Just to prove that the Indie Chart did reach its nadir during 88...

 

I think this backs up my thinking that the birth of indie as a genre started here. The influx of dance labels and PWL meant that the chart show started to exclude these records from the chart turning it into a genre chart.

 

Anyway here it is...

 

 

10. Erasure - A Little Respect

09. Kylie - Je Ne Sais Pas Pourquoi

08. Yazz - Stand Up For Your Love Rights

07. Kylie - Got to Be Certain

06. New Order - Blue Monday

05. Kylie - The Locomotion

04. Bomb the Bass - Beat Dis

03. S'Express - Theme From S'Express

02. Kylie - I Should Be So Lucky

01. Yazz & The Plastic Population - The Only Way Is Up

 

Normal Indie service to be resumed soon

Wow, after what I just wrote in the "1988" thread...I Should Be So Lucky and then 3 Kylie trash-pop songs :cry: That really is a bad indie chart, more like a pop chart (of course, I realize we're talking about independent labels in this context). Yazz, S Express, Erasure and New Order are OK though, despite New Order merely being a remix (one inferior to the original, but still OK).

 

Edit: On saying that, I just checked out the Indie chart from Christmas 1999 and Cliff Richard's Millennium Prayer was number 1...and the current indie chart number 1 is Chipmunk with Chip Diddy Chip :puke2: :puke2:

Edited March 29, 200916 yr by osker

Wow, after what I just wrote in the "1988" thread...I Should Be So Lucky and then 3 Kylie trash-pop songs :cry: That really is a bad indie chart, more like a pop chart (of course, I realize we're talking about independent labels in this context). Yazz, S Express, Erasure and New Order are OK though, despite New Order merely being a remix (one inferior to the original, but still OK).

 

Edit: On saying that, I just checked out the Indie chart from Christmas 1999 and Cliff Richard's Millennium Prayer was number 1...and the current indie chart number 1 is Chipmunk with Chip Diddy Chip :puke2: :puke2:

 

That is the Independent Label chart I presume which ceased to be any use at all round the turn of the 90s.

i dunno.... im not sure that 'indie' actually IS a 'real' genre, although many are using the label.

 

id argue that its just the latest incarnation of 'mod', born in the 60's and refered to the new r & b guitar based pop groups. that would include glamrock, new wave, 80' indie, britpop, current indie....

i dunno.... im not sure that 'indie' actually IS a 'real' genre, although many are using the label.

 

id argue that its just the latest incarnation of 'mod', born in the 60's and refered to the new r & b guitar based pop groups. that would include glamrock, new wave, 80' indie, britpop, current indie....

 

Britpop was Indie just popular. Indie since about 1989/90 has meant tha same as alternative did in the 80s in the UK. The term alternative is still used in the States. Indie is quite distinct from mod and glam although it took elements from both. As well as elements from New Wave. Everything from stuff like Tortoise and post-rock to the pop stuff like The Kaiser Chiefs can be termed indie.

Edited March 30, 200916 yr by grebo69

Britpop was Indie just popular. Indie since about 1989/90 has meant tha same as alternative did in the 80s in the UK. The term alternative is still used in the States. Indie is quite distinct from mod and glam although it took elements from both. As well as elements from New Wave. Everything from stuff like Tortoise and post-rock to the pop stuff like The Kaiser Chiefs can be termed indie.

 

........ but its all derived from 60's r&b 'mod' groups. id suggest that 'modernist' music IS all the same, just with differing contemporary styles that define its niche in pop music history. it doesnt have to sound like the who. kinks, small faces, yardbirds, stones etc to be 'mod'. taking its original meaning literally , slade, sweet, etc were 'mod' and so on...

 

i sometimes think that the term 'alternative' is used by musical snobs to suggest that their favoured musical style is somewhat superior to other more mainstream acts... it isnt of course, again its a subjective perspective :)

But alternative covers such a wide range of styles. In the 80s there was goth, twee/C86, american guitar rock like REM and The Replacements, the noisy stuff like Big Black and Butthole Surfers, rockabilly and psychobilly, the garage punks etc etc.

But alternative covers such a wide range of styles. In the 80s there was goth, twee/C86, american guitar rock like REM and The Replacements, the noisy stuff like Big Black and Butthole Surfers, rockabilly and psychobilly, the garage punks etc etc.

 

..... which kinda proves that it isnt a real genre in its own right .

It's a genre now! Indie is recognised basically as guitar pop now.

 

I'd agree that alternative was more of an umbrella term.

Edited March 31, 200916 yr by grebo69

It's a genre now! Indie is recognised basically as guitar pop now.

 

I'd agree that alternative was more of an umbrella term.

 

id call it 're-labelled 'mod' ' ...:P lol...

 

i know but who changed its meaning? it was done by stealth by young buggers often whom dont actually know indies origins... and cant see back beyond its conception in the late 70's. truth is, many indie bands do soundalike 60's mod pop groups.

 

i hate genre changing definitions... its shocking how many people now refer to 60's pop groups as 'boybands' <_< ... hell i wouldnt even call busted/mcfly a boyband as they at least compose/play live their own material.... unlike the 4-5 pop puppet balladeer suited 'faces' like westlife etc. putting pop groups in the same generic definition is simply wrong.

It;s the same all over though. Garage to me doesn't mean the current dance genre but it's a bunch of snotty nosed punks playing three chords in an actual garage.

 

TBH I think it's the media who continually change the maenings of these things. Most of the indie terms of the 90s came from the NME/MM after all.

I guess "Indie" back then was code for pop/dance hits... I could only consider one or two of those songs being "indie" songs from back in the day.

Edited April 5, 200916 yr by lolhey

Yeah, the chart show switched things back pretty soon after that...although Erasure were still allowed in and stuff like The KLF which was pretty far from four blokes with guitars. It was all pretty immaterial by the early 90s though as Creation's huge rise meant the chart was always full of guitar drone.