It wasn't the worst film ever no, but the cinematography wasn't that special at all. It was just incredibly boring in my opinion. That's not even just because it is purely a love story I don't mind them if they're good, it is just a $h!t love story.

Edited November 17, 200915 yr by Ashford.

It wasn't "that bad" for fucks sake. I've never spoken to anybody who saw the film and hated it. Even the guys I've spoken to who were dragged to the cinema to see it ended up quite liking it. The great thing about the film is the mood and the cinematography which is impressive enough to make up for the fact that it's essentially a love story which might not appeal to guys. There's something for most viewers.

 

You forget though Jark, being into Alternative Culture (which is really where Vampire fiction finds their core audience), I LOVE good Vampire fiction and know a hell of a lot about the mythology and historical legends and folk tales from where it all comes from, BECAUSE I'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO READ UP ON IT... And frankly, I dont know ANYONE of my mates or acquaintances who are also interested in Vampire mythology, that rate "Twilight" at all.... And, trust me, I know a LOT of people....

 

Twilight (like The Vampire Diaries, although this is slightly better...) is written for people who know very little about Vampire fiction, myth or the folk tales upon which a lot of this stuff is based.... It's such trashy, wannabe stuff for braindead teenagers, so fukkin' basic. Anne Rice is such a better jumping off point to get people interested in the actual mythology, hell, even the dodgy 50s and 60s Hammer "Dracula" films are better jumping off points (it's what got ME interested..) :lol: .... I have no objections to a good Gothic/Vampiric romance (Buffy and Angel being THE benchmark for modern-day Vampire Gothic tragic romantic popular fiction..) but Twilight just doesn't even come close to matching the likes of Buffy, nor does it come close to matching Dracula/Mina Harker (the first, classic Vampiric "love" story) or Lestat/Louis, or, indeed, "True Blood", a show that I rate very highly...

 

You want to see actual GOOD Vampire films, I suggest you actually watch "Let the Right One In", it pishes on this sort of rubbish, the mood, the atmosphere, the intensity, the 'swimming pool' sequence alone is better than anything on display in fukkin' "Twilight"... Park Chan Wook's very idiosyncratic, very Korean take on the mythos - "Thirst" (which is about a man of faith turned into a "vampire" when an operation goes wrong), is also highly recommended.....

It wasn't "that bad" for fucks sake. I've never spoken to anybody who saw the film and hated it. Even the guys I've spoken to who were dragged to the cinema to see it ended up quite liking it. The great thing about the film is the mood and the cinematography which is impressive enough to make up for the fact that it's essentially a love story which might not appeal to guys. There's something for most viewers.

 

It really was pretty awful LOL. But I did thoroughly enjoy it in a so bad its good sort of way. I'll see anything in theaters though.

Well where we differ Grimly is that I'm not out specifically to see vampire films - that's not why I like the Twilight saga. It's primarily a love story, the supernatural element comes a firm second. True Blood gives me my vamp fiction fix.

 

This forum is so off-putting, honestly. The attitude in here just stinks of mod superiority.

Well where we differ Grimly is that I'm not out specifically to see vampire films - that's not why I like the Twilight saga. It's primarily a love story, the supernatural element comes a firm second. True Blood gives me my vamp fiction fix.

 

This forum is so off-putting, honestly. The attitude in here just stinks of mod superiority.

Now now Jark, the whole point of the Cinema and Movie Forum is to discuss and to say your opinions. We all know that Scott is strongly opinionated and that isnt just shown in the C&M forum but everywhere within BJ. So naturally there will be clashes of opinions but it doesnt mean that one is valued or seemed to be more correct than the other.

But he's saying that the only people who like the Twilight saga are people who aren't educated in or intelligent enough to comprehend 'classic' vampire fiction which is just pure fucking shit. Perhaps we just like Twilight? Perhaps we can appreciate all aspects of the genre or maybe we have no interest in Scott's recommendations and that is not a crime.

Well where we differ Grimly is that I'm not out specifically to see vampire films - that's not why I like the Twilight saga. It's primarily a love story, the supernatural element comes a firm second. True Blood gives me my vamp fiction fix.

 

This forum is so off-putting, honestly. The attitude in here just stinks of mod superiority.

 

And yet again, Jark cant handle a strong opinion.. Even though he's certainly not shy in dishing it out to others himself in other Forums...... You cant stand the heat mate....? I dont hear anyone else whining..... :rolleyes:

Well where we differ Grimly is that I'm not out specifically to see vampire films

 

Err, Twilight kind of IS Vampire Fiction FFS..... :lol:

No, like I already said, it is primarily a romance. The fact that he's a vampire comes second to the fact that they're in love. That's the entire point of the books.

 

The attitude does stink. Nobody complains because this forum only has a tiny handful of regulars, which is because people are afraid to post anything positive about any film which is going to spark another massive (largely-irrelevant) rant from you. There's this horrible attitude of 'post about critically acclaimed films which Grimly approves of or don't post at all because he'll suggest your opinions suck'.

But he's saying that the only people who like the Twilight saga are people who aren't educated in or intelligent enough to comprehend 'classic' vampire fiction which is just pure fucking shit. Perhaps we just like Twilight? Perhaps we can appreciate all aspects of the genre or maybe we have no interest in Scott's recommendations and that is not a crime.

 

SO SORRY for daring to have the opinion that I think that Twilight is dumbed-down trash. Harry Potter isn't the best Fantasy fiction in the world, but, fundamentally it's pretty DECENT despite its flaws, and at least we've had a few pretty good films out of it, particularly the third one and the most recent one.... Twilight has abslutely nothing to recommend it.....

 

There is far, FAR better Vampire fiction out there than FUKKIN' TWILIGHT, which was the whole point of my recommendations, so people can actually check them out before childishly dismissing them out of hand, like you have... At least I actually sat down and WATCHED Twilight before I slagged it off, I did give it a chance....

 

And anyway, clearly you must agree with at least part of what I say, as you watch True Blood.....

No, like I already said, it is primarily a romance. The fact that he's a vampire comes second to the fact that they're in love. That's the entire point of the books.

 

Yes, it's a story about a girl falling in love with a VAMPIRE!!!!!! :rolleyes:

 

Gee, does this mean that Buffy wasn't a show about VAMPIRES then because of the whole Buffy/Angel/Spike lovey-dovey stuff....???? Oh, I guess I just spent 7 years watching "Buffy the Vampire LAYER" then....... :lol: :lol:

 

Vampire Fiction has always, ALWAYS had a Romantic/Erotic element to it, Vampires themselves have always had this metaphor for the awakening of Feminine Sexuality (as well as being seen at the time when Stoker was writing as a metaphor for Syphilis and VD, diseases of the blood..) at the heart of it.... Read your Byron and Stoker sometime Jark..... Vampires have always been about exchanges of "bodily fluids" mate..... How does one become a Vampire in fiction..?? One is bitten (well, PENETRATED really....), almost drained and then feeds off their sire to become a Vampire..... Like I say, exchanges of bodily fluids.... Kind of SEXUAL dont you think... :rolleyes:

Oh, I guess I just spent 7 years watching "Buffy the Vampire LAYER" then....... :lol: :lol:

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You still aren't getting it, probably because you haven't read the books. What's hammered into the reader's mind at every turn is that Bella does not care that Edward is a vampire. It's irrelevant to their love story. I'm repeating myself now though. Until you read it you'll keep insisting that it's a vampire story before a love story, but it isn't. There's no focus on Edward when Bella isn't present. It's about Bella and the two very different boys she's attracted to.

 

Buffy is completely different, it was vampire fiction first and foremost. And I don't get your point about me watching True Blood meaning I must agree with you. Trust me, I don't. I watch True Blood because it's highly intellegent and stylish and funny and the mood of it is incredibly appealling. The Supernatural element isn't why I watch.

Well where we differ Grimly is that I'm not out specifically to see vampire films - that's not why I like the Twilight saga. It's primarily a love story, the supernatural element comes a firm second. True Blood gives me my vamp fiction fix.

 

This forum is so off-putting, honestly. The attitude in here just stinks of mod superiority.

 

so instead of being able to take the fact that other people have other opinons that you do, you just throw it off at them trying to be superior, if grimly isnt allowed to say twilight sucks, you arent allowed to say its good. every where you post stinks of you not being able to take that your opinon isnt what everyone else thinks.

 

maybe if you didnt take scott's posts as personal insults and as his opinons no one would need to argue rather than debate.

You still aren't getting it, probably because you haven't read the books. What's hammered into the reader's mind at every turn is that Bella does not care that Edward is a vampire. It's irrelevant to their love story. I'm repeating myself now though. Until you read it you'll keep insisting that it's a vampire story before a love story, but it isn't. There's no focus on Edward when Bella isn't present. It's about Bella and the two very different boys she's attracted to.

 

Buffy is completely different, it was vampire fiction first and foremost. And I don't get your point about me watching True Blood meaning I must agree with you. Trust me, I don't. I watch True Blood because it's highly intellegent and stylish and funny and the mood of it is incredibly appealling. The Supernatural element isn't why I watch.

 

you basically just described why twilight is a vampire story, she doesnt care he is a vampire, it is irrelevant to their love, not the story, it is relevant to the story that she doesnt care he is a vampire, his vampireness is irrelevant to her, that is what the story is about. otherwise why even write in the story that he is a vampire, why just not have vampires if its irrelevant? might aswell just write a story about a guy and a girl who loved each other.

Sigh. I don't know what I can do to get this into your heads. You don't care anyway Chris, you're just jumping on any old excuse to have a go at me so I won't waste my time.

I read the first book lawlz. It was far too mormon/overtly religious for my tastes. And poorly written.

 

Vampire story or not, it's a really awful series tbh. But simultaneously I can sort of see the appeal for young teenagers / even some older fans (though the 30 year old moms who are TEAM JACOB is a little disturbing tbh). It's cheesy. I even enjoyed the film somewhat despite how bad it was.

 

A lot of of fans admit how cheesy it is as well and aren't going to argue about how artsy it is or well written / well directed. One of my best friends loves it and hates it at the same time, and she generally has a solid taste in literature and film.

 

I dunno what I'm getting at lawlz. I guess I just think arguing over the series is silly when the whole thing is a little LOL to be honest.

Well I absolutley love Twilight, and I also happen to love alot of other Vampire films aswel, this is my personal favourite though, mainly because of the amazing books though.

 

and I can't wait to see New Moon in 3 days!

Guys, seriously, if you think that Twilight is such hot stuff, well, I guess you really need to start reading a bit more.....

 

These are links to FULL texts by the way....

 

John Polidori - "The Vampyre"

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZMsBAAA...;q=&f=false

 

Lord Byron (probably the GREATEST "Romantic" who ever lived...) - "The Giaour"

 

http://readytogoebooks.com/LB-Giaour.htm

 

 

you basically just described why twilight is a vampire story, she doesnt care he is a vampire, it is irrelevant to their love, not the story, it is relevant to the story that she doesnt care he is a vampire, his vampireness is irrelevant to her, that is what the story is about. otherwise why even write in the story that he is a vampire, why just not have vampires if its irrelevant? might aswell just write a story about a guy and a girl who loved each other.

 

Exactly Chris.... Why not have it as just two teenage kids falling in love....? After all, if it's JUST a love story........? Answer - "Vampires = MEGA BUCKS" and bums on seats.... No one is gonna watch some silly film about two kids "finding each other" are they...? Wharrrrah loada sh"t" as the Gran from Catherine Tate would say..... But, hey, make it all "cool and dark and trendy" by having one of them be a Vampire or summat.....KERCHINNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!!! :rolleyes: