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Not quite sure what to say Jay....... I like the string arrangement. The Party Like a Russian bit is catchy - hate the song. Betcha anything the critics love it. Not sure what direction Rob is going here - album sounds like it's going to be very interesting indeed.

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Haha , I couldn't believe it was the lead single to his new album. What was he thinking? Rudebox Mark II??

It may be experimental with a mixture of different sounds. If he's doing well with pre-orders he has a strong initial fan base who'll buy the album without hearing it first. If the album isn't commercial/strong then sales with plummet after the initial week. Rob's sales remain strong because he sells world wide with the exception of some countries such as the US and my estimate would be in the region of 1 -2 million for this album.

 

TT are at a distinct disadvantage as their fan base is primarily the UK with much smaller sales in some European countries. Consequently they will never equal Rob's sales. Not sure what figures were for Rob's last album in the UK, guessing in the region of 700,000. He's also very popular in the German market which adds considerably to his overall sales figures.

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Yeah, Rudebox sold well too despite being universally panned...I would expect HES to do well initially seeing as it's been 5 years since his last original studio album, just surprised he would have chosen such as bizarre song to: 1 - make the album, and: 2 - be its lead single!

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I do think Rob has an interesting take lyrically. His song writing offers some insight into his mind set :) He does take chances, I'll give him that. Does he actually input anything in terms of the score/music? I'm assuming not, but maybe someone can confirm this. I haven't heard any of Rudebox outside of the initial single - I thought many critics liked the album? Rob normally receives good reviews from the music press - in contrast to TT :)

 

Rob seems to have a new lease of life since the TT reunion in 2010 and he's been relentless in terms of self promotion and touring which has kept his profile high.

I think Robbie's lyrical fountain may have dried, cause it's samey-samey lately and, tbh, the lyrics in these 2 new songs are as clever as those in Hey Boy- no, excuse me, worse :)

The arrangement in Party Like A Russian is a bit catchy, but the song goes nowhere, imo.

Glad he finally discovered auto tune, though :P

 

I have no doubt he'll sell well, regardless of what he puts out there - let's face it, his fans aren't gonna fix their hearing all of a sudden :P Bitchy comment ended, I promise :)

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How can you hear auto tune , Milly? I've never been able to tell the difference, although apparently there are signs to look out for. I thought Rob's voice sounded ok - it will be interesting to see how it goes on GN. I think it was recorded last night. I do like the orchestration but unsure what input if any he's had into that side of things. Parts have a bond like feel.

 

Don't shot me but I prefer it to Hey Boy :) I hope the TT lads go for a purer and gentler sound.

How can you hear auto tune , Milly? I've never been able to tell the difference, although apparently there are signs to look out for. I thought Rob's voice sounded ok - it will be interesting to see how it goes on GN. I think it was recorded last night. I do like the orchestration but unsure what input if any he's had into that side of things. Parts have a bond like feel.

 

Don't shot me but I prefer it to Hey Boy :) I hope the TT lads go for a purer and gentler sound.

 

There's an electronic sound on Robbie's voice on this song - Mark's voice usually has it too.

Whatever it is, it hides his shouting, which is good. On that Apple concert, he was beyond awful. His voice is really ruined, he's very lucky for those backing singers of his.

 

I want a pure sound too. That's why I love so much SISYL, cause you can hear Gary's voice so clearly; a singer's instrument is his voice and if he hides it behind a ton de effects, what's the point?!

 

To be honest, I can't really tell which one I hate most - Hey Boy or PLAR. But considering my point of reference, I don't think it makes much of a difference which one wins :)

I'd probably have to compare the instrumental parts on both of them, to be able to make my mind up, cause the lyrics are equally rubbish.

Interesting say, milly as always when it comes to Robbie. Regarding the awful Apple concert even the broadsheets like the Guardian and the Telegraph who are always a bit snobbish gave him 5 stars out of 5. But what do they know? However, they pointed out too, that Robbie does not use autotune.

I am not a great fan of party like a Russian I love the video and the lyrics though. And yes, Robbie is the best selling artist from another country in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and teh Netherlands. TT have many fans in these countries either. But without him, they simply do not appeal anymore which I think is a shame. At least the Circus was a fantastic record.

I think though they are liked more in the UK than him, the are more PC.

Interesting say, milly as always when it comes to Robbie. Regarding the awful Apple concert even the broadsheets like the Guardian and the Telegraph who are always a bit snobbish gave him 5 stars out of 5. But what do they know? However, they pointed out too, that Robbie does not use autotune.

I am not a great fan of party like a Russian I love the video and the lyrics though. And yes, Robbie is the best selling artist from another country in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and teh Netherlands. TT have many fans in these countries either. But without him, they simply do not appeal anymore which I think is a shame. At least the Circus was a fantastic record.

I think though they are liked more in the UK than him, the are more PC.

 

Never said Robbie used auto tune during his Apple concert - on the contrary, I said he sounded awful...precisely because he keeps deluding himself that he can sing.

 

yeah, I know that most of the papers believe the sun shines out of Robbie's...throat. How can they not? A man with the hand in his underwear on stage...gold for papers! But since I made a habit of writing on this forum that most journalists are highly biased imbeciles, I won't start backtracking now :P I like to be consistent :)

 

And yeah, we know: Robbie is loaded with money from all those albums he's selling around the world. If this album is gonna be no 1, he's gonna beat Elvis's record...I guess that makes him better than Elvis, in your eyes?!

I haven't watched any of his Apple concert so may give it a whirl. I'll listen rather than look. It's interesting Elisabeth a while ago I clicked onto Rob's performance of Candy on the X Factor show. I didn't watch it just listened to the audio. Whilst I know it wasn't the best example because he was larking about but the vocals were utterly woeful, staggeringly shocking.

 

I'll listen to the Apple concert impartially but although I don't listen to Rob very much his vocals do seem to have significantly deteriorated in recent years. I honestly think that his charisma and stage persona deflect from his more than questionable vocals.

I haven't watched any of his Apple concert so may give it a whirl. I'll listen rather than look. It's interesting Elisabeth a while ago I clicked onto Rob's performance of Candy on the X Factor show. I didn't watch it just listened to the audio. Whilst I know it wasn't the best example because he was larking about but the vocals were utterly woeful, staggeringly shocking.

 

I'll listen to the Apple concert impartially but although I don't listen to Rob very much his vocals do seem to have significantly deteriorated in recent years. I honestly think that his charisma and stage persona deflect from his more than questionable vocals.

You can skip the first minutes, he's not doing much singing :)

I've only managed to find fan videos so the quality isn't great. Is there an official video doing the rounds? I thought he sounded fine on many of the songs. Some bum notes here and there but Rob's always been inconsistent. In fact his voice sounds better than it has for some time.

 

I'll try and find some quality videos so the sound is clearer. Whilst I play down Rob's voice I do think it's better than Mark or Howard's if I'm absolutely honest :)

There were 2 videos with the full concert, but I can't find them for some reason.

 

I didn't have the patience to look at the whole video, but the bits I saw were more than enough for me :)

 

Robbie is lucky he's got some promo lined up, cause his single is not doing well on iTunes. I think it won't make top 10.

 

PS: The videos have been deleted.

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He will most likely carry out a lot of promo and will end up with a top 30 hit at best, i would believe is pushing the promotion to let people know about the album more than the single.

I agree Pippa. I think acts like Rob and TT are probably now resigned to tanking in the singles chart. They're pinning all their hopes on healthy album sales. It's such a shame that streaming is having such an impact and quality singles aren't getting the recognition they deserve -by the way I'm not including Rob's present single in that last sentence. It seems a strange song to choose for the lead single.

 

Whatever you and I think of Rob Milly he is undoubtedly viewed as one of the foremost performers of his generation, although in my view he has been given an easy ride by the press throughout his career.

I have no idea how TT's next single is gonna perform, but so far, all of their lead singles made it in top 5 on iTunes - even Cry. Robbie hasn't had a single charting well since Candy - from this point of view, TT seem more marketable, cause at least radios still play all of their singles.

 

There's no doubt that he's regarded as a great performer - I may dislike him, but I do realize how many people idolize him. I don't understand why, but I get it that it's a fact and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Well, the video was published this morning and has already more than 4 million views. The song might not do well at itunes, but he tries something unusual, while normally artists stick to what they always do. By the way, Gary had tweeted him his congrats too. Rob has a stadium tour lined up for Europe. Australia and likely South America again, which says it all. Obviously he has not the voice Gary has, which is indeed great, but...he has personality and is not one moment dull and boring. He never was, which is a reason to be succesful as solo star. I guess he will seel 2.5 million plus with the album and that is an achievment like the 77 million he sold already (aside of the ones with TT). No one can dismiss this.

 

Well done Rob - as a performer he's one of the most popular, I don't think any of us would dispute that fact. However, I find him incredibly over bearing and false - sorry but I do. Give me a performer like Gary, understated, musical and at one with the music any day of the week, but I accept I'm in the minority.

 

Having been raised by parents who listened to Ella, Sinatra, and other classical performers (by the way I'm not saying Gary is in their league) I don't consider someone sitting at a piano boring. Watching performers like Billy Joel, for example, is a joy and a cut above someone thrusting his crotch , swearing and gurning their way through a show.

 

Gary is very generous towards Rob - in my opinion far more than he deserves, but ultimately they've made their peace with each other which is lovely to see. That said, Rob was vile, absolutely vile to Gary and gloated at his demise - something I find detestable. I also find Rob's views and comments about women he's had past relationships with unbecoming and coarse for a man of his age.

 

Elisabeth, I don't think you're going to get any compromise from either Milly or myself where Rob's concerned. :)

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