well some of kylie;s older stuff is great and yes some of it wasntthe best,,,,her material from rhythm of love is still been played to this day tracks such as better the devil you know and step back in time,,,likewise i should be so lucky is still beeen played to this day,

 

kylie was the biggestselling act of pwl ,,,,,pete waterman once said she was the making and breaking of saw as they never handled such success before the release of her first album they couldnt keep up with demand atthe time as they didnt exect such big sales

 

 

dontget me wrong they did some great stuff with bananarama to its just i think kylie is there best act ever,,

 

maybe we should agreeto disagree

I (can't believe I'm doing this but I) have to defend Pete Waterman over this.

 

Pete Waterman turned against Michelle McManus after her best mate in the show (was it Rochelle) & her tried successfully to stitch up the then favourite of PopIdol2 - Suzanne Manning, by concocting a story about Suzanne being rude to school children & not signing autographs, etc which made the newspapers.

 

This untrue story successfully undermined Suzanne's popularity with the public & performances on the show & she was eliminated in 5th place.

 

That is why Pete Waterman walked out when she won, because he believed she cheated. It is no coincidence that after she won PI2 Simon Cowell had the same enthusiasm in her career as he did with Steve Brookstein.

Also Pete Waterman was similarly critical of Sarah Harding in PopStars: The Rivals, which now makes perfect sense to any of you who watched E4 Girls Aloud's documentary series.

 

:o I never knew that before. That puts a new light on things.

I always thought Suzanne was one of the better vocalists in Pop Idol 2.

 

Thanks for the info.

yes u agree she had a good enough voice and she seemed very low in confidence,,,again i cant believe i never heard this whole bullying story before today

Link

 

We should be so lucky

 

By Caroline Sullivan

 

Pete Waterman's website has, proudly emblazoned, the tagline: "Desperately sinful, wicked and absolutely unforgettable". Well, arguably the wickedest thing he's done in the last five years was to make his charges One True Voice, the male winners of Popstars: The Rivals, look like forgettable Westlife clones, while their distaff "rivals", Girls Aloud, were allowed a much naughtier image and became hugely successful.

 

The ex-members of One True Voice must be hoping that Waterman's recently announced reunion with 80s songwriting partners Mike Stock and Matt Aitken is less than productive. So will anyone who had trouble navigating the 1980s for the No 1 singles by Rick Astley, Jason Donovan and Kylie (before she was cool) getting in the way.

 

All told, SAW produced 200 infuriatingly bland, cynical Top 40 singles, which came to define 80s pop. Who knows how long they would have carried on, leaving their tinny stamp on the Top 10, had they not run up against a new breed of pop singers in the early 90s who were unwilling to give SAW complete control over their music. In 1991, they did the merciful thing and split up.

 

But while Stock and Aitken disappeared, possibly to compile a megamix of their hits for asbo-lout-deterrence purposes in shopping centres, Waterman hadn't yet finished with the British public. In the late 90s he made a comeback with Steps, imaginatively describing them as "Abba on speed". (NB They weren't. Abba were good.) Latterly, he has been a judge on Popstars: The Rivals and Pop Idol.

 

Now, the threesome have decided we've been missing them for too long, and plan to return with their own reality show - similar in format to Pop Idol, with SAW writing the winner's material.

 

This should be terrible news. It's manifestly unfair to unleash their tinny production values and old-school Svengali approach on some kid who wasn't even born when Jason Donovan was grunting Too Many Broken Hearts.

 

The odd thing is that I can't wait. I genuinely believe it will be good to have them back. It's not just because time has endowed their 20-year-old hits with a nostalgic magic (there can't be a thirtysomething in the country who doesn't bark with joy when I Should Be So Lucky comes on in All Bar One), but because chart-pop is in such a dismal state that it's time to let some old hands sort it out.

 

Wretched Jason Donovan may have been as a singer, but his SAW-written tunes were memorable in a way that he wasn't. By contrast, the Shayne Wards and David Sneddons that now pass for stars are stuck with songs that they themselves probably can't remember five minutes after they record them. If things carry on like this, pop as a thriving, frothy genre will die out. What will the much-admired Pop Justice website write about then? It can't be allowed to happen. Time for Stock, Aitken & Waterman to fix it.

 

 

 

well said they are needed i agree to bring pop back to light again as pop has faded very few peeople are releasing solid pop songs except for the usual long goers like kylie and madoona

 

i ask when are they planning to be back in business,have they signed anyone does anyone her know??

well said they are needed i agree to bring pop back to light again as pop has faded very few peeople are releasing solid pop songs except for the usual long goers like kylie and madoona

 

i ask when are they planning to be back in business,have they signed anyone does anyone her know??

 

Not as far as i know, they're taking their time because they want to get it right.

 

You can get the latest news on the Hit Factory Forum here Link

 

and Pete Waterman's Official Website Link

If their new show is based on POP IDOL :cheer:

 

If it's based on X Factor :puke2: :puke2: