What sickens me is that the police have the audacity to cover up horrific event like these instead of admitting fault.

 

We are supposed to be a developed country with a police force and government that isn't corrupt. But in reality our police force isn't too much better than Zimbabwe's.

 

A full open and honest enquiry is over due into this tragedy.

Hi guys I found this site because I was having this talk on another site not sure if I can mention the name here but anyway it was about hillsbrough while I was looking for facts to post and noted this theard and the post saying this

 

I doubt there's a single football fan in the country who doesn't hold the police responsible for what went down at Hillsborough, it's probably the one thing that all fans, regardless of which team they support, agree on....

 

I am sorry to say you are wrong I am having to deal with guys posting lfc fans killed there own it was drunk fans without tickets that did it all the time they miss the point that in the past at games fans were checked at least 4 times if you were drunk or without a ticket you were sent away something not done that day by the police just another of there cock ups and not sure how you can blame fans like that for the police not closing the tunnel after they opened gate c I have even heard stuff that well you did heysel like that excuses what went down in 1989

 

anyway I just wanted to ask if its ok if I copy the orignal posts articles to post there as more evidence for them

Hi guys I found this site because I was having this talk on another site not sure if I can mention the name here but anyway it was about hillsbrough while I was looking for facts to post and noted this theard and the post saying this

 

I doubt there's a single football fan in the country who doesn't hold the police responsible for what went down at Hillsborough, it's probably the one thing that all fans, regardless of which team they support, agree on....

 

I am sorry to say you are wrong I am having to deal with guys posting lfc fans killed there own it was drunk fans without tickets that did it all the time they miss the point that in the past at games fans were checked at least 4 times if you were drunk or without a ticket you were sent away something not done that day by the police just another of there cock ups and not sure how you can blame fans like that for the police not closing the tunnel after they opened gate c I have even heard stuff that well you did heysel like that excuses what went down in 1989

 

anyway I just wanted to ask if its ok if I copy the orignal posts articles to post there as more evidence for them

 

Well, thankfully no-one here has that view (or at least hasn't posted their feelings if that's the case).

 

I was reading an article about this in the paper the other day and was really shocked at the amount of under 18's that died that day :( Horrifying tragedy :cry:

 

 

anyway I just wanted to ask if its ok if I copy the orignal posts articles to post there as more evidence for them

 

cant see why not, its a public forum so i dont think we could even stop you even if we wanted too!

 

You're fine to go posting the articles on other forums as they're off the internet already, and the more people that actually realise the truth the better! It really is a sad state of affairs with all the evidence around that some people still don't believe that the Hillsborough tragedy was caused by the police...

thanks guys its just I posted something from one guy from another site and he was not that happy

 

lets just hope south yorkshire police grow and backbone and do realise all the files unaltered as the home secretary has asked

Shamefully George Bush and Tony Blair are more likely to admit the war on Iraq was a shame just to secure the oil and that they are war criminals who should be executed than South Yorks police are to come clean. -_-

 

Ain't our country grand :puke:

i read in todays mail (my mothers, not mine! :P ) that they are resleasing all the documents to the public..

This is an excellent post on Hillsborough in response to some ludacris comments made by a host of America's #1 top football show.

 

Steven Cohen, co-host of the World Soccer Daily radio show, has been at it again.

 

While the rest of the world last week was paying tribute to the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough Tragedy, Cohen was complaining on his U.S. radio show that Liverpool fans failed to take responsibility for Hillsborough as well as claiming that if 6,000-8,000 ticketless fans had not shown up, the Hillsborough Disaster would never have happened.

 

The problem is, he’s wrong. Dead wrong.

 

Steven Cohen’s Statements About the Hillsborough Disaster

So what did Cohen say that was so wrong? Here are three statements that Cohen made about the Hillsborough Disaster on his Monday, April 13, 2009 episode of World Soccer Daily (note, you can listen to the entire audio clip at the bottom of this post):

 

 

“People showing up without ticket, hell bent in getting into somewhere where they shouldn’t be going because they don’t have tickets, is the root cause of [the Hillsborough Disaster].”

 

“I’m yet to read anybody write in this weekend’s Sunday papers in England, where they’re all doing big commemorations about the 96, and why we should never forget and how it’s changed the game, nobody discusses the 6-8,000 who showed up without tickets and my argument has always been, if those people don’t show up, this never happens.”

 

“[Hillsborough] is a stadium that week-in week-out, Sheffield Wednesday used without incident.”

World Soccer Daily Playing With Fire

 

Hosted by Steven Cohen and Kenny Hassan, the Los Angeles-based show is broadcast nationwide each weekday on Sirius Satellite Radio and also available as a daily podcast, which is one of the top 10 most popular sports podcasts on iTunes.

 

Without a doubt, Cohen is the voice of soccer in America. Since the launch of his network in May 2002, Cohen has succeeded in growing World Soccer Daily into the must-listen show about soccer in the United States. Coupled with his weekly co-host slot on Fox Soccer Channel’s Fox Football Fone-In show, 46-year-old Cohen has built a sizeable following, many of whom are impressionable fans who are relatively new to the sport and hang on his every word.

 

That’s fine when it’s fun and games, but when Cohen (a Chelsea supporter) spews out misinformation about the Hillsborough Disaster, it’s dangerous. One, because his beliefs about Hillsborough are completely wrong. And two, because by making his beliefs public, he’s giving many newbie soccer fans false information and thereby spreading the wrong information about the cause of the disaster. With such a large audience on radio and television, he has a responsibility to educate listeners on what really happened on April 15, 1989.

 

The Facts About The Hillsborough Tragedy

To dispel his myths, here are the facts:

 

“The immediate cause of the gross overcrowding and hence the disaster was the failure, when gate C was opened, to cut off access to the central pens which were already overfull,” — The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 265.

“Planning apart, however, it should have been clear in the control room where there was a view of the pens and of the crowd at the turnstiles that the tunnel had to be closed. If orders had been given to that effect when gate C was opened, the fans could have been directed to the empty areas of the wings and this disaster could still have been avoided. Failure to give that order was a blunder of the first magnitude,” — The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 231.

 

“I have already found that there was not an abnormally large number of fans without tickets on this occasion. With one or two exceptions, the police witnesses themselves did not subscribe to the ‘conspiracy’ theory (of a large number

of late-arriving ticketless supporters). I am satisfied that the large concentration at Leppings Lane from 2.30 pm to 2.50 pm did not arrive as a result of any concerted plan. There were, I accept, small groups without tickets who were willing to exploit any adventitious chance of getting into the ground. They, together with the minority who had drunk too much, certainly aggravated the problem faced by the police. But that main problem was simply one of large numbers packed into the small area outside the turnstiles,” The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 208.

 

“The police witnesses who most impressed me did not consider the number of ticketless fans to be inordinately large. This accords with two other sources of evidence,” The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 200.

 

“Sheffield Wednesday FC’s own admission count system showed the terrace did not exceed its 10,100 capacity (for the Leppings Lane end). As part of their analysis, the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) counted the number of [Liverpool] supporters entering the ground, including those through the turnstiles, through Gate C and even those who climbed over the turnstiles. They gave three admission figures based on their analysis. Their first figure was 9,267, their ‘best estimate’ was 9,734, and their third figure was a ‘maximum estimate’ of 10,124. The HSE report stated it was unlikely that the terrace exceeded 10,124 and that total admissions were approximately equal to the designated capacity of 10,100 people. Taylor surmised there was no substance to the allegation that ticketless fans caused the Disaster,” The Hillsborough Football Disaster: Context And Consequences, page 17. Also watch video evidence of the fans walking through the turnstiles and walking into the tunnel.

 

The Taylor Report exonerated the Liverpool fans of any culpability. “The main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control,” The Interim Taylor Report, paragraph 278.

 

Leppings Lane stand was deemed unsuitable in 1981 after 38 Spurs fans suffered crush related injuries. Sheffield Wednesday never carried out the work required. In addition to the 1981 incident, crushes also occurred at Hillsborough in 1987 and 1988. In fact Liverpool played Nottingham Forest in the same stage of the tournament one year prior at the same ground where Liverpool fans were crushed. Liverpool filed an official complaint prior to the 1989 FA-Cup semi final to air their concerns about safety.

Cohen was absolutely wrong on his April 13th show regarding the statements he made about the Hillsborough Tragedy. There were not, as he claimed, 6,000-8,000 ticketless fans. Cohen was emphatically wrong when he claimed that Sheffield Wednesday’s Hillsborough Stadium was used week-in week-out without incident. And the reason none of the English newspapers last Sunday discussed the “6-8,000 who showed up without tickets” is because they didn’t exist. The vast majority of English journalists and pundits know better because they’ve taken time to study the facts rather than to believe the lies told by The Sun and the South Yorkshire Police.

 

Sure, there were a very small minority of ticketless fans at the ground. And sure, some of the supporters were drunken (as at any football game or sporting event), but the fact of the matter is that Cohen is living in the 80s with the inaccurate statements he’s spewing out.

 

The Liverpool supporters were a victim of a combination of mistakes by the South Yorkshire Police (for failing to notice that the central pen was overcrowded while the pens to the left and right had room for more spectators, as well as not directing the Liverpool fans who came through the turnstiles away from the central pen), Sheffield Wednesday Football Club (Leppings Lane was ill-suited to admit the 10,100 fans, had too few turnstiles and the club failed to fix those and other issues between 1981-1989 even though they were well aware of them) and the Football Association (for deciding to play the semi-final match at Hillsborough despite previous crushing incidents).

 

Cohen’s History of Blaming Liverpool Fans For Hillsborough

 

Cohen’s comments last week aren’t the first time he’s created controversy on American airwaves regarding Hillsborough. On December 5, 2006, he appeared on the Fox Football Fone-In TV show on the U.S. network Fox Soccer Channel and claimed that Liverpool fans were responsible for Hillsborough. He then apologized on the December 12 episode of Fox Football Fone-In, but the damage was clearly already done.

 

In April, 2007, he again blamed the Liverpool fans for causing the Hillsborough Disaster, this time on his radio show.

 

He may have apologized on Fox Football Fone-In December 12, 2006, but his views haven’t changed one iota — rendering his 2006 apology virtually meaningless.

 

Comparisons to Kelvin MacKenzie

 

Cohen’s misinformed views about what caused the Hillsborough Disaster are similar in context to those of Kelvin MacKenzie.

 

On April 19, 1989, MacKenzie, the former editor of The Sun newspaper published a sensationalized account of what happened at Hillsborough. MacKenzie’s newspaper that day alleged that ticketless and drunken Liverpool F.C. fans were responsible for the disaster, having supposedly tried to fight their way into the stadium by rushing the turnstiles and attacking policemen outside the ground.

 

It’s taken 20 years of education in the United Kingdom to try to get the public to understand what was the real cause of the Hillsborough Disaster.

 

Then in November 2006, just days before Cohen said basically the same thing, MacKenzie again claimed that drunken Liverpool fans caused the disaster.

 

“I’m still reading the same old stuff about who’s responsible. And it’s the police, it’s the stadium, it’s whatever,” said Cohen in the April 13 radio episode. Cohen then inferred that the Liverpool fans don’t take responsibility for their own actions regarding the events that led up to the Hillsborough Tragedy. Despite his December, 2006 apology, he obviously hasn’t changed his controversial beliefs and he continues to appear on the Fox Football Fone-In show week-in week out.

 

It’s fitting that on the April 13 episode of the Fox show, it was co-host Nick Webster who paid tribute to the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough Disaster in a pre-recorded segment at the end of the show. Cohen wasn’t included.

 

Conclusion

Twenty years after the Hillsborough Disaster, we’re still hearing the same old lies about what happened on that fateful day. It’s time for people to educate themselves about what really happened and stand up against those who fabricate misinformation. For our current generation and future generations, we owe it to them and the 96 who died to tell the real truth of what transpired in Sheffield on April 15, 1989.

 

To learn more about what really happened at the Hillsborough Disaster, read the Interim Taylor Report, and visit the Hillsborough Football Disaster and Hillsborough Justice Campaign websites.

 

This is a superb article imo. Rips apart all the conspiracies completely.

 

Exclusive: Hillsborough rescuer tells how police superiors forced her to lie about boy's death

 

Sunday Mirror.co.uk

By Kate Mansey 25/04/2009

 

Kevin died in my arms at 3.55. My police bosses made me lie it was 3.15

Debra Martin

 

A Hillsborough policewoman has become the first officer to admit she was bullied into changing her statement in a huge police cover-up.

 

Special Constable Debra Martin made a statement telling how a Liverpool fan of 15 died in her arms at 3.55pm on the day of the tragedy, which claimed 96 lives.

But officers branded her a “liar” and forced her to change the time in her account to 3.15pm – to hide the fact he could have been saved.

 

Crucially, police have always claimed victims of the disaster died almost instantly in the crush that forced the FA Cup game’s end at 3.06pm.

They used that as the excuse for allowing only one of 45 ambulances on to the pitch to help victims. And the coroner Dr Stefan Popper brought in a “cut-off” point, ruling that all the victims were dead by 3.15pm.

 

But today Debra tells how at least one of the victims – teenager Kevin Williams – was still alive 40 minutes later. She said she gave Kevin mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and remembers how he looked up at her just before he died and murmured the word “Mum”.

 

Debra, 45, is the first member of South Yorkshire Police to go public with her revelations about cover-ups – and her evidence could prove vital in a new inquiry.

Debra Martin

She told the Sunday Mirror: “The whole thing made me feel angry. These families deserve the truth after all these years.”

 

The dental nurse is believed to be among at least 12 officers ordered to change their initial statements.

 

She tells how she had four visits from senior officers who pressurised her into changing her statement. She also got hate mail at work.

 

Debra was in the Leppings Lane End when the crush began on April 15, 1989.

 

“It was bedlam,” she says. “There were injured, dying and dead people everywhere.”

One of those fighting for life was Liverpool fan Kevin Williams. Debra says: “Kevin was struggling to breathe. I gave him CPR (mouth-to-mouth). I’ll never forget his little face looking straight into mine. He uttered the word ‘Mum’ – it was his last and he died in my arms.” Debra became a problem for the police because her account didn’t tally with the official line. And soon a terrifying operation began to silence her.

 

Debra says: “We were all told not to talk to the Press, then a female officer and a man knocked at my door.

“The WPC told me my statement was wrong and she was there to change it as it was inconsistent with what had happened.”

 

Debra was determined not to alter her statement. “But when they came back a second and a third time, they were more insistent,” she says.

“The WPC said, ‘You’re a liar. We don’t even know if you were there. It’s probably all in your imagination’. I couldn’t believe it. Then I began getting hate mail at the police station.

“The final time the WPC hounded me at my house, they were adamant I had to change the time Kevin died. She put a new statement I hadn’t written under my nose – I couldn’t take it any more, so I signed it.” Debra’s revelations come as the Government prepares to make public all official documents relating to the disaster at Liverpool’s FA Cup semi-final with Nottingham Forest.

 

Chief Constable of South Yorkshire Police, Meredydd Hughes, said last week: “If I thought there was a cover-up, I’d already have dealt with it.”

 

But Debra remains distraught at the way families such as Kevin’s were denied the truth. She said: “Every year, the nightmares of what happened that day come back to the families. They have got to be told the truth – only then will those nightmares finally end.”

 

Last night Kevin’s mother Anne, 57, said: “I’ve been screaming for 20 years that my son could have been saved – he wasn’t dead at 3.15pm. The police just covered it all up.”

Hillsborough: Retired police constable claims that Government knew of cover-up

By Mirror.co.uk 26/04/2009

 

A retired police constable who had his statement doctored after Hillsborough has released a letter to the Sunday Mirror proving the Government knew of the cover-up.

 

The statements are in more than 300 boxes of secret Hillsborough files in the hands of South Yorkshire Police.

 

The former PC - who wants to be known only as "John" - said his statement was changed to remove any criticism of the SYP operation that day.

 

Then, a letter sent to him NINE years later reveals the Government knew there was a cover-up and officers' "recollections" were "vetted".

 

Chris Bone, secretary of The Hillsborough Scrutiny - set up by then Home Secretary Jack Straw to analyse the original investigation - wrote: "We wanted to make contact with you because the recollections which you produced seem to have undergone important changes."

^ I think these two articles now anger me on this issue more than ever..... :angry:

 

I seem to remember a slogan from the early 90s during the LA Riots - "No Justice, No Peace"......