Terminator got absolutely SHOCKING ratings this year. Its ratings fell so much from when it premiered last year. It then got moved to the Friday slot cos its ratings were so shockingly bad (after having a good timeslot before). It got killed in the demographic ratings, DVR ratings and everything. They're replacing it with Human Target (or that's their aim imo) and Fringe is has now become their big Sci-Fi show (has got the 9pm timeslot (aka the golden timeslot) on Thursdays).

 

So, bad ratings = bad show in your eyes Rooney....? Rubbish... Did you even watch the show mate....? <_< NO show is gonna do well in the US on a Friday night.... Which is strange, but it happens to be true..... Plenty of people watched T-SCC on Virgin Freeview in the UK when it was on..... I should know, I was one of them..... And sales of the series 1 DVD were pretty good.... Short-sighted stupidity.... Just proves that Americans are a bunch of morons who cant handle a show which comes along and does something a bit different with a long-running film franchise.... I hope someone continues it as a comic book, at least COMIC fans are intelligent enough to be more broad minded about such changes to continuity and so on....

 

FOX are sh!tbags, simple as... They strangled the likes of Firefly at birth and practically made Joss Whedon persona non grata for years .... You can cite Dollhouse, but FOX have been tinkering around with that one as well... Well, I hope FOX are happy with their fukkin' cheap-ass Reality Shows and their ad nauseam repetition of The Simpsons.....

 

So, bad ratings = bad show in your eyes Rooney....? Rubbish... Did you even watch the show mate....? <_< NO show is gonna do well in the US on a Friday night.... Which is strange, but it happens to be true..... Plenty of people watched T-SCC on Virgin Freeview in the UK when it was on..... I should know, I was one of them..... And sales of the series 1 DVD were pretty good.... Short-sighted stupidity.... Just proves that Americans are a bunch of morons who cant handle a show which comes along and does something a bit different with a long-running film franchise.... I hope someone continues it as a comic book, at least COMIC fans are intelligent enough to be more broad minded about such changes to continuity and so on....

 

FOX are sh!tbags, simple as... They strangled the likes of Firefly at birth and practically made Joss Whedon persona non grata for years .... You can cite Dollhouse, but FOX have been tinkering around with that one as well... Well, I hope FOX are happy with their fukkin' cheap-ass Reality Shows and their ad nauseam repetition of The Simpsons.....

 

Yep I watched it. Like the first season, but the 2nd was pretty terrible imo.

 

The show only got moved to Fridays though because it had terrible ratings. It was a sinking ship, every week ratings were falling. If ratings are terrible and not bringing in any advertisement revenue then they're not gonna keep airing the show.

Yep I watched it. Like the first season, but the 2nd was pretty terrible imo.

 

What was "terrible" about it then....? Just too confusing with all the time paradoxes, or did you just not like the fact that it concentrated more on the relationship between Sarah and John and you, like all the other "fans" out there, couldn't handle sh!t not being blown up every five minutes..... :rolleyes: And it was hardly as "terrible" as the second series or the second half of series 3 of your blessed "Heroes" which you and other BJers seem to totally bum on a regular basis even though it is fundamentally, a very poor man's "Watchmen" (as well as rather shamelessly ripping off 'The 4400' in quite a few departments), imo..... -_-

 

Well, I'm sure you'll all just LOVE "Salvation".... No plot and plenty of sh1t being blown up.... Enjoy.... -_-

 

 

What was "terrible" about it then....? Just too confusing with all the time paradoxes, or did you just not like the fact that it concentrated more on the relationship between Sarah and John and you, like all the other "fans" out there, couldn't handle sh!t not being blown up every five minutes..... :rolleyes: And it was hardly as "terrible" as the second series or the second half of series 3 of your blessed "Heroes" which you and other BJers seem to totally bum on a regular basis even though it is fundamentally, a very poor man's "Watchmen" (as well as rather shamelessly ripping off 'The 4400' in quite a few departments), imo..... -_-

 

Well, I'm sure you'll all just LOVE "Salvation".... No plot and plenty of sh1t being blown up.... Enjoy.... -_-

 

To be fair i'm not a massive Terminator fan anyway. Like I said I enjoyed the first season, but the 2nd was just different. Personally I think they should have kept the show as a mid-season replacement. I don't think the concept was big enough to grant a full 20-22 episode order, it would have been better suited to about 8-10 episodes like the first season was. It stretched it too much so too much filler became apparent. The whole reason it got good ratings to start off was basically its downfall in the end. When the show started out it was in the middle of the Writers' strike and FOX put a lot of money behind the show to promote it as it (and Lost) were the only scripted shows that were about that had new episodes. In turn it got very good ratings (which declined quite steeply) and it was granted a 2nd season. T

 

In the end Sarah Connor is really a niche sort of show. It helps a lot if you're into Terminator to watch the show (I know it doesn't fully matter, but it helps) and when put up against other shows that aren't spin-offs off films then it hurts the show a lot.

 

I don't bum Heroes either. I like the show a lot, especially the 1st season which I was a major fan. The 2nd series started off really well and then went to pot and well the less that's said about the entire 3rd series is better really. I've been as critical as anyone of late about Heroes, and it really has had its faults. The difference being between the two shows is that i'm not a huge Terminator fan so as a viewer i'm more likely to watch Heroes than Sarah Connor. Its very rare of me to stop watching a show REGARDLESS of if i'm not keen on the direction the show has taken, because I like to know how things develop and end. However I didn't have this attraction to Sarah Connor Chronicles, which is in the end why I stopped watching it...

To be fair i'm not a massive Terminator fan anyway. Like I said I enjoyed the first season, but the 2nd was just different. Personally I think they should have kept the show as a mid-season replacement. I don't think the concept was big enough to grant a full 20-22 episode order, it would have been better suited to about 8-10 episodes like the first season was. It stretched it too much so too much filler became apparent. The whole reason it got good ratings to start off was basically its downfall in the end. When the show started out it was in the middle of the Writers' strike and FOX put a lot of money behind the show to promote it as it (and Lost) were the only scripted shows that were about that had new episodes. In turn it got very good ratings (which declined quite steeply) and it was granted a 2nd season. T

 

In the end Sarah Connor is really a niche sort of show. It helps a lot if you're into Terminator to watch the show (I know it doesn't fully matter, but it helps) and when put up against other shows that aren't spin-offs off films then it hurts the show a lot.

 

I don't bum Heroes either. I like the show a lot, especially the 1st season which I was a major fan. The 2nd series started off really well and then went to pot and well the less that's said about the entire 3rd series is better really. I've been as critical as anyone of late about Heroes, and it really has had its faults. The difference being between the two shows is that i'm not a huge Terminator fan so as a viewer i'm more likely to watch Heroes than Sarah Connor. Its very rare of me to stop watching a show REGARDLESS of if i'm not keen on the direction the show has taken, because I like to know how things develop and end. However I didn't have this attraction to Sarah Connor Chronicles, which is in the end why I stopped watching it...

 

Well, I would agree that perhaps TSCC would have been better as a 13-episode show tbh... Sometimes I think that shows just make too much work for themselves by doing 22-24 episodes per year, whereas stuff like Dexter, The Shield, Damages, The Wire, The Sopranos and others have all fared far better by doing 12/13 episodes in one year, it just gives the writers more time to come up with the goods and make sure the stories are developed well, Lost seems to be working out better by being around the 14-16 episode mark as well, and Heroes would almost certainly benefit from this also, given just how badly series 3 went in the plotting dept... But, again, is this not the networks' faults for insisting on 22 eps...? TBH, I thought TSCC was going to be one of those shows that were 13 episodes a year, especially seeing as how it took a pretty big break for a good couple of months at the stard of 09..

 

Doing a show these days is a lot of work, much more than it used to be in the 70s and 80s, because shows now take on board a lot of the production values of films, and the average feature film can easily take 18 months to produce... I think that it's overall a good idea for shows to perhaps shrink to 12/13 episodes per year, perhaps it would even lead to less shows being axed after only one or two seasons, and it would give some breathing space to the writers and actors too.... Some shows deserve to be axed because they are just soooooooo p!ss poor in terms of scripts, plots, etc (the remakes of Knight Rider and Bionic Woman were absolutely APPALLING...), but I just dont think that TSCC was in that category of being a "bad" show in those terms.... I think way too often that shows are being cancelled for ridiculous reasons, and perhaps a lot of this can be avoided by shorter seasons.. Shorter seasons would mean a chance for more new shows to be developed and maybe for one or two "failing" ones to pick up a bit by being put elsewhere in the TV year..... The shows that perhaps dont get as good ratings could maybe be put into the Summer schedules...? Just a thought...

Tbh, i think TSCC were lucky that they even got a second season... They were one of the VERY few new programmes of the 07/08 season to get renewed after the whole Writers strike business, and ratings werent even that brilliant to begin with. I think FOX have been quite forgiving in recent years with their new shows, they gave TSCC a second chance and now Dollhouse but obviously in TSCC' case it didnt do well enough to secure a third season, mainly due to FOXs stupid scheduling and i feel that will be the demise of Dollhouse next season.

Anyway the worst that couldve happened is it couldve ended up like Tru Calling :/

I'm in no doubt that Terminator was renewed for a full 22 order season for these 3 reasons:

 

1) The script writing team thought they could do it

2) The initial success of the show

3) The hype leading up to Terminator 4

 

It's a mixture of these 3 reasons imo why it was given a full season order in the first place. There weren't really a lot of new shows about for the 08/09 season because of the writers' strike, and Sarah Connor definitely had potential, but like you say Grimly it should have been suited to either a mid-season replacement or a summer show. It's a niche sort of audience like I said before, and it mainly appeals to fans of Terminator as opposed to your average viewer. And Heroes is getting a shorter episode stint next season as requested by the writers!

If I was to rate Heroes by season I'd say:

 

Season 1 - 9/10

Season 2 - 3/10

Season 3 - 6/10

I'm in no doubt that Terminator was renewed for a full 22 order season for these 3 reasons:

 

1) The script writing team thought they could do it

2) The initial success of the show

3) The hype leading up to Terminator 4

 

It's a mixture of these 3 reasons imo why it was given a full season order in the first place. There weren't really a lot of new shows about for the 08/09 season because of the writers' strike, and Sarah Connor definitely had potential, but like you say Grimly it should have been suited to either a mid-season replacement or a summer show. It's a niche sort of audience like I said before, and it mainly appeals to fans of Terminator as opposed to your average viewer. And Heroes is getting a shorter episode stint next season as requested by the writers!

 

Very telling that tbh... They probably realise that they simply can't sustain a 24-episode season with any real consistency (I think Heroes crapped out in terms of plot vastly more than TSCC did), but at least the makers of Heroes are getting the chance to learn from their mistake.. And, do you not think that the hype surrounding T4 didn't add to the pressure put upon the scriptwriters/producers of the show....? I remember when it was the TSCC started, it was early 08, which would tend to suggest that even without the writers' strike it was only going to be a 13-episode show at most.... I would say it was probably more at FOX's insistance that TSCC increased to a 22-episode season, myself and many friends of mine didn't expect it to return in February when it did...