressive police actions... Riots are a REACTION to the oppressive machinations of the State and its agents taken by ordinary citizens, who I feel have every right to..... In a Democratic country, the citizens should have the right to dismantle the State appartus when it is clear that it is acting against the interests of those citizens and replace it..... This is TRUE democracy, as opposed to what passes for "democracy" which is merely a vote every four years for an elite of self-serving b'astards who only have their own interests at heart.....

 

And isn't the CCTV evidence of the ONE assault actually enough for you...? FFS man, even Rob thinks it was unacceptable police action just on the strength of that one example alone.....

 

There will be a full IPCC investigation and as in the case of DeMenezes more than likely an official inquest, I would prefer for all the facts to come out before I start condemning people

 

 

There will be a full IPCC investigation and as in the case of DeMenezes more than likely an official inquest, I would prefer for all the facts to come out before I start condemning people

 

PUH-LEEEEEEEZZZZ, like the family will actually get proper justice... The DeMenezes inquiry was a whitewash, I expect nothing better to result from this one, I repeat, the establishment ALWAYS looks after one of its own, they let Cressida fukkin' Dick and Ian B-Liar off the hook..... :rolleyes:

 

In the video he seemed totally oblivious to what was going on around him, he just seemed totally out of it, slowely shuffling along like a 95 year old, not responding at all to the police instructions, he seemed drunk or on drugs of some sort

 

Interesting you say that mate... A symptom of being on drugs, or a symptom of just having been beaten on the skull with a truncheon...? Fits in the allegations that the filmed assault was by no means the first example of the filth having a go at this guy... The pieces are very much starting to fit together for me..... -_-

FFS man, even Rob thinks it was unacceptable police action just on the strength of that one example alone.....

 

...yeeeeesssss ... but to be fair, can you judge off 1 bit of footage? do we know whether or not this bloke had said something to the police shortly before he was pushed? the truth is...we dont know all the facts.

...yeeeeesssss ... but to be fair, can you judge off 1 bit of footage? do we know whether or not this bloke had said something to the police shortly before he was pushed? the truth is...we dont know all the facts.

 

Just saying something to a copper should NOT be a right for them to shove you about and hit you with a truncheon.... I mean, ffs..... Does that mean that the bloody Nu Labor party's hired goons had the "right" to manhandle that old geezer at a conference a few years back just because he shouted "rubbish" at Jack Straw......? :rolleyes:

 

Besides, I'm very quickly coming to the conclusion that there's a lot more to this incident than what we saw on that footage..... We only see one angle, at one particular time code, witnesses are coming forward and saying that the police were manhandling this guy at several other points, and they were actually preventing him from getting away....

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that this guy took a blow to the head tbh, the way he seems to stagger about "drunkenly" and seemingly kind of out of it could easily be a result of such a blow....

 

Either way, it's totally uncalled for, I dont care if this guy said that the coppers' sisters fukk goats, they should be able to handle a few taunts without resorting to violence, god, they're meant to be trained to be able to cope in such situations without acting out.......